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Topic: AP ideas and Gesha Lot 10 question (11 msgs / 246 lines)
1) From: Dean De Crisce
Hi,
roasted 8 oz of Gesha Lot 10 on Sat. Used Behmor P1, 1/2 Lb. First crack at
2:43 to go, and it went quick, ending at 1:40. EOR 1:30 to go. I believe it
is a city plus.
Right then made a double shot...very fruity, ethiopian-like, a little sour
though which i don't understand at all. i thought perhaps I didn't take the
roast far enough. Sunday did a MP, more floral and fruits, but still
somewhat sour. Sunday, did a FP...less sour. I don't know why.
Today I used Ivan's brilliant idea. I cut out a gold filter pourover
screen...which I don't use, and made two disks the size of AP filters. I
love the AP but I think it mutes the flavors because of the paper. Tried his
inverted method with the double gold screen disks. Very nice...no
sourness...just sweet and fruity. I don't know if the sourness left because
the rest time had increased. I tried the disks again after I gulped down the
cup, using the regular upright method. The inverted method is a little bit
inconvenient because I cant fit the AP under the espresso hot water wand,
which I routinely use with the AP. I found that the upright method did not
taste any different (to me) using the gold disks, than the inverted method.
some coffee leaked into the cup below as the water was poured in...but not
much. I still had to press it out...but with less force than usual with the
paper.
I may have to try different grind sizes for use with the screen...I am not
sure if I should go bigger or smaller. The screen left some sediment...but
very very little compared to a FP (perhaps cause I doubled up). I am also
planning to try the polyfilter suggested...but kinda prefer the inertness of
metal/gold...rather than potential issues (of which I have no idea) with
polyester/vinyl. I have visions of turning into a leisure suit...or
developing some kind of GI asbestosis. (any occupational med specialists out
there).
I really love the AP, although I have never liked the idea of using a
plastic toy...which doesnt have the class of a beautiful glass vacpot or FP.
However, because I am the only real coffee drinker at home, the FP and VP
simply make too much for me...and I have to save it for later (which I don't
like). As primarily an espresso drinker...my thoughts and motto has
been..."the man waits for the espresso. the espresso never waits for the man
(or woman of course!)." The 3-cup MP, makes one cup for me too...which is
great. But, i turn on the espresso machine when I wake up. Start the morning
process. when it warms up, usually make a double shot and follow that up
with the effortless AP using the hot water wand on the machine. No wait and
zero clean up. I wish it was made in glass or stainless steel (which is an
idea for me).
Any thoughts for me about the sourness....or feedback about the screen
useage...or making a SS AP. Rambling here...thanks.
-- 
Dean De Crisce
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2) From: Jim Gundlach
Dean,
      Light roasts, especially faster ones can be under roasted  
inside.  Extra resting might take the sourness out.
           pecan jim
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3) From: Joseph Robertson
I second pecan Jim's comments. Resting and testing was my first thought here
Dean.
JoeR
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4) From: Bill
how bout insufficient rest time, especially for espresso?
not bitterness?  If it was bitterness it could be overextraction.
yep, under-roasted insides are a possibility.  does the grind color match
exterior color?
i can taste the co2 of real fresh roasts, has kind of a tang to it... that
it?
thanks for the report Dean!
bill
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5) From: Dean De Crisce
ill check the insides...i also can taste the co2...but this is a little
different...kind of a metallic sourness...ive only gotten that taste one
time before...with the wp koratie.
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6) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
what I think (and have been hearing) is that Lot 10 really shines 
right after roasting, with little rest, and that 2 and 3 need more 
rest time. 3 has more body and complexity and definitely benefits 
from a day or two. One thing we have found with some vac pack coffees 
is that it might be beneficial to let the green "stabilize" for a day 
before roasting ... to open the bag and let it sit in a cool dark 
place in something breathable, cloth, paper etc. Not sure about this, 
but we found it to be true with our vac packed aussie lot.
Tom
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7) From: raymanowen
Microwave a cup of Dr. Pepper soda pop to coffee temperature. Note the
vigorous departure of the CO2, with its tang.
Keep a sponge and towel handy- clean your mess.
Cheers, Mabuhay, Magandang Hapon -RayO, aka Opa!
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8) From: Steve Barber
That reminds me I remember when I was a kid....many moons ago... that around
Christmas time they would have commercials on TV for drinking Dr Pepper hot!
I can't think of anything more blecch!! But you didnt heat it in the
microwave cause nobody had one way back then.
Steve
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9) From: miKe mcKoffee
Sour doppio: likely either too low brew temp and/or too short pull time.
Lighter roasted brighter coffees usually need higher brew temps. I've pulled
WP Yirg's wanting a good 206f.
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10) From: Gary Foster
Actually, it's not blecch at all.  My grandma (and my mom) used to give us
hot Dr. Pepper with lemon slices in it when we were sick and it was pretty
good.
-- Gary F.
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11) From: Dave Huddle
Yep - hot Dr. Pepper w/ lemon.    I remember it well from ~1961-63
when I was in college.
I liked it, but now rarely have any Dr. Pepper in the house.
Dave
Westerville, OH
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