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1) From: Peter Genuardi
Hi folks -
The discussion about paying for coffee by weight has me wondering how
consistent my brew is to others.
I've been using a scale for the last few months to accurately and
consistently(?) maintain a cofee:water brew ratio each morning in my press
pot and vac pot.
I had been doing something like 1.5 ounces of coffee to 32 ounces of water.
A coffee roaster I spoke with last week suggested I use 2 ounces to 32
ounces of water.
At 1.5 ounces of water, I thought the coffee had a much stronger flavor than
what I was used to, in a good way.
Yes it's a factor of personal taste and yes things like grind and extraction
make a difference.
But, what coffee to water ratio do you use?
 - Peter
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2) From: Benjamin VerHage
I use the blue SCAA scoop from SMs. One scoop per 8oz of H2O.
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Subject: [Homeroast] coffee to water ratio, what's yours?
Hi folks -
The discussion about paying for coffee by weight has me wondering how
consistent my brew is to others.
I've been using a scale for the last few months to accurately and
consistently(?) maintain a cofee:water brew ratio each morning in my press
pot and vac pot.
I had been doing something like 1.5 ounces of coffee to 32 ounces of water.
A coffee roaster I spoke with last week suggested I use 2 ounces to 32
ounces of water.
At 1.5 ounces of water, I thought the coffee had a much stronger flavor than
what I was used to, in a good way.
Yes it's a factor of personal taste and yes things like grind and extraction
make a difference.
But, what coffee to water ratio do you use?
- Peter
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3) From: Sean Cary
ditto...
there are limits to what I will do for consistency, and breaking out a scale
exceeds mine.
YMMV
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Benjamin VerHage 

4) From: Peter Genuardi
That raises a good question, if folks are using a scoop, presumably you're
scooping ground coffee and certainly measuring by volume, not by mass.
Am I just a knucklehead to assume that in these tiny dimensions, mass and
volume will be pretty close?
Here's another stupid question, then.  If you're scooping ground coffee are
you just guessing before putting your beans in the grinder?  Or grinding for
a day or two at once?
 - Peter
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Benjamin VerHage 

5) From: Brian Kamnetz
I brew in a moka pot. I use about 1.75 cups (14 ounces, according to
google) of water in the moka pot, but some water stays in the bottom,
so I think that about 12 ounces actually ends up in my cup. I use 24
grams of coffee, ground quite finely. I used to use 26+ grams of
coffee, but I roast 1/2 pound per week, and at 26+ grams per day my
half a pound of coffee wasn't quite making it through the week.
Brian
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6) From: Coffee
I've settled on 1.7 ounces coffee per 32 ounces of water.
-Peter
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7) From: Jim Anderson
Somewhere on Tom's site he recommends 7.25 grams to 4 oz of water. I rounded
it up to 22 g to 12 oz. I have played with it a bit going over and under and
for us this seems to be the right ratio. Although with the RIP I've added a
few grams.
Jim
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8) From: Bill
Press pot: 30 g for 16 oz waterVac pot: 36 g for 20 oz water
Moka pot: 20 g for unknown quantity of water...
bill
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9) From: Stephen Carey
I go a little stronger and use the SCAA scoop for every 6 oz of 
H20.  Works for me, quite well.
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10) From: Dave
I use about 35 gm (about 1.25 oz) in about 16 - 18 oz water with my
Aeropress.
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11) From: Jim De Hoog
I use a 7gm scoop of whole beans per 6 ozs. of H2O.
Jim "Ice Bucket Roaster"
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Subject: [Homeroast] coffee to water ratio, what's yours?
Hi folks -
The discussion about paying for coffee by weight has me wondering how
consistent my brew is to others.
I've been using a scale for the last few months to accurately and
consistently(?) maintain a cofee:water brew ratio each morning in my press
pot and vac pot.
I had been doing something like 1.5 ounces of coffee to 32 ounces of water.
A coffee roaster I spoke with last week suggested I use 2 ounces to 32
ounces of water.
At 1.5 ounces of water, I thought the coffee had a much stronger flavor than
what I was used to, in a good way.
Yes it's a factor of personal taste and yes things like grind and extraction
make a difference.
But, what coffee to water ratio do you use?
- Peter
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12) From: John and Emma
Do all of you actually weigh your coffee every time? I use a SCAA scoop and
use 7 scoops for 8 cups of water. Is this too little? I didn't find any
difference between using 7 scoops or 8 scoops. So why not save on the
coffee?
John H.

13) From: Benjamin VerHage
I started with one scoop per 8oz, then switched to 1 scoop per 6oz. I then switched back to 8oz...seems right to me. To each his own!
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] coffee to water ratio, what's yours?
I go a little stronger and use the SCAA scoop for every 6 oz of 
H20.  Works for me, quite well.
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14) From: Darliene Stanhope
I use 21-27gm per 12 to 14 ounces of water.  I do weigh my coffee beans
prior to grinding so that I can get a consistent cup of coffee.
Darliene
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Benjamin VerHage 

15) From: Rich Adams
55 grams coffee to 1 liter water is SCAA's.
Seems I'm on the strong side....
I weigh out 65 grams coffee to 700 ml water (2.29 ounces to 23.66 fl oz) 
using a Cona Jr, grinding @ #1 on a Mazzer (factory marked @ #9).  Very 
happy (IOW, tastes good to the wife and I) with that ratio using all my 
coffee brewing methods.
Rich Adams
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16) From: Larry Williams
I use the measure that came with my Melitta pour through.  I use 10 
level scoops (~65 gms of Kona beans) with 7 cups (8 oz ea) of water.    
I never weigh the coffee - except for this time.
Larry
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17) From: Bill Goodman
I use 2 level tbsp. coffee per 12 oz. water for FP.  In ounces by 
weight, that works out to about 2 per 32 oz. water.  In ounces by 
volume, that's more like 2.7 per 32 oz. water.
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18) From: miKe mcKoffee
Indeed what tastes good to you is what counts. Since my "rule of thumb" is
8gr to 5oz, for 32oz water I'd use 51.2gr or
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19) From: raymanowen
I'm inclined to do a Steinway right now, but I'm almost asleep as it is. A
couple of sips and I'd be out of it, so wait til morning.
I thought the coffee/ water ratio was expressed as grams of coffee per oz
H2O. For the 16oz Steinway, I grind 25g of coffee beans and brew for 3 - 4
minutes. I maintain the brew temperature by soaking the filter basket in a
pot of boiling water before and during the brew.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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20) From: Justin Marquez
I usually weigh the coffee before grinding. The morning pot-o-Joe is
typically "9 Cups" as measured on the side of the brewer which is about 50
oz water and about 61 gr of beans. which is about 3/4 cup measure of
unground beans.
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21) From: Seth Grandeau
I do weigh the beans for each pot of coffee.  It doesn't take much time and
it aids consistency.  For drip coffee, I was doing 7 grams coffee to 4 oz
water (my coffee maker is marked in 4 oz "cups"), then I read on-line a
recommendation of 1.5 grams per oz of water, so I switched to 6 grams per 4
oz "cup".  I have not noticed a significant difference in taste, so I'm
sticking with the lower amount.
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22) From: james McDougal
Interesting discussion, thanks. How much does the coffee in a SCAA scoop
weigh? And do you measure before or after grinding?
Since I'm a novice, I looked up Tom's ratio for cupping  and use that - 7.25
g per 150ml (5oz) water.
I just compared same coffee (Brazil Cerrado roasted 5 days ago), same
grind and same proportions in French Press and small Mr Coffee. No
comparison - I think I'll toss the Mr Coffee ;-)
Jim
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23) From: Eric Faust
The SCAA standard is 7.25 grams for every four ounces of water. Coffee is a
solid, not a liquid, so it is important to use a measurement that is meant
for solids like grams. I use this as a bench marck and then explore from
there based on my own personal taste.
Eric
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24) From: Jason Brooks
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My ratios vary depending on device.  For a 32 oz FP, I use 44 grams of
coffee, measured pre-grind.  For a Chemex, I had to up it to 60 grams for a
32 oz brew.  It works out for the FP to be just under 1.375g/oz and 11g per
8 oz cup.  The Chemex is 1.875g/oz or 15g per 8 oz cup.
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25) From: Paul Helbert
Three blue SCAA scoops beans before grinding with water to the four cup mark
on my Cory gives me two mugs. One for me and one for Dad. Consistency? No
thanks. This morning's YergaCheffe was excellent. Next cup will be another
adventure.
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26) From: Dave
My scale lives on the counter right by my coffee, grinder etc. I weigh each
time because it's convenien, accurate, and consistent.
When I'm on the road I have make do by measuring volume of beans. It usually
takes me a cup or two to get it right.
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27) From: Bill
Scale is in a drawer right by the electric kettle, grinder, and then stove.
 Every day it comes out, measures my coffee, then goes away.  I use the top
of my grinder hopper inverted to hold the beans.
Easier for me to remember mass than volume.  Is that odd?  Plus I'm a nerd
that way.
bill
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28) From: Brian Kamnetz
I have a handy little Salter scale, 8-oz max, that is lightweight and
easy to store and handle. I keep my scale handy in a drawer near my
counter and it is very easy for me to weigh 24 grams of coffee beans
before grinding. I use the same moka pot every day, use the same
amount of water and coffee, so the process has fallen into a fixed
routine. I don't think it would be easier or significantly quicker for
me to measure in any way other than weighing.
Brian
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29) From: Justin Marquez
The blue scoop is equal to 1/8 cup or 2 tablespoons, if I recall
correctly. I have mislaid my SCAA Blue Scoop and use a 1/8 cup measure
instead right now.
My 1/8 cup measure typically weighs out between 9 and 11 grams per scoop
depending on the coffee, the roast level and how "level" you get it. I don't
level it as such, just scoop it and shake off the mounded unground coffee.
There is a little mounding left when I do so.
The same scoop filled with GREEN coffee is about 20 grams.
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30) From: Gary Foster
I don't weigh my beans, but I use 5 standard SCAA scoops of beans per 40 oz
pot in the Newco OCS (10 "listed" cups, 5 actual Amurican-style cups).
Sometimes depending on the particular bean or blend I'm doing I'll up it to
6 scoops, mainly if it's light in the body department.
In the AP I use 2 AP scoops (I think that's 4 SCAA scoops) to make one cup
so it's quite a bit more "expensive" in the coffee department, but the
quality is superb.
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31) From: Gary Foster
I measure pregrind volume... 5 SCAA scoops of beans go in the grinder for my
"10 cups" (is that 4 oz or 5 oz per cup?) of coffee.  I've checked it
multiple times and 1 scoop of beans into the grinder = 1 scoop of grounds
out of the grinder (or close enough to not really matter much).
I do *not* pregrind my coffee except if I am taking some in to work, gifting
it or travelling.
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32) From: John and Emma
In order to get 7 scoops of ground coffee it takes 6 scoops of full beans on
my Virtuoso with the grind set to 29. So yes I measure by ground coffee.
Knowing how much full beans it takes to get the right amount of ground beans
only took me a couple of tries. I only grind right before brewing. I never
let my ground coffee sit more 1 or 2 minutes.
John H

33) From: John Haley
I use 6.5 to 7 SCAA scoops (total 42g to 45g) per 30oz water for Bodum
presspot. Brew for 4 minutes then place whatever doesn't go immediately into
a cup into a 24oz thermal flask. This strength works for both my coffee
drinking friends and myself.
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34) From: Captain CowPie
I also use about 2 of the AP scoops for my cup of coffee. I don't  
really measure, since the top of the black connector on my Super Jolly  
is about that amount. It ends up being a lot of coffee, but with the  
AP and a polyester filter I haven't had a better cup outside of  
espresso.
Vince
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35) From: sci
1.8 grams beans per 1.0 oz water. (yields 24 cups per pound)
I used to measure by scale until I discovered a better method: my hand.
A "fist-full-o'-beans" turns out to be 18 grams every time. [You'll need to
weigh your fist-full] I use a briki that holds 10oz of water, so no
guesswork there. I usually make AP, FP, or Drip (manual) from this 10oz of
water and my "fist-full" that I grind each time.
When I do other brew methods or quantities, I keep close to the ratio,
except MokaPot , which is pretty much determined by the pot
(and 'Nam press, also fixed somewhat).
If I diverge from the ratio, my guideline is to use more coffee, not less,
because I can dilute, but not concentrate.
Ivan
Coffee Animal
BTW: drinking Ethiopian Golocha DP; FC. Apricots galore, maybe peachy.
Downright delicious.
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36) From: Bill
Ivan,
have had a buddy around a fair amount this summer.  He's got a bachelor's in
organic chem.  I figured that my anal-retentive desire for measurements
would be right up his alley.  wrong.  He measures out coffee for his FP with
his hand (not accurately like you), and steeps the coffee however long feels
right.  Sometimes he gets absorbed in a paper article...whoops!  Oftentimes,
his taste response is, "oh, this is overextracted and bitter" ha ha ha.
He tells me that in most of his chem labs, they were happy to get back 50%
of what they put in.  After all, as he says, he wasn't into "analytical
chem."
bill
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