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Topic: Reviews of the Gene Cafe (27 msgs / 820 lines)
1) From: Jeff Holder
I've been noticing various comments from the lists about the Behmor but I am
interested in knowing those of you who are using the Gene Cafe.  Are you
please with the roaster or are you having particular challenges with it.  I
am considering purchasing on in the next week.
Thanks,
Jeff
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2) From: Morris Nelson
I am quite pleased with my roasters.  I have two, one in Minneapolis and
another in Shanghai (220v).
I've roasted both indoors and outdoors so I have a appreciation how the
climate affects the roast and cool down.  The Shanghai one runs in a much
warmer and more humid environment so I need to stop the roasts a bit sooner.
The machines are sensitive to voltage fluctuation.  More noticeable in the
US than china.  My voltage coming into my apartment is 220v with almost no
fluctuation. The US voltage tends to fluctuate a couple of volts from 120v
and I notice it in the charts.
They are easy to operate.  When I am away from one or the other, I let
friends use it.  They love it too and very happy with results. 
Programming is not an issue.  I roast each bean a little differently.
Differences is usually at the end of the roast.  If I had a  programmable,
I'd be manually operating it during the last half.  I would never leave it
unattended either way.
I sometimes wish it roasted a pound rather than half pound but it is not a
deal killer for me.  I make batches as gifts to others.
Good luck on your decision making process.
Morris

3) From: Steve Scigliano
I would second what Morris says as well. I have used a Gene Cafe for 18 months and 
am very pleased with it.Steve
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4) From: Jeff Holder
Morris and Steve,
Thanks for your review.  I actually have used the Hearthware I-Roast for the
past couple of years.  We've just returned to the states from West Africa
and I had to leave my I-Roast there.  Thought I might try to do a upgrade
and wanted to make sure that others had a good experience with the Gene
Cafe.  I think I'll give it a try.
Grateful,
Jeff
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5) From: Coffee
Be sure to read Eddie Dove's review...http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dnwz3r2_148jp5pc5q3It was his review that convinced me to buy the Gene Cafe. I've done 65  
roasts since the beginning of the year and have had great results.
-Peter
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6) From: Jeff Holder
Peter,
Eddie Dove's review was GREAT!  Between it and your positive comments I
believe I'll go ahead and give this one a try.
Thanks,
Jeff
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7) From: Ken Knott
I have no experience with the Behmor other than it's cheaper.
However, I LOVE MY GENE CAFE!!!
I've had it for 7 months and roast twice a week at least.  No issues at all=
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8) From: MIKE GERVAIS
Love my GC
If you decide to cool manually do make sure to place the empty drum
back in the machine then run it through the cooling cycle.  If you run
the cool cycle without the drum in place the hot air will melt a part
of the machine opposite the aluminum orifice.
I live 30 minutes from Tim at Fresh Beans Inc and he repaired mine and
explained what I was doing wrong. In this case, RTFM would have been
the ounce of prevention :-)
BTW: Tim doesn't answer emails, understandably, because home roasters
tend to ask him to guide them through the roasting process.
But he's a great guy and usually available to answer phone calls
during business hours.
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9) From: Raymond Hays
Just my opinion, I have had a Gene Cafe for a year now and am quite pleased=
 with the roasting and results I'm getting.  I have a friend that has use=
d one for a few years and likes it.  I have mine set up in my barn, which=
 has 2x6, insulated walls so the temp. stays much the same.  I run the ex=
haust, that is connected to the large chaft collector, out the window.  I=
 also, some times use a stethoscope to detect cracks.
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From: Jeff Holder 
To: Homeroast
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:12:59 PM
Subject: [Homeroast] Reviews of the Gene Cafe
I've been noticing various comments from the lists about the Behmor but I am
interested in knowing those of you who are using the Gene Cafe.  Are you
please with the roaster or are you having particular challenges with it. =
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am considering purchasing on in the next week.
Thanks,
Jeff
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10) From: Robert Yoder
What is the typical elapsed time of roasts in the Gene Cafe (on average)?
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11) From: MIKE GERVAIS
Uh, I honestly don't know.   I start my countdown at 20 minutes but am
always too focused on stopping the roast to notice. I do a ramped
roast as suggested by a list member here.
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12) From: John and Emma
Jeff,
When I started on this list I was doing research and enquired about the Gene
Café myself. At the time I was using a Poppery II. I heard lots of
positives. I eventually decided on the Behmor over the Gene Café for only
two reasons: 1) the extra money I saved in buying a Behmor went toward
buying more green beans 2) I liked the idea of being able to roast 1lb if
and when I wanted to. I don't want to confuse your decision; I am basically
saying that there are many strengths to the Gene Café and those that use =
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swear by it. Even though I didn't buy one, for the reasons above, I still
believe it would have been a very smart decision if I did.
John H.
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13) From: Steven Van Dyke
Use mine every week since they came out with no problems!
There *is* a slight learning curve right at first due to two things:
* The cracks are harder to hear than with some other roasters.  The 
Gene Cafe is quiet but the sound of the beans sliding / mixing is a 
*lot* like the sound of the cracks so it takes a few tries to 
distinguish the sounds.
* There's the 'lag' from when you hit 'Cool' to when roasting 
actually stops.  This happens with a lot of roasters so it's just 
something you have to learn for each new roaster.
One tip: I like most coffees right around FC+ so I use a flashlight 
to watch the smoke column - when the smoke 'connects' to the chaff 
collector you're hitting second crack.
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14) From: Jeff Holder
Steven,
Thanks for the helpful hints!
Jeff
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15) From: Scott Bukofsky
I roast exclusively with a Gene Cafe - it is a great machine.  I love the
instant adjustability you have with it.  It is easy to vent outside, and
produces fantastic coffee.  Highly recommended.
-Scott
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16) From: Ken Knott
Typically, my roasts take 16 to 20 minutes.  I'm sure it can vary.
Thanks,
Ken
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17) From: Phil Bergman
I've used the Gene Cafe for about 18 months.  It's an excellent roaster.  To
do a good roast, I count on hearing, sight and smell.
The Gene Cafe is very quiet and first and second crack are easy to hear.  I
also use an IR2 and you have to pay keen attention to hear cracks (noisy
machine).  You could easily have a phone conversation while roasting next to
the G.C.
The visibility of the G.C. is also excellent.  It's easy to see the stage of
the roast through the glass drum.
I vent outside with the GC but can smell the roast a bit despite venting.
But, sight and sound are more important to me and with the GC the latter two
are a breeze.
I also love how you can change all settings of the roast "on the fly".
Overall the G.C. is an excellent roaster and I would recommend it.  But, as
you may soon find, drum roasted coffees "taste" different than your IR2.
Not necessarily better or worse, just different.  Sometimes I'll go back to
the IR2 because of the difference.  IR2 seems to give a brighter coffee
whereas the GC is more mellow.
Phil

18) From: Bill Laine
I have been using a Gene Cafe for about 6 months. Before that I used an
I-Roast II for a couple of months.
The Gene Cafe works very well for me. It does good roasts and gives me tools
to experiment and learn. My roasts usually take 16-18 minutes (unless I
forget tto empty the chaff holder. That roast took 7 minutes :-)
The first crack is easy for me to hear. The second is more difficult.
The heater element went out a couple of weeks ago. I called the distributor
and he sent me another element right away. I put it in myself. I had to be
careful but I wasn't over my head disassembling the unit. Support is part of
the package when you buy a product and I am pleased with the Gene Cafe
support.
I am happy with my Gene Cafe and have no desire to upgrade or try another
roaster. If I do move up it would be to a pro-style unit but I don't see
that happening anytime soon.
Bill
New Orleans
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19) From: Morris Nelson
I always start my roast at 20 minutes, but they typically end 16.5 to 19
minutes on my Shanghai roaster.  I finish off the rost at a bit lower temp
when roasting lighter. I'll be running the Mpls roster in Oct to reacquaint
myself to it.
Morris

20) From: Derek Bradford
Just to chime in here with my thoughts...  I used the GC for about a year in
Korea.  Although it did work relatively well, mine broke down once or twice
and required replacement.  It cools too slowly, as others have mentioned,
and you will probably want to cool the beans externally.  But for me, the
biggest problem was the roast characteristics for espresso.  I brew espresso
almost exclusively, and compared with gas roasting, the flavors are flat and
underdeveloped.  In a blend like Liquid Amber there was never any caramel,
and other beans were definitely lacking in flavors that are always present
when I roast over gas.  It's definitely a decent roaster, but depending on
your tastes and experience with other roasters, you may find it lacking.  It
was for me, and is one of the reasons I sold mine.  I would, however, buy
one again if I saw one for a really good price; it's a nice thing to have
lying around.
--Derek
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21) From: Raymond Hays
This great information! Wish they had put it in the instructions.
 
Thanks a bunch,
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From: MIKE GERVAIS 
To: homeroast
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:22:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Reviews of the Gene Cafe
Love my GC
If you decide to cool manually do make sure to place the empty drum
back in the machine then run it through the cooling cycle.  If you run
the cool cycle without the drum in place the hot air will melt a part
of the machine opposite the aluminum orifice.
I live 30 minutes from Tim at Fresh Beans Inc and he repaired mine and
explained what I was doing wrong. In this case, RTFM would have been
the ounce of prevention :-)
BTW: Tim doesn't answer emails, understandably, because home roasters
tend to ask him to guide them through the roasting process.
But he's a great guy and usually available to answer phone calls
during business hours.
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22) From: Raymond Hays
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From: MIKE GERVAIS 
To: homeroast
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:22:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Reviews of the Gene Cafe
Love my GC
If you decide to cool manually do make sure to place the empty drum
back in the machine then run it through the cooling cycle.  If you run
the cool cycle without the drum in place the hot air will melt a part
of the machine opposite the aluminum orifice.
I live 30 minutes from Tim at Fresh Beans Inc and he repaired mine and
explained what I was doing wrong. In this case, RTFM would have been
the ounce of prevention :-)
BTW: Tim doesn't answer emails, understandably, because home roasters
tend to ask him to guide them through the roasting process.
But he's a great guy and usually available to answer phone calls
during business hours.
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23) From: Steve Carlson
I love my GeneCafe.   It is by far my favorite toy in the house.  The
visibility and the control are fanastic, and I get great roasts.  This
morning I had Yemen Mokha Sanaani, and the flavor has been riding with me
all day.  I do it in the garage.
I previously had an iRoast2.  I didn't really like it. It was noisy and
tempermental, and I think there was a problem with the heating unit.  The
top also cracked on me.  I am glad I persisted with roasting and got the
GeneCafe.
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24) From: Bruce Thompson
I received a GeneCafe as a bonus from my boss last year and I have  
only one complaint: I didn't bring it with me to india! I'm on  
assignment in Bangalore for a year and suffering from a lack of good  
coffee. I think I'll be a tea drinker for the year.
Back to the roaster :-) I've run about 30 pounds or so through it and  
haven't really started experimenting yet. I do like the FC+ I get out  
of it and the predictability. Being able to control the temperature  
directly has let me nail in on a profile someone posted and it gives  
me consistently great results. I couldn't be happier.
Cheers,
Bruce.
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25) From: Jeff Holder
Bruce,
Thanks for your review on the GeneCafe.  I made the original inquiry because
I was considering purchasing one.  I'd used the IR2 for a couple of years
and was looking to upgrade.  In light of the many helpful reviews I've
purchased one this week.  It should arrive just after labor day and I can't
wait to give it a whirl.
I would think you ought to be able to get some good green beans in
Bangalore.  What business carries you there?  Though I've never lived there,
I have a couple of friends who have.  I have lived in Africa for the past 18
years and returned to the states at the end of last year.  I was buying some
local beans in West Africa but they weren't so great (poor grade robusta).
I would often blend them with some from SM and it made for a decent cup.
Thanks again for your review.
Blessings,
Jeff
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26) From: Brian Kamnetz
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Jeff Holder  wrote:
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I would imagine that good coffee greens are t here to be had. The
problem may be finding them, without Sweet Maria's to do all the
legwork!
Brian
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27) From: Bruce Thompson
Finding good coffee here has been a struggle so far. We haven't had a  
chance to do a serious search yet, too busy getting settled in the new  
house.
I'm a software engineer with IronPort/Cisco. We have a team in  
Bangalore and we want to inculcate them with IronPort's development  
philosophy/culture/etc. For the last couple of years we've had one or  
two engineers over here continuously. As of today, we've been here for  
exactly three weeks (and what an adventure it was getting here).
I'm in the process of setting up a blog of our adventures, there is a  
bare skeleton there now but in the next few days I'll start filling it  
out. It's athttp://www.otherother.com/blog.Cheers!
Bruce.
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