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Topic: espresso in Italy? (9 msgs / 316 lines)
1) From: Benjamin VerHage
Hey everyone,
After a stop in London and Paris, my girlfriend and I are going to Pordenon=
e & Venice in northern Italy. She was accepted to a silent film festival th=
ere so we decided to make a trip out of it. Of course when you think of esp=
resso you think of Italy, so I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions =
or recommendations as far as espresso or cafes in that area (or in London=
 or Paris as well).
Ben
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2) From: Eric Faust
Europe is an amazing place to go for the cafe culture. I was in Italy and
London a year and a half ago. I didn't get to see anything in London, but
know some places I wish that I could go. Italy also has tons of cafes and I
would recommend just going with the flow.
While in London I would definitely check out Bea's of Bloomsbury (
www.beasofbloomsbury.com ). The coffee is roasted by James Hoffmann, Stephen
Morrissey and Annette Moldvaer. I would also check try to go to Square Mile
Roasters (www.squaremilecoffee.com/ ). If you end up going please let me
know what it is like and take some pictures if you can. Monmouth Coffee (
www.monmouthcoffee.co.uk/ ) is also a place you might want to check out.
As for Italy you should definitely try to check out an Illy cafe. Also in
Venice there is one place that I found that has a ton of grinders all set up
with different coffees and multiple espresso machines. Automatics and Manual
machines. I which location I went to, but the cafe is called Caffe del Doge
(www.caffedeldoge.com/). I know that it is a place you will enjoy.  I should
warn you that the Italian coffee culture is much different than
the American coffee culture. Embrace it for what it is.
As for Paris, let me know what you find.
Best Regards,
Eric Faust
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3) From: Gary Foster
Can't help you in Venice, but if you're ever up near Tuscany, there's a
little hole in the wall place past the town square in Castelfiorentino
called "Patricias" that makes some of the best pizza I've ever had.  Top
that off with a capp after dinner and you're set.  Her capps taste more like
a breve, actually, but holy crap they are good.  There's also a little
gelato place up on the north side of the town center that makes killer
cappuccini as well.
EVERY place I had espresso in Tuscany was good... Even the shell station had
an espresso bar that was top notch (yeah, I'm serious).  The wine, on the
other hand, left something to be desired.  Living as close as I do to Napa
and Sonoma, I guess my palate is skewed and the Italian table wines left a
lot to be desired.
-- Gary F.
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4) From: Benjamin VerHage
Thanks for the reply. Bea's of Bloomsbury looks awesome. I'm definitely exc=
ited about going to an Illy cafe as well. I'll report back.
Ben
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From: Eric Faust 
To: homeroast
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 8:47:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] espresso in Italy?
Europe is an amazing place to go for the cafe culture. I was in Italy and
London a year and a half ago. I didn't get to see anything in London, but
know some places I wish that I could go. Italy also has tons of cafes and I
would recommend just going with the flow.
While in London I would definitely check out Bea's of Bloomsbury (
www.beasofbloomsbury.com ). The coffee is roasted by James Hoffmann, Stephen
Morrissey and Annette Moldvaer. I would also check try to go to Square Mile
Roasters (www.squaremilecoffee.com/ ). If you end up going please let me
know what it is like and take some pictures if you can. Monmouth Coffee (
www.monmouthcoffee.co.uk/ ) is also a place you might want to check out.
As for Italy you should definitely try to check out an Illy cafe. Also in
Venice there is one place that I found that has a ton of grinders all set up
with different coffees and multiple espresso machines. Automatics and Manual
machines. I which location I went to, but the cafe is called Caffe del Doge
(www.caffedeldoge.com/). I know that it is a place you will enjoy.  I sho=
uld
warn you that the Italian coffee culture is much different than
the American coffee culture. Embrace it for what it is.
As for Paris, let me know what you find.
Best Regards,
Eric Faust
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5) From: Mike Koenig
Ben,
I don't have any specific recommendations for Venice,  but generally
all the espresso I had when I was in Italy was good.  Even the young
waitress for breakfast at one of my hotels was able to walk up to the
machine and pull a decent shot.  (nothing approached the "amazing"
shot that I occasionally get with homeroast, but it was all way better
than the average cafe stuff here in NJ).
Keep in mind that in Italy,  if you sit down for your coffee you will
pay quite a bit more for it, since it includes the "service charge"
(you are paying to be able to sit at your table for as long as you
want).  Best bet is to be like a local, and drink your espresso
standing at the bar (normal price would be about 1 euro and change).
In most places, you tend to pay first, and the cashier will give you a
receipt, which you then give to the barista to get your drink.
Try the places you see locals standing and you are bound to get a
decent coffee.  (there are two very old cafes around St. Mark's
square... you will pay through the nose in service charge if you sit
at a table there, but you do get live classical music being performed
in front of you.)
Also keep in mind that sometimes if they know you are American..if you
order a Caffe, they may assume you want an Americano,  so you may need
to specify Caffe normale or espresso (they just call it Caffe there),
or make the international symbol for small with your fingers.
Probably had too many bad tourists yelling at them over the years.
(Probably one of the worst scenes I ever saw was someone screaming at
a barista (in english) that the cup of coffee with milk in it was "NOT
A LATTE...that a latte should come in a big cup like it does at
Starbucks")
Paris is hit or miss... my experience is you tend to get rather long
pulls of espresso there..
I'm jealous... Venice is an amazing place.
--mike
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6) From: Sandy Andina
I remember one bar nestled in the SE corner of Piazza San Marco that  
made its Bellinis with white peach concentrate (and served them in an  
old-fashioned stemmed "coupe" over a peach half, white if in season);  
they had wonderful cappas and ristretti--the barista proudly displayed  
his certificate of competency (as a barista, not a bartender) on the  
wall above his espresso rig.  But that was 1996, so I don't know if  
it's still there.
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7) From: Dante
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:03:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Benjamin VerHage 
Subject: [Homeroast] espresso in Italy?
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Hey everyone,
After a stop in London and Paris, my girlfriend and I are going to Pordenone & Venice in northern Italy. She was accepted to a silent film festival there so we decided to make a trip out of it. Of course when you think of espresso you think of Italy, so I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions or recommendations?as far as espresso or cafes in that area (or in London or Paris as well).
Ben
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Hi Ben,
Rome is a fantastic place for coffee. In fact, the best espresso I had while I was there was at the Termini train station at a place called Moka. It is a small coffee bar on the far right of the station if you are facing the train platforms. The place is so busy in the mornings and that is when the shots are all God shots! .85 euro for a single at the bar. Costs more if you take a table. There are also some famous places for coffee in Rome like the Tazza d'Oro and Sant Eustachio (not sure of my spellings now) near the Pantheon. So so espresso there. I'd usually look for a small coffee place with a bar-full of people and generally get great espresso.
In Venice, you have to experience Cafe Florian. Super expensive mediocre coffee but served by bow-tied waiters and in a fantastic location. Sit outside and enjoy the view. I'll recommend the flavored drinks - those with plenty of cream, to at least mask the so so coffee.
Italy is a fabulous place. Enjoy your trip!
Cheers!
Dante
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8) From: John Despres
Hi, Ben.
I know nothing about coffee in Europe, but I would like to congratulate 
your girlfriend. Festivals are a lot of fun and can be a great benefit 
to future work.
All my best to you both and have fun on your trip.
John
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9) From: Dennis
Reminds me of my 56 Shots in 56 hours my first 2 days in Naples/Rome 
with no sleep... it was an AWESOME time
this was Oct 06 whn I was deployed onboard the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower 
(CVN-69)
maybe some one can fine the emails I sent after that stop and then my 
Cyprus
Oh the good ole Days....LOL
now I am enjoying working on converts to homeroasting here in GTMO, Cuba
Dennis
AKA
FC1 (SW/AW) DENNIS TRUE
DELTA COMPANY 9.0
JTF - GTMO
APO AE 09360
-shameless plug but Christmas is coming soon and it takes 6-8 weeks for 
mail to arrive here.. always looking for some reminders for my troopers
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