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Topic: Koratie - - - DP or WP? (12 msgs / 259 lines)
1) From: Seth Grandeau
Tom rated the WP koratie higher than the DP (94 vs. 92), but the emails seem
to indicate that people like the dry process better.  I still don't think
I've nailed the roast on either, but I have had one DP roast that I thought
was very good.
I just wanted to check with the crowd and see which one people prefer.
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2) From: miKe mcKoffee
Do you prefer apples or oranges? 
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3) From: Seth Grandeau
Oranges.
But, since this is the same bean, only differing with the processing, I
think the question is perfectly reasonable to ask.
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4) From: Paul Helbert
I bought the WP because SM is out of Yerga Cheffe and Tom's notes seem to
indicate that this iaclosest. I have only a pound of the old Yerga Cheffe
left and it is one of my favorites at just a minute after end of first crack
in the Behmor.
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5) From: Paul Helbert
that this is closest
And it hasn't come yet, thanks to UPS sorry service cost to cost.
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6) From: miKe mcKoffee
Fair enough.
First the numbers are best used relative to a same/similar type coffee
including processing method. DP versus WP makes it apples and oranges even
though the same coffee. When new I used to think a higher total number meant
better coffee. I learned better is relative and taste preferences come into
play. The numbers are for attribute categories and quality of the attribute
not how it tastes per se'.
Ok preferences.
(Usually) WP for a first cup of the morning coffee, DP for an evening coffee
but sometimes reversed. (Americanos)
Either for a 'different' straight shot, macchiato or cappuccino depending on
the mood.
Neither for a balanced shot but both can be great as an element of a dynamic
balanced espresso blend.
I prefer apples and oranges equally depending on the apple and the orange
and the mood.
The 'why' it seems many prefer the DP over the WP is likely because WP's
tend to be more extreme and good WP acidity coupled with lighter body too
entirely uncharacteristic of previous coffee experiences. I remember my
reaction to my first WP Yirg' roasts years ago, what is this flowery citrus
tea! I love 'em today.
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7) From: Alchemist John
Is it Monday or Tueday? ;)
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8) From: Kris McN
Hey Seth,
Ok, all the usual caveats (blah, blah, personal preference, blee, bling,
YMMV, etc.).  Of course, they're both excellent, but I prefer the DP.  I'm
glad I tried the WP, but I'm not going to scratch something else off the
list to get more of it.  I will order 5 (or maybe 10) more lbs. of the DP so
I have it through the long winter.  The WP politely shakes your hand in
greeting before sitting down to chat, while the DP grabs you buy the collar
and gets right up in your grill, then starts making out with you.  The smell
of the WP grounds didn't make my husband look up from across the room and
ask, "What bean is that?!", the DP did.  The DP is heady stuff.  What can I
say?  I'm a sucker for the floral/fruited yellers.
Best,
Kris
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9) From: Bill
Wow, Kris!  And I was worried that the discussion of "what type of girl is
the WP? The DP?" was a bit sexist.  Maybe not...
But I would agree.  First time I've had the "fills the kitchen with aroma"
experience with a coffee bean was with the DP.  And man what a great fruited
berry cup of coffee.
Don't get me wrong.  The WP is great too.  I am going to roast 1/2 lb
batches of both tomorrow.  both are phenomonal.
OK, let's talk about this scoring thing for a minute...  I have read a
critique of the cuppers scoring forms that they implicitly favor centrals
over more "extreme" coffee.  Don't know if that's true or not, but a WP
would be more mainstream in that understanding.
Look at the numbers of the individual scores from Tom.  They're all really
close.  every score is under .5 difference between the 2 except one:
acidity/brightness.  The 2 coffees trade off in predictable ways until
acidity.  Then the WP is .9 points higher.  Throw in that Tom gave 1 more
point in a "cuppers correction" to the WP, and that explains the 2 points.
Now, if we're talking about buys.  It totally depends what you like.  I like
both Yirgs and Harars.  But I really love the DP Koratie.  Wow.  I'll
probably buy 5 lbs of the DP and leave the 2.5 lbs of WP that I have in my
cooler to continue to drink that...
curious what others think...
bill
oh yeah, IMHO, YMMV, etc
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10) From: Gary Foster
I bought 7 lbs of the WP and 12 of the DP.  I love them both, but both
my wife and I prefer the DP.  As a matter of fact, she got quite
cranky the other day when I roasted something else instead.  I
completely agree with the opinion about the DP being much more
aggressive (in a good way).  The WP is elegant and refined and very
very smooth.  The DP is more like a wild fling.
-- Gary F.
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11) From: sci
Tough call. Both are incredible.
I vote for DP. It dazzles my palate more.
But it could be due to less than best roast on the WP.
Now, I'm not voting the opposite of what I really think so my true favorite
won't sell out as fast.
:-]
Ivan
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Tom rated the WP koratie higher than the DP (94 vs. 92), but the emails seem
to indicate that people like the dry process better.  I still don't think
I've nailed the roast on either, but I have had one DP roast that I thought
was very good.
I just wanted to check with the crowd and see which one people prefer.
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12) From: Bill
roasted 1/2 lb of both the DP and the WP today.  I'm so excited.  In 2.5
more days, I get to enjoy berries and citrus at my discretion!!!  Woo!!!
Hey, just to let the list know, I was amazed at the way the WP took heat
faster than the DP.  That really surprised me.  But I was about 10F higher
at most points of the roast.
These were back-to-back roasts, the BM was cooled to the same point each
time (both BM and ET were roughly the same at beginning of roast).  But the
WP took heat faster.
Anyone want to explain a why???
bill
ps did I mention that I'm looking forward to drinking these delicious
ethiopians this week?
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