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Topic: La P is down! (14 msgs / 385 lines)
1) From: Kris McN
I went to turn on La P last night night to make a couple of cap's - I had
some lovely Panama Carmen Estate WP Decaf calling my name - and nothing
happened.  Literally.  Pushed the rocker switch, no light, no pump, no gauge
movement, nothing.  The outlet is hot, so it's not a fuse.  I poked around
for a bit looking for something loose, nothing.  My husband poked around a
bit more and couldn't find a problem.  I'm at a loss.  You all may recall I
have a used La Pavoni PUB S like Ed's (http://www.homeroaster.com/setup2.html). It's been up and running daily for
the last two months.  Pulls shots and steams milk like a dream, a dream of
delicious espresso.  It's still plumbed out in the garage, so my morning
routine is a bit ridiculous, but none the less... Fortunately, I have many
other methods to make coffee, so I'm not dry or anything that horrible, but
I'm very sad and don't know what to do next.  Nothing compares to a DP
Koratie Americano first thing in the morning.  I'm going to poke around
again tonight once I get the kids to bed.  Any suggestions?  Ed, any
insights?  And I was just starting to make decent latte art!
Best,
Kris McN
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2) From: Andy Thomas
Kris, It sounds like it might be in internal fuse, or the power switch. I=
f you have a multimeter, maybe you can narrow down the possibilities by tes=
ting the wiring inside the machine. =
----- Original Message ----
From: Kris McN 
To: homeroast 
Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 4:05:48 PM
Subject: [Homeroast] La P is down!
I went to turn on La P last night night to make a couple of cap's - I had
some lovely Panama Carmen Estate WP Decaf calling my name - and nothing
happened.  Literally.  Pushed the rocker switch, no light, no pump, no =
gauge
movement, nothing.  The outlet is hot, so it's not a fuse.  I poked aro=
und
for a bit looking for something loose, nothing.  My husband poked around a
bit more and couldn't find a problem.  I'm at a loss.  You all may reca=
ll I
have a used La Pavoni PUB S like Ed's http://www.homeroaster.com/setup2.ht=ml).  =
It's been up and running daily for
the last two months.  Pulls shots and steams milk like a dream, a dream of
delicious espresso.  It's still plumbed out in the garage, so my morning
routine is a bit ridiculous, but none the less... Fortunately, I have many
other methods to make coffee, so I'm not dry or anything that horrible, but
I'm very sad and don't know what to do next.  Nothing compares to a DP
Koratie Americano first thing in the morning.  I'm going to poke around
again tonight once I get the kids to bed.  Any suggestions?  Ed, any
insights?  And I was just starting to make decent latte art!
Best,
Kris McN
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3) From: Ed Needham
I'd check the microswitch here...see the black thing?http://www.homeroaster.com/grouptop.jpgand make sure it's not stuck or broken.  That's the switch that activates 
the pump.
It sounds like your boiler is heating up since the plug is warm.
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4) From: Ed Needham
I re-read your post and now wonder if maybe there's a burned connection in 
the ceramic power strip up near the top right of the machine where all the 
wires come together...http://www.homeroaster.com/rtside.jpgI guess the next thing...shudder...could be something burned out on the 
circuit board.  If so, you could possibly fix it yourself with a Radio Shack 
replacement part and a soldering iron.  If not, 1st Line probably sells a 
replacement.http://www.1st-line.com/*********************
Ed Needham
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5) From: Kris McN
Thanks, guys.  I was just checking my email before I take another look
tonight.  When I said that the outlet was hot indicating that it wasn't a
blown fuse, I meant the wall outlet and a wall panel circuit breaker (I was
unclear with my terminology before) - that's not it.  That was my first
thought because it's completely dead, like it's not getting any power - the
boiler's not heating, nothing.  It's seems like it might be an internal
fuse, but there's nothing I can identify as such. I reseated the connectors
in the power strip - I've had a loose one before -  and none of them look
bad (they're pretty simple connections).  I'm going to pull the rocker
switch tomorrow and replace it, see if it's bad.
Thanks again,
Kris
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Ed Needham  wrote:
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6) From: Bob Hazen
Kris,
I'm confused.  Are you saying that the wall outlet >and< the breaker in the 
service panel are hot?  The breaker didn't trip though?  That might mean 
you're pulling lots of current, but not enough to trip the breaker.  It 
could be your machine or the wiring in the house.
You mention "power strip."  Is your machine plugged into a power strip like 
one would use with a computer?  If so, that might be your problem.  Your 
espresso machine might be too much for the strip.  Lots of them are pretty 
flimsy designs.
We need more info.  I (and probably other folks) are guessing here....
Be careful.  Electric power isn't something to mess with.
Bob

7) From: Amy Bailey
It sounds like when she says "hot", she means "live", as in working.  As in,
the outlet supplies power just fine.  It's not overheated.
            ---Amy
On 9/4/08, Bob Hazen  wrote:
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8) From: Kris McN
Yeah, sorry everyone.  What I mean is, I know the machine is getting power,
but nothing is working.  It's plugged directly into a newly wired outlet, no
intermediates.  It has a single rocker switch that turns it on.  Usually,
when "on", the rocker switch lights up, the two pressure gauges register
(one is the pressure in the boiler, the other shows the grouphead pressure
when pulling a shot), the boiler heats up, and then when I engage the
magnetic accuator switch, the pump comes on and water flows out the group.
None of that is happening.  It's completely dead.  The "ceramic power strip"
that Ed mentioned is the receptacle where all the connections are made
between everything like the pump and the switch (one wire coming in from the
pump/another wire coming in from the switch, etc. The connector ends are a
lot like those that go into phone jacks).  It probably has name, I just
don't know it.  I could post some pictures later beyond Ed's if anyone
thinks that would help.
Thanks for thinking about it.
Kris
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9) From: Andy Thomas
Hey, Kris, If you have a multimeter you can test the rocker switch without =
having to replace it. Set the meter on the ohm setting, and with the machin=
e UNPLUGGED, touch the leads to the two connections on the switch. As you t=
urn the switch to on and off positions the needle will move from one side o=
f the dial to the other -- or if it is digital it will read 0 (no resistanc=
e) and infinity (total resistance). If the reading doesn't change when you =
rock the switch, the switch is fried. A continuity tester will work too -- =
a light will go on and off as you rock the switch. Make sure you unplug the=
 power cord before testing.
----- Original Message ----
From: Kris McN 
To: homeroast; Ed Needham 
Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:32:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] La P is down!
Thanks, guys.  I was just checking my email before I take another look
tonight.  When I said that the outlet was hot indicating that it wasn't a
blown fuse, I meant the wall outlet and a wall panel circuit breaker (I was
unclear with my terminology before) - that's not it.  That was my first
thought because it's completely dead, like it's not getting any power - the
boiler's not heating, nothing.  It's seems like it might be an internal
fuse, but there's nothing I can identify as such. I reseated the connectors
in the power strip - I've had a loose one before -  and none of them look
bad (they're pretty simple connections).  I'm going to pull the rocker
switch tomorrow and replace it, see if it's bad.
Thanks again,
Kris
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10) From: Ira
At 11:56 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote:
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Hot to anyone who works as an electrician means that you'll get 
shocked if you stick a screwdriver in the outlet, i.e., the power is 
on.  It has nothing to do with temperature.
It took me a while to figure out why the answers seemed to have 
nothing to do with the question.
Ira
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11) From: Ed Needham
Maybe it's because we are not electricians.
In my case, I answered and pressed the send button,,,then...re-read and 
realized she meant hot, as in live.  Oh well.  Little to no harm done.
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12) From: Dave
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You and me both, Ira;-)--
Dave
Some days...
It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
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13) From: Kris McN
The rocker switch is the problem.  Tested it with the multimeter and
*nothing*.  I've ordered a new one.  Thanks for everyone's input!  I guess
the moka pot will be getting a workout this weekend.
Kris McN
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14) From: Ed Needham
That is a cheap fix.
$10 was about what I paid including shipping.
Way to go!  Now you know your machine better than you did before!
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