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Topic: Mokha Jave FP vs Americano (11 msgs / 367 lines)
1) From: Mike McGinness
Roasted a couple pound test batch of "Premium Mokha Java Dark Roast" last
Saturday. (Dark roast being relative, USRC ~20sec into 2nd, start of 1st
~11:30min, EOR ~15:30, 6 days rest very few spots of oil showing on a few
beans, no way anything close to a sheen:-). Finally made a press pot this
afternoon, unimpressed. Not bad just didn't float my boat. But then I
haven't been impressed with press cups in a long time and it was a bit busy
at the cafe. Brought some home and just made after dinner Americanos of the
same stuff, damn it's good, just what I was hoping for from this pre-roast
blend for customers asking for a dark roast. (Sumatra Lintong Special Prep /
Bageresh Idido Misty Vally 1:1) =
Yet to find the coffee that doesn't sing best "coffee strength" as an
Americano verus other brewing methods. Maybe just my preference I suppose,
but strongly considering going to a FIFTH café espresso grinder for "house
coffee" switching to Americanos instead of current press pot held in airpot
(max 1hr). Would still offer press pots to order of course but get rid of
ANY and ALL airpot held coffee, just isn't right to treat coffee that way.
Not a home roaster type issue except to say IMO if you haven't had a well
pulled Americano of your favorite SO, whatever it is, you haven't tasted all
the coffee has to offer IMO.
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2) From: james McDougal
Hi Mike,
What's the appropriate ratio of coffee to water for an American?. I have
ordered them out, but may try to fire up my cheap expresso machine and make
one at home and dilute the MP to the same ratio for comparison.
TIA
Jim
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3) From: Kris McN
Yeah, I agree.  Americanos have ruined me for any other brew method.  I
think it's some kind of nefarious plot by the likes of you so you're not
lonely on the dark side.  Sure, I got a Technivorm so my weekday morning
routine is manageable and I have good coffee to wake up to, but I live for
the weekend 'canos.  I literally dream about them.
Kris McN
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4) From: Mike Koenig
Actually, one of the primary drivers for me getting heavy into
espresso was that I'm a lot faster pulling shots in the morning, than
brewing any other type of coffee,  especially when you factor in
clean-up... (the machine warms up while I'm doing other parts of my
morning routine)
..and then the espresso obsession led me to homeroasting...
--mike
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5) From:
I totally relate to that. Regardless of other methods, I always pull a double shot first because it is the quickest (and my fav). It was the desire to have the best espresso which led me to homeroast. I can deal with bad coffee (not that I want to...but just can if I have to), but I cannot tolerate bad espresso.
Dean De Crisce
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6) From:
I totally relate to that. Regardless of other methods, I always pull a double shot first because it is the quickest (and my fav). It was the desire to have the best espresso which led me to homeroast. I can deal with bad coffee (not that I want to...but just can if I have to), but I cannot tolerate bad espresso.
Dean De Crisce
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7) From: Kris McN
Well that's because your espresso machine isn't plumbed in the garage, I'm
guessing, like mine is currently.  I know, it's crazy.  With the
back-and-forth between the grinder/beans/sink in the kitchen and La P in the
garage, I was spending close to half an hour pulling all the necessary
morning 'canos (6 total).  Some day (hopefully soon-ish), she'll get her
rightful place in the kitchen and I won't have to wait for the weekends.
Kris McN
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8) From: miKe mcKoffee
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First I'll answer your question. I pull Americanos doppio (double shot) plus
water for 8 or 12oz total depending on coffee strength preference. I have
one customer who likes his weak and orders 16oz doppio instead of quad as on
the menu.
That said you can't expect a good Americano from anything but a good shot.
Good fresh roasted quality beans, good grinder, good espresso machine, and
good hand. Breaking out a seldom used cheap espresso machine (with unknown
grinder), which implies lack of experience with said machine, does not bode
well for a good Americano experience and especially meaningless for a cup
quality comparison. Which is Not to say don't try it! A cheapo Krups Gusto
is capable of a decent shot with a skilled hand. Skill is gained through
copious learning and practice. Good espresso may be the ultimate expression
of the bean, but it takes dedication to achieve.
Just as it's easy to turn beans brown yet a lifetime journey learning to
make them sing same goes for 'spro. It's easy to pull a bad sour or bitter
under or over extracted too hot or too cool shot. It's done all the time all
over the place out there! Traversing the path of the Dark Side is not to be
taken lightly with stellar results expected quickly. But it's difficulty is
relative to it's high rewards and how hard is hard anyway... Hmmm, how hard
is hard, good question! It's probably as easy to learn to roast a passable
roast as it is to learn to pull a passable shot, and both take a lifetime to
master. Yet no matter, it's the journey not the destination.
Typed still tasting the euphoric linger of a quite stellar (and these days
almost run of the mill:-) just peaking 7 day rested Ohana/Nirvana? shot from
almost two hours ago. Looked at my watch and hard to believe I quaffed that
shot two hours ago before leaving the cafe! That's what 'spro is all about,
not just the silky smoothly intense concentrated flavors but it's the
phenomenal linger... (Unless it's a bad shot then it's a bad thing cause
you'll keep tasting it forever too...)
PS Don't let me scare anyone away from the Dark Side. It's journey well
worth undertaking. Silvia was a member of our household and used almost
everyday for two years before my espresso epiphany. Yet beware the power of
the Dark Side, once giving yourself over there is no turning back! :-)
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9) From:
I totally relate to that. Regardless of other methods, I always pull a double shot first because it is the quickest (and my fav). It was the desire to have the best espresso which led me to homeroast. I can deal with bad coffee (not that I want to...but just can if I have to), but I cannot tolerate bad espresso.
Dean De Crisce
Sent from a Treo phone.

10) From:
I totally relate to that. Regardless of other methods, I always pull a double shot first because it is the quickest (and my fav). It was the desire to have the best espresso which led me to homeroast. I can deal with bad coffee (not that I want to...but just can if I have to), but I cannot tolerate bad espresso.
Dean De Crisce
Sent from a Treo phone.

11) From: raymanowen
"...the desire to have the best espresso"
I don't have it, I couldn't have it. Two weeks ago, I was getting noticeable
variation in the crema and flavor. Tapping the filter to settle the grounds
eliminated the tamping variation and stopped all that. The remaining
problems will surface in good time.
For now, temperature control is kind of a Jury Rig, but it's better than it
was. A PID controlled double pass boiler with an E61 shunt is on the list
next time I leave a tooth under the pillow.
Cheers, Mabuhay, Magandang Umaga -RayO, aka Opa!
I'm a simple guy- Maybe a shark tooth from the aquarium would work?
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