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Topic: Ibrik arrived (19 msgs / 598 lines)
1) From: Brian Kamnetz
My new ibrik arrived. I got one of the glazed ibriks... and it is
gorgeous! It appears to be hand painted as well as hand hammered. I
think I may put this one in my glass cupboard and get a hand-hammered
copper ibrik for actual use.
Brian
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2) From: Bob Brashear
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Mine is due to arrive on Tuesday. Got the 12 oz glazed. My father is 
excited. We both remember being on a cruise boat on the Nile back in 
1984, having cup upon cup of Turkish/Arabic coffee. I'm gonna roast a 
Yemen Sana'ani this Friday. Hope to be drinking on Wednesday.
Bob
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3) From: Brian Kamnetz
Bob,
I am VERY impressed with my ibrik (8-oz). It has the charming
irregularities of a hand-made item. The copper on the outside has been
worked some to enhance the glazing, and the glazing is absolutely
gorgeous. As good as Tom is at photography, his photos do not do the
ibriks justice. The copper colors in the pictures are patterns worked
in the copper. Also, as Tom notes on the ibrik pagehttp://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.brewers.ibrik.shtmlthe inside tinning covers completely, unlike many ibriks I have seen
in the past.
I hope you will share your impression when your ibrik arrives, and let
us know how your Turkish coffee made with the Sana'ani turns out.
Brian
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4) From: Bill
Brian, you are incredibly unhelpful!  I am a bit embarrassed by the amount
of money I've spent in the last 6 months on brewers.  I was perfectly happy
with my French Press.  Then I got a vac pot.  And a chemex.  Latest was a
moka pot (which might very well be my fav, only 2 weeks in, too early to
tell).  Now I've got Ibrik envy.  You know, 18 months ago I didn't even know
what an ibrik was!  how sad am I??  Yeah, I'll probably have a copper one
put in my next order!!
Let's see that CSA pledge...
bill
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5) From: miKe mcKoffee
Ah yes the perpetual coffee paraphernalia acquisitions slippery slope,
compounded with quality upgraditis. Less than a year home roasting upgraded
from many years old very worn out Braun burr grinder buying 3 grinders
before number 4 finally getting a Rocky. That's buying 4 grinders in less
than a year leading to Rocky and then adding Zass' Turkish for travel and
later Mazzer SJ. Already had FP and drip brewers, retired first pot of the
morning convenience brewer drip for Bodum Electric Vac'. (No longer use
Bodum Elec' Vac after 4 of 'em sprang leaks over the years from the heater
plate deteriorating the plastic wall, now Americano first cup of the morning
norm' via Bricoletta on timer) Added more FP's making it 6 at home, my two
"coolest" brewers Royal Versailles 14kg plated Balance Brewer and Costa Rica
peasant Choreador (coffee sock), SS Moka Pot, and of course Copper Ibrik
from SM a number of years ago which I've still not used! Miss Silva had
joined our household 6 or 7 years ago and it was really all down(up) hill!
Missy later supplanted by rotary Fiorenzato Bricoletta and augmented by
Missy's older sister Audrey for travel. Roasters? Frankie controlled 1 then
2 then 3 Café Rostos ruled the roost for years. IR1 joined the crowd but
never compared thr Frankie Rosto combo. An FR briefly stayed with us before
I passed him on to Charlie. A few Poppery 1's found 2nd hand, some passed on
one or two still hanging around lanquishing ignored. Last summer a couple
months sojourn with an early Behmor before one then two Computer Controlled
HotTops jumped on board, but they weren't strictly for "home roasting" and
followed by USRC 3k.
Life challenges (3 buyouts, a dozen round of layoffs etc.) led me further
down the slippery slope then ever dreamed taking my obsession passion
professional. =
Never ever attend a PNW Gathering. (Or if you do have deep pockets:-) Once
you experience how espresso can make coffee sing there's no escape...more
than once served someone an Americano which elicited things like "this cup
of coffee has me re-thinking getting into espresso." Especially coffees like
Esmeralda Gesha, when done right IMO Americano is the deepest, richest,
smoothest, sweetest, most complex dance on the palate "cup of coffee". And
man oh man can coffees like Esmeralda be a fantastic straight shot! (Of
course it takes a great shot to make a great Americano, duh.) =
Time for dinner so I'll quit rambling....
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6) From: Brian Kamnetz
I can relate, Bill. The worst part is, I often buy this stuff and,
unlike you, I don't ever use it. I bought a Gaggia Coffee from Tom's
sale page a year or two ago and have never plugged it in, because I'm
not sure how to clean it and never seem to have a good opportunity to
spend the time on it.... Same thing with a vac pot I bought about 4 or
even more years ago.
Ibriks are lots of fun. They make a relatively small amount, and take
a lot of fiddling around to keep the heat where you want it. I like to
stick a thermometer in mine and try to keep the temps under (it's been
a while and I forget) I think around 175 or maybe 185. If it boils,
it's a sink shot.
Brian
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7) From: Bill
MiKe, you're not helpin me much!!!  Yeah, I already noticed these strong
tendencies by being a member of the list.  I'm an outdoorsman as well, one
of my favorite stores is Cabela's, which is 100 miles east of here.  I
always figure it costs me $100/hour to go there.  It costs older,
better-heeled friends more like $300/hour.  Being on this list is kinda like
that...
not that I'm complaining.  Or unsubscribing.  I could be losing my money at
poker!
bill
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8) From: Joseph Robertson
Thanks for rambling miKe. Have you considered poetry or better yet a book on
the path to Koffee Nirvana. I want the first signed copy. Or at least a
chance to bid on it.
JoeR
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9) From: sci
Bill,
Nice collection, but don't stop until you get an AP.
You won't be disappointed and the thing cleans up very easy, about as easy
as cleaning a drip.
Though it travels well and is probably unbreakable, I'm looking to buy
another to keep at the office.
Ivan
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:09:22 -0600
From: Bill 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Ibrik arrived
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Brian, you are incredibly unhelpful!  I am a bit embarrassed by the amount
of money I've spent in the last 6 months on brewers.  I was perfectly happy
with my French Press.  Then I got a vac pot.  And a chemex.  Latest was a
moka pot (which might very well be my fav, only 2 weeks in, too early to
tell).  Now I've got Ibrik envy.  You know, 18 months ago I didn't even know
what an ibrik was!  how sad am I??  Yeah, I'll probably have a copper one
put in my next order!!
Let's see that CSA pledge...
bill
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10) From: Brian Kamnetz
Ivan,
I hope Bill doesn't mind that I pipe up on his behalf. Here is a past
email from Bill:
I use mine for travelling, but after reading the Coffee Geek thread (about
1600 posts!) I realize that it's a pretty legit everyday brewer, too.  I
really like the other methods of brewing like FP and am discovering vac
pots, but the AP is a nice brewer, too.  You might want to check the CG
thread for about a week's interesting reading...
bill in wyo
So, a sure sign that you have MANY brewing options (notice that I did
not say TOO MANY!) is when you list them and inadvertently leave out a
favorite!
Brian
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11) From: Bill
Good point, Brian!  Yep, as soon as I read Ivan's post I knew it was worse
than I realized because I forgot one... ooops!bill
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12) From: Barry Luterman
No problem I've been known to do that with one or more of my kids.
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13) From: Kurt Kroon
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:03:16 -0700, "miKe mcKoffee" 
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Compared to my
* Whirly-blade, Hamilton Beach (I think)
* Hand-crank (unfortunately, it's one of the "decorative box-type mills"
mentioned on the site)
On my list:
* A Zassenhaus knee mill
* A Zassenhaus Turkish mill (only if the knee mill can't grind fine enough
-- does anyone know if this is the case?)
And eventually
* Rocky or Mazzer ... haven't done enough research to decide which one would
best suit my needs
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Good to know ... though the electric vac pots were never seriously on my
list.  Cona is also off my list, for different reasons: it's the most
handsome vac pot I've seen (my opinion, of course), but WAAAAAAY too
expensive for us and our miniscule budget.
That said, I prefer the angular Yama 5-cup over the 8-cup (which just seems
bland) ... but it probably won't make enough coffee for both of us.
On my list:
* Yama (8-cup)
Eventually:
* the tabletop burner upgrade
* an adjustable-height bunsen burner stand that can be purchased for a song
at many chemical-supply companies
Down the road (say, after I win the lottery):
* Cona "D" in gold, for company
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Wow, Mike ... and my S.O. thought I was obsessed with coffee making gadgets.
We have (ordered by date of purchase)
* Hamilton Beach Brew Station (auto drip)
* a French Press (Bonjour Maximus with FlavorLock -- a feature we use
because it's there, but never rely on ... the coffee never stays in the FP
long enough for it to become an issue)
* a well-loved, but too-infrequently-used, ibrik (which S.O. bought)
* several Melitta pour-overs (including a couple "Ready-Set-Joes" received
as gifts)
* a couple Vietnamese filters (now, what did I do with that sweetened
condensed milk? and should I roast some Nicaragua Nueva Esperanza from the
stash ...?)
* a Keurig single-cup (with the My Cup "upgrade" so I can use my own coffee,
of course), and
* an AeroPress
One of the pour-overs and the AP are at work ... and aren't likely to come
home anytime soon.
You've got a capable -- nay, perfect -- grinder for it, so please do try the
ibrik. You're obviously well-endowed ... with FPs ... so the sediment in the
cup shouldn't be a problem.
We don't have a grinder that can grind finely enough, so we make-do: buy
preground (we patronize reputable purveyors) and add cardamom to help mask
any staleness. (That, and I actually *like* the taste of cardamom in my
coffee ...)
When we can finally afford the Zassenhaus, we'll probably try it without, to
see if we prefer it that way. (Probably not, I do like the ... oh, I already
said that.)
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No home espresso machines for me, not even a Moka Pot -- S.O. won't accept
anything other than stainless.
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* A stainless Bialetti Moka Pot
* Andreja Premium
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Only the Poppery II for me.
On the list:
* A drum roaster (haven't decided among the choices)
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One of the reasons I'm staying away from from the lovely espresso machines
... for now. (See above.)
In my defense, I may order an espresso drink only every other week or so.
That way, I'll be able to entertain a visit from the Andreja-fairy before
too long.
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Esmeralda Gesha is way out of my league, price- and taste-wise. (Since I'm a
poor CA State worker ...)
I'll graciously demur to those on this list who have a more refined palate
than me ... and more money, too.
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Thanks, miKe for all the great information.
Kurtis
Coffee Novitiate
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14) From: raymanowen
I think the actual construction starts with a deep drawn tin cup, cold
rolled to simulate hammering, prep pickling with weak acetic acid, copper
plating and polishing. Could go directly to hand painting after the copper
plating or an additional pickling step again after polishing.
Paint doesn't adhere well to a polished surface, but the polished copper
makes a neat border. The painting and polishing would have to be sequential
operations, and could not overlap.
If the hand detailing on two of the ibriks is the same, they probably came
from the same mass production process. Or the ibrik makers use a hammer- and
paint-by-number stencil at the start.
The basic pattern could be screened and petal details hand painted. Paint on
paint works OK.
The specific heat of various materials shows that Zinc and Copper are nearly
identical, while Tin is lower by a factor of two. Tin is usually plated by
hot dipping the substrate in Tin, just like a Dairy Queen chocolate dip
cone, whereas Copper is nearly always electroplated.
The Copper that was randomly deposited inside the Tin Ibrik was stray
electroplating, and could have been removed easily by polishing the tin can
interior with Bon Ami.
Of all the useful malleable metals, Tin has the lowest specific heat. From
Iron to Titanium to Magnesium, the specific heats are 2X to 5X as high as
Tin, so I'd recommend to Keep Fishing for a "lining" metal.
Due to a Tin - Copper intermetallic compound at the interface, fretting and
delamination of the Tin occurs. Fretting corrosion behavior of tin plated
copper alloy contacts in the temperature range of 25–185 °C has been
studied,
and I happily plagiarize them.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Can your Grinder do a good Ibrik grind?
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15) From: raymanowen
I read slowly: "Royal Versailles 14kg plated Balance Brewer..."
Holy ** - a 30 pound coffee pot?!!  Tilt Brewer! -ro
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16) From: Paul Helbert
Interesting but it's going to take me another cup or two to figure what, if
anything, fretting corrosion of electrical contacts has to do with the
tin/copper (immovable) plated interface of an ibrik. My fancy new painted
one won't get here for at least a week (sorry to see Sweet Maria's dropped
USPS off the shipping deal. (UPS does not serve my location well.)) My
everyday ibrik is brass, with an obviously dipped, lining.
Remove fretting corrosion with Martin Guitar Polish.
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17) From: Bill
Paul, you use an ibrik everyday?  How bout a report?  Is it your morning cup
or later in the day?  wanna talk about technique or flavors?thanks
bill
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18) From: Paul Helbert
No, no, no. My usual morning cup is from a Cory vacuum pot or a Chemex pour
filter. The little dented brass ibrik mentioned is my "everyday" one as
opposed to my "Sunday best", which will be the fancy pants enamel painted
one from Sweet Maria's when it arrives.
My experience is limited to a few dozen brews and always later in the day
than first cup. I have not yet used sugar, as is common in Greek, Turkish &
Arabic speaking areas. I have used it on the electric stove, a butane
camping stove as well as on a charcoal fire. In all cases the aim is to keep
the temperature low and to watch it so that it foams up but does not
overflow. There is a moment in the process when it can go off like a geyser.
Don't get distracted. Watch it as it starts to rise up in the neck and
remove it from the heat instantly. (You don't want to know how I know this.)
Llet it settle a few seconds and then decant slowly into your demitasse cups
to leave the grounds behind.
I have never had the kind of foam which I have read about which covers the
coffee in the cup. I presume such foam comes with the addition of sugar. I
find Turkish (or Greek or Arabic) coffee to be mellow and sweet without the
use of sugar.
2008/8/30 Bill 
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19) From: Brian Kamnetz
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Kurt Kroon  wrote:
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There have been reports of Zassenhaus grinders that grind
inconsistently. It seems in general that the finer the grind, the more
consistently Zassenhaus grinders grind. A Zassenhaus grinder that is
working properly is very capable of grinding fine enough for espresso,
Turkish coffee, etc.
There was a time, a couple years ago, when the Zassenhaus company
seemed to be in trouble. They apparently put out some defective
grinders, then they disappeared altogether for a while. I haven't
heard much about the grinders that have been produced since production
resumed.
Another option is to try to find a hand grinder on eBay. Zassenhaus
grinders usually go for quite a lot of money on eBay. An alternative
is Trosser grinders (sometimes mis-listed as "Trusser" - the umlaut
sometimes makes the "o" look like a "u") which can sometimes be had
for quite reasonable prices. Follow them for a while and get used to
what Trosser grinders in varying condition typically sell for. I would
suggest reading the descriptions carefully, and looking at the
pictures closely, waiting for a grinder that appears to be unused,
then bidding on it and seeing what happens. After a few months of this
you will quite likely have a Trosser in very good condition
Brian
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