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Topic: America's Test Kitchen on Coffee Makers (13 msgs / 430 lines)
1) From: Robert Yoder
Greetings, Most Excellent Group,
 
America's Test Kitchen recently compared coffee makers.  Here's a link to their findings: 
 
http://www.cooksillustrated.com/testing.asp?testingid=5&bdc`&ExtcodeKN2BA00 
Happy Brewing,
 
robert yoder
 
(sent from my dinner table)
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2) From: Jack M. Rogers
Wow!  They even used GOOD coffee for testing!  Stumptown's house blend.  I couldn't find any mention of the grinder they used.
Jack

3) From: Bob Hazen
Thanks for the link, Robert.
I plunked down the cash for a Technivorm some time ago, and I've never 
regretted it.  I'm a firm believer in paying the price for quality and only 
crying once.  When you buy something mediocre you cry every time you use it 
and perhaps again when you replace it.  I also subscribe to the 
form-follows-function philosophy.  I like the absence of extraneous geegaws 
on the Technivorm.  Rampant featureitis just takes a part of the design 
budget that can't be applied to worthwhile functions.  You lose by getting a 
lot of claptrap that doesn't work very well.  Of course the proof is in the 
cup and IMHO the Technivorm excels.  America's Test Kitchen clearly agrees.
Is there anybody out there who has been disappointed with a Technivorm?  Not 
many, I'm guessing.
Bob
P.S.  What processor are you running on your dinner table?  ;-)
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4) From: Lindsay Murphy
We've had ours (KBT 741, old-style carafe) for about two years now and
love it.  About the only thing that acts up occasionally is the flat
spring on the drip cone lever, and that's easily fixed with a pliers.
Other than that, it makes a great pot of coffee and it's the next best
thing to idiot-proof.  Highly recommended.
--
Lindsay Murphy
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5) From: raymanowen
I think it really is Idiot Proof. I take the cone basket apart and
reassemble it. The spring pushes the flap valve closed when you run the
slide to the bottom of its slot.
At the top, the slide tips the flap open against spring tension. When SM
first offered the TV, we got it because of the alleged 200 F brewing and
the throttle valve in the basket.
Water actually is dispensed into the grounds at exactly 200 F.
OK, class- with the grounds and basket body starting out 130 cooler, how
about a show of hands- everybody that thinks the temperature stays at 200=
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during brewing? Has anyone measured the actual brewing temperature?
Another thing- America's Test Kitchen states the heater is made of Copper
wire: "It turns out that in contrast to most coffee maker heating elements,
which are made of aluminum, the Technivorm's heating element is made of far
more expensive copper."
That's False. It's a Nichrome heat element. Nobody uses Copper to generate
heat
Imagine Copper wire that will handle 11.4 amperes. Or use a
chart:
It would take 548 feet of 20 ga Cu wire. Unless it were bifilar wound, it
would make an intense 120 hz electromagnetic field, inducing large magnitude
hum and tertiary heat in the surrounding metal pieces.
Cheers, Mabuhay, Magandang Gabi -RayO, aka Opa!
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6) From: Joseph Robertson
When one element of a program/show/marketing show or what ever they call it
is false it raises or should raise our eye brows of question regarding the
soundness of the product or item being refered to.
The bottom line ofcourse is in the cup of the beholder.
Has anyone been unhappy with the coffee brewed from this unit?
I guess Bob H. already asked that.
Thanks Ray for bringing up a false advertizing statement.
Why can't these guys get it right when they are going public in a big way?
JoeR
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7) From: Bob Hazen
Ray's on a bit of a tangent here.  (Sorry Ray)
He says that the America's Test Kitchen said the heater is made of copper =
wire.  But, they didn't say that, they said the element is made of copper. =
Furthering the tangent we see some analysis of heating with copper wire. =
Ray is right, copper wire wouldn't be the best choice for heating.  Nichrom=
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is common - you probably have it in your toaster.  However, America's Test =
Kitchen said the >element< is made of copper.  Likely they meant the =
plumbing/assembly is made of copper.  Probably the internals of the heater =
are made of nichrome.
If anybody has torn down a Technivorm, let us know.  Apart from that, this =
is all conjecture.
FWIW, I don't particularly trust reviews of any sort.  The reviewers' power=
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different than mine.  They can and do give me food for thought though.... =
So I don't think the alleged inaccuracy should bring the entire review into =
question.  The subjective nature of their decisions on what constitutes =
better coffee is a bigger concern for me.
Bob

8) From: Joseph Robertson
Thanks for setting me straight here Bob. Now it's time for a straight shot
of the real thing.
JoeR
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9) From: R Nepsund
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10) From: raymanowen
"...a tangent here" Undefined term...
Tangent- you mean a trig function or political palaver? Thought the PC
Gestapo would be upset with the latter.
One direct statement I've made is that I like the Technivorm. My use of it
varies a lot from the specific directions given, in an attempt to actually
brew at 200 F. How do they use it in Mexico City, Leadville, CO or La Pa=
z,
Bolivia? Makes me wonder- maybe I got one of their machines...
I've had the thing apart. In fact, nothing about the heater cartridge
reminded me of Copper. I could be rong. Wouldn't be the first time. Not
about to saw it in half.
Cheers, Mabuhay, Magandang Umaga -RayO, aka Opa!
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11) From: Joseph Robertson
Ray,
Glad to see your adept at reverse engineering.
JoeR
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12) From: dfluke
I'm kind of bummed that the BUNN didn't score higher. I have a slightly 
different model - one with two cylindrical chambers on the back (120 
bucks), and I find that it makes really awesome coffee.
Two things I can think of - if you do not have the taller BUNN filters, 
the grounds will overflow a generic/mr. coffee brand filter if you make 
a full 10 cups. I can make 6 cups at the grind I like and not get 
grounds in the filter basket. True, larger pots of coffee would likely 
seep over.  The second thing I thought of was that I do enjoy the fact I 
can put in fresh water each day, and get a fast 4 cups before I head out 
the door.
I haven't measured the water temperature lately, so I'll have to double 
check that soon to see how I'm doing.
I use a Solis (baratza) Maestro Plus, so maybe I'm doing something this 
review did not do.
It would be nice to see what they ground with and how fine it was 
estimated to be.
Dustin
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13) From: Bob Hazen
No offense meant....  Just seemed like the comment about copper >wire< was =
an assumption inconsistent with the report.  Good that your position is =
based on observation.  America's Test Kitchen was, methinks, repeating =
hearsay not describing direct observation.  And I wouldn't saw it in half =
either just to find out.
Bob


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