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Topic: Behmor cold fix-again (27 msgs / 483 lines)
1) From: Bernard
I got the fix message from Behmor too, along with the how-to pictures.  
They are just not clear enough to figure out.  The area presumably is 
the recessed area where the fans are.  On the right side there is a nut 
where the flat bladed screw driver is inserted and turned 
(?)........this is a question.  It is impossible for me to get into or 
bend anything around the housing there and so I am back to square one 
with the adjustments I've learned to make.  It would be nice to roast a 
half pound or a one pound on those settings respectively.  Can anyone 
make the "fix" clearer to me?  Bernard Gerrard
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2) From: Ira
At 01:41 PM 8/21/2008, you wrote:
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Weird isn't it? The metal is really thin and it bends down. Turns out 
it's way too easy, but the description and pictures are horrible.
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3) From: Rich
Right side of the sloped piece of tin.  Tip of blade under little nut 
that holds the 40mm fan.  insert, hold in place, twist clockwise GENTLY. 
  You will see the right edge of the tin deflect down.  Only open it up 
about 1/8 inch.  Use a normal 1/4 wide flat blade screw stick
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4) From: Sandy Andina
you and me both, Bernard.
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5) From: Rich
Right side of the sloped piece of metal.  Tip of blade under little nut 
that holds the 40mm fan, bottom right hand corner.  insert, hold in 
place, twist clockwise GENTLY.  You will see the right edge of the tin 
deflect down.  Only open it up about 1/8 inch.  Use a normal 1/4 wide 
flat blade screw stick.
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6) From: Alchemist John
Bernard,
I can probably help.  I will see about dropping you a line off 
list.  Also, just a suggestion.  I have seen now a few people noting 
how the photos and instructions are not clear.  Has anyone bothered 
to tell Joe?  Maybe ask for clarification?  He can only improve it if 
he knows it is lacking.
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7) From: Sandy Andina
Is that the bottom right hand corner of the opening?  I tried and I  
tried and I tried and cannot get the tip of a screwdriver in there.
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8) From: Sandy Andina
Y'know, it'd sure help if the photo showed someone actually sticking  
the screwdriver into the proper spot. I could barely see squat--not  
even with the flashlight held between my teeth.  The blurry photo  
showed a red-circled area, with the screw and nut MUCH closer to the  
opening than is mine.
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9) From: John Mac
John-
It's the fact that Joe can get quite defensive that puts customers( folks
out $300 USD) off.  And, with all due respect, I understand that you and Joe
have a business relationship, so no need for you to get defensive on Joe's
behalf. It's common knowledge that these roaster are not perfect and some
roast better than others. This list exists for people to share information,
which 9 times out of 10, comes with an opinion attached to it.Taking a part
your $300 Behmor and shoving a screwdriver in it and bending metal is way
over the top for most folks like myself.
J-
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10) From: Ira
At 05:01 PM 8/21/2008, you wrote:
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I called, got the picture, called back 5 minutes later and asked if 
they had one that was in focus, the man at the other end sounding 
like I was a bother said, Yea, someone else complained about that but 
most people seem OK with it.  If you've seen the picture you either 
know it's out of focus or you're blind, it's not a little out of 
focus, it's a lot out of focus. Someone trying to do close-ups with 
an auto-focus camera who doesn't understand the problem.
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11) From: Alchemist John
I got Joe to send me a copy.  Yes, I see it is a little less that 
clear.  But I mean that literally.  Just a little less than 
clear.  Not a lot.  OTOH, even with it a bit out of focus, there is 
only one thing the photos can be showing IMO.  But I will admit, it 
is difficult for me to divest myself of my knowledge of the interior 
and workings of the Behmor so it may well be that to others it is not 
what they need.
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12) From: Bonnie Polkinghorn
I took an "after" photo of my mod.
If you are interested, take a look athttp://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/4liPS42_5V4QHZPHJqIdGg-Bonnie
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13) From: Rich
The bolt on my unit is flush with the nut and my bend is about 1/2 of 
yours.  Cut about 4 min off of the start of 1st crack.  Unit Sn 43XX
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14) From: Floyd Lozano
You could always buy the $400 version with the metal pre-bent! ;)
I'll be taking orders...
-F
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15) From: Ira
At 05:47 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote:
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Well, 4 people have now complained about it and you say it's out of 
focus a little, I say out of focus at all is unacceptable. There is 
no reason for it, when I do stuff like this for my business I keep 
taking pictures till I think the're perfect. Sometimes it takes 15 
tries, sometimes 1, bit I can't allow my lack of ability with a 
camera to get in my customers way. The fact that 1 person said 
something means it's probably a problem, the fact that 4 people had a 
problem means it's a bad problem.  He's asking people to stick a 
screwdriver into the area containing the electronics and potential 
high voltage. It didn't even say to unplug the machine before doing it.
Ira
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16) From: Ira
At 08:24 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote:
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Wow, an in focus picture. That's what the instructions should have 
looked like and then I wouldn't have called back to complain.
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17) From: Floyd Lozano
Perhaps those 4 people should contact support for the Behmor to get an
in-focus picture.  If the problem is bad enough, I guess those 4 can
take their $300 that they would have spent on the roaster, save up an
additional $700, and buy two gene cafes, or save up yet another $700
and  buy two hottops so they can roast a lb of coffee at once.  Or a
heat gun and a dog bowl for much cheaper.  And they can roast outside
too where the smoke won't bother anyone.  My opinion is, take it easy.
 It's a good price for what the unit does, the fix is an acceptable
one rather than ship the unit back to the seller for repair (which is
an option if you'd rather, just expect it to take a few weeks as you
would with ANY thing you wanted to ship back to the seller).  The
problem exists in some, but not all roasters, just as you'd expect the
first run of any product to not be perfect, so isn't this.  $300 won't
guarantee you a perfect hamburger, much less a perfect roaster ;)
Agreed, the instructions should have included information like 'unplug
roaster before making modifications'.  It probably should also have
said 'do not perform repairs while standing in front of a jet engine
of a plane preparing for take off' or 'do not perform repairs in
middle of busy intersection'.   That's the world we live in, I guess.
I cannot of course verify, but I'm willing to bet that Joe would take
these roasters and repair them for anyone that wasn't comfortable
making this fix themselves, but again, I won't speak for the man.
I do agree with the point you made about this list being for the
sharing of information.  We definitely should keep it to that.
-F
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18) From: Sandy Andina
Wow. Doesn't look AT ALL like what I see when I remove the back fan  
cover as instructed.  My fan seems to be assembled and situated  
completely differently--may not even be the same fan. (And that's  
after rotating the computer to try to duplicate the perspective).
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19) From: Rich
Floyd, I could not agree with you more.
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20) From: Sandy Andina
Well, unplugging was the first thing I did. DUH.
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21) From: raymanowen
Thanks, Bonnie.
I'm like Mr Magoo without my Hubble corrective lenses. Even so, the
modification was obvious without the root beer mug lenses.
I am reminded of a military invective re: removing a wet substance from a
boot...
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Do you take cheese with your whine?
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22) From: Sandy Andina
Ok, Bonnie, I did mine too, but I think I didn't bend it quite enough-- 
roasted 224 gm. Sumatra Org. Mandheling on the 1/2 lb. setting (P1,A)  
with the time maxed out, and barely made it through first crack, and  
this is a bean that's supposed to go to at least FC if not Vienna.  
(The metal surrounding the opening is exactly the same shade as in  
your photo).
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23) From: Sandy Andina
Also, from what angle are you taking the photo? It still looks like my  
fan may have been installed in a different place.
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24) From: Sandy Andina
Is the camera looking UP from the bottom? Is the bend on the side  
closer to the center of the roaster? Or is it closer to the sidewall?   
On mine, I had to insert the screwdriver horizontally and then down to  
the right to get that bend--on yours it looks like you inserted it  
vertically UP through the hole.
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25) From: Sandy Andina
OK, I realize the perspective in your photo was considerably  
foreshortened (printed it out and took it over to the roaster).  I  
checked my roast, and indeed I simply had not bent the metal enough  
compared to your photo--color looked like City-C+ and the bean munch  
tasted sort of baked.  So I bent the metal a tad more till it looked  
like the photo and reloaded the underroasted beans into the drum and  
used the same setting, this time not adding any time. Nothing seemed  
to be happening until the readout read about "4:40," when it sounded  
like first crack had resumed and then there was a fusillade.  With the  
door closed it sounded like a slightly louder version of second but  
like very rapid first with the door opened.  I took no chances as I  
saw some smoke, and hit "cool." The crackling continued for at least 5  
sec., so I cracked the door to hasten cooling. Beans looked a little  
darker but no oil, so I kept my fingers crossed. Once cooled, they  
looked bigger than they had before, tasted more "done" (tasted and  
crunched like FC-FC+) and there was a little new chaff left in the  
collector. So I did the same thing with that Costa Rica peaberry I'd  
underroasted last week (beans so hard it was difficult to crank the  
Zass Turkish and I actually had sore arm muscles the next day). Had  
about 3 oz. left, so set the roaster for 1/4 lb., no extra time added.  
And just as I predicted, heard a couple of loud snaps at 2:40 left and  
then the rapid-fire started, so I hit "cool" so it wouldn't coast for  
more than 10 sec. or so.   So far, so good.  About to do the other 1/2  
lb. of Sumatra Mandheling (this half-pound will be Classic, not  
Organic, so I'll take it a tad lighter as it's recommended for FC, not  
FC+-Vienna).
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26) From: Bonnie Polkinghorn
Hello Sandy,
I turned the roaster so the back was in the front, so I could take off
that cover.  Then, I just aimed the camera straight in.  It's too late
for me tonight to look again, you too!, but maybe tomorrow I'll take
some more photos.  Oh- I just received your update, so I won't take
any more photos.
I'm glad things are looking better for you.  For me, it's like using a
brand new roaster.  When you do the 1/2 lb Sumatra roast (instead of a
re-roast), I hope you really see an improvement.
Good luck, and good night!
Bonnie
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27) From: Sandy Andina
Absolutely!  Hit first crack at about 2/3 of the way in and began  
second a little later than 3/4 of the way, w/o adding time. It's  
behaving the way it did when it was new!
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