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Topic: Top coffee's by cupping numbers (12 msgs / 414 lines)
1) From: R Nepsund
The time for me to order more coffee has been coming up and I asked myself a
few questions like.  What are the top coffee's for each cupping note number
that SM provides.   So ,being a programer, I got busy and wrote a program to
extract the cupping numbers from SM's web pages and  and then wrote them out
to a database.  I just placed my order and now I'm thinking that others
might like to see my notes.
I excluded the the Robusta and the Geshias since they basically don't have
cupping numbers.
Dry Fragrance    average: 3.7  Range:(3.5-4.6)
    Ethiopia Organic DP - Dale Yirga Alem            4.6    $5.95
    Kenya AA Auction Lot 639 -Gatomboya           4.6    $6.8
    Kenya AA Auction Lot 407 -Giakanja                4.3    $6.6
    Guatemala El Injerto Estate Pacamara             4      $6.6
Wet Aroma    average 3.7  Range:(3-4.5)
    Guatemala Finca San Jos? Oca?                     4.5    $5.7
    Guatemala El Injerto Estate Pacamara            4.5    $6.6
    Kenya AA Auction Lot 407 -Giakanja               4.4    $6.6
Brightness    average 8.6      Range:(7-9.3)
    Kenya AA Auction Lot 407 -Giakanja                9.3    $6.6
    Kenya AA Auction Lot 526 -Tegu                      9.3    $6.5
    Ethiopia Dry-Processed Limu                           9.2    $5.7
    Panama Carmen Estate 1800+ Meters            9.2    $6.2
Flavor    average 8.8   Range:(8.2-9.7)
    Kenya AA Auction Lot 639 -Gatomboya            9.7    $6.8
    Ethiopia Organic DP - Dale Yirga Alem             9.5    $5.95
    Kenya AA Auction Lot 407 -Giakanja                9.5    $6.6
    Brazil Carmo de Minas - Fazenda Esperança    9.4    $6.1    note:
2# low-stock
    Tanzania Blackburn Estate AA                          9.3    $6.1
Body    average 3.6  Range:(2.7-4.6)
    Costa Rica R.I.P. Red Honey Coffee                 4.6    $5.9    note:
2# limit
    Brazil Pocos de Caldas -Fazenda Barreiro       4.4    $5.2
    India Monsooned Malabar AA                           4.2    $5
note:5# limit
    El Salvador Santa Rita Full Natural                   4.2    $6.2
Finish    average 8.75   Range:(8-9.5)
    Tanzania Blackburn Estate AA                          9.5    $6.1
    Kenya AA Auction Lot 639 -Gatomboya            9.5    $6.8
    Ethiopia Organic DP - Dale Yirga Alem             9.4    $5.95
    Brazil Carmo de Minas - Fazenda Esperança    9.4    $6.1
    Yemen Mokha Sharasi                                       9.4    $7.2
Score   Average 87.7  Range:(83.9-92.5)
    Kenya AA Auction Lot 639 -Gatomboya           92.5    $6.8
     Kenya AA Auction Lot 407 -Giakanja               91.5    $6.6
    Tanzania Blackburn Estate AA                          91    $6.1
    Panama Carmen Estate 1800+ Meters             89.8    $6.2
    Ethiopia Organic DP - Dale Yirga Alem             89.5    $5.95
    Kenya Thika Chania - French Mission Cultivar  89.3    $6.6
    Yemen Mokha Sharasi                                       89.3    $7.2
Price to Score Ratio    (score-70)/price ratio    SELECT * FROM Coffees
ORDER BY (score-70)/price
    Mexico Organic Nayarit Dry-Proces               87.7    $5.15
    Tanzania Blackburn Estate AA                       91       $6.1
    Brazil Pocos de Caldas -Fazenda Barreiro    88.5    $5.2
    Guatemala Huehuetenango "Quetzal Azul    88.8    $5.1
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The coffee's that I decided were no-brainer's about buying  were the ones
that were tops in 4 or more categories.
    Ethiopia Organic DP - Dale Yirga Alem     $5.95    Dry Fragrance(top),
flavor, finish, score
    Kenya AA Auction Lot 407 -Giakanja        $6.6      Dry Fragrance, Wet
Aroma, brightness(top), flavor, score
    Kenya AA Auction Lot 639 -Gatomboya    $6.8      Dry Fragrance,
flavor(top), finish, score(top), price ratio(top)
These sound interesting too.
    Panama Carmen Estate 1800+ Meters    $6.2    brightness,score
    Guatemala El Injerto Estate Pacamara    $6.6    DryFragrance,Wet Aroma,
    Costa Rica R.I.P. Red Honey Coffee        $5.9    body(top)
note: 2# limit
    Tanzania Blackburn Estate AA                 $6.1
flavor,finish(top),price ratio
     Brazil Carmo de Minas                            $6.1
flavor,finish,    Tom said "Wow"    note: 2# low-stock
     Yemen Mokha Sharasi                            $7.2    finish,score
PS:
'Average': I sorted the coffee's by the category and picked the score of the
coffee in the middle.
'Range': Minimum and maximum values for the category.
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2) From: Floyd Lozano
I will add this comment: your scoring and selection system will keep
many of the heavier bodied and lower acidity coffees off your shopping
list.  I see the Sharasi barely made the cut, and the Yemen Mattari
was nowhere to be seen, but for those that like Yemen coffee these
both are stellar.  You may want to also modify your code to catch the
Geshas, as these should certainly come high on your list (lots 5 and
10, the 2 and 3 are going to be blown right off given price/score
ratio).  I'd keep yourself open to trying out other coffees that are
not necessarily top rated ones - of all the coffee I have tried from
SM, only one has really disagreed with me.
A system I would like to see is a checklist of flavors in coffees:
Chocolate
Strawberry
Concord grape
Black Currant
Mild Tobacco
Peach
Apricot
Mango
Grapefruit (!)
Orange Rind
Almond
Hazelnut
Pecan
Butter
Gorgonzola
etc.  and how the coffees exhibit these flavors, and possibly to what
degree.  I think that would be useful in helping to pick a flavor that
agreed with you, when used along with the current scoring (body,
acidity).  Dry fragrance and wet fragrance are nice numbers don't
always seem to correlate to cup flavor for me (smells awe inspiring
out of the grinder, but only 'good' in the cup, or has muted to no dry
fragrance but explodes like a bomb in the cup) so I don't really look
at those numbers.  The descriptions in the reviews and the comments on
this list are actually the most useful info for me!
-F
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:22 AM, R Nepsund  wrote:
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3) From: Les
My favorite score is what I have scored for the stash!
Les
P.S.  They are all awesome coffees.  I have some plain Jane coffees
that have been sent to me by some tamper customers.  If you want to
taste some blase coffee with no character, let me know!  If there was
a score for "brown water."  These would all get a 10 in that catagory.
Les
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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4) From: Gary Foster
Being a programmer I can appreciate your approach and the work you put
in.  However, I'll point out that choosing by cupping number alone
isn't a good method... my absolute favorite coffee *ever* was the
Costa Rica Finca Tono Miel (one you don't see a lot of people talk
about) and it cupped a measly 86.3 overall.  I would have NEVER bought
this coffee if I looked at numbers alone (in fact, I got it in a
sampler).  Now, I'm kicking myself and crying because I only had a
pound and it's long gone.
Sometimes numbers (and hype from others) is good, but there's also
individual sleepers that will be *your* favorite that a system like
this will miss more often than not.
-- Gary F.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
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5) From: Jim Gundlach
I agree with Floyd here and since I tend to not like the high acid or  
bright coffees, I actually find the highest scoring coffees less  
desirable than those a step down because they have a low acidity  
score.   In fact, I haven't bought a top score coffee in more than  
five years.
If you look at the flavor quality analysis chart I think you will get  
the information you are wanting through the suggested checklist of  
flavors.  Click the small graphic and it enlarges so you can read it.
        pecan jim
On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Floyd Lozano wrote:
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6) From: Seth Grandeau
I've tried a similar approach (though one based on eyeballing the reviews
and scores, no software involved).  As someone relatively new to homeroasted
coffee (coming up on 1 year), I find it exciting to try some of the extreme
scorers, just to see what type of coffee experience they offer.  I started
homeroasting as a lover of dark roasted indonesians.  Though I still enjoy
them, I now really love some of the light roasted ethiopians.  I never would
have experienced that, if not for the curiosity around the high score for
IMV.
At the end of the day, I'm enjoying having a large selection of coffees to
try.  I've yet to order more than 5 lbs of anything and usually just a 1
or 2 lb try-me order to see if I like things.
In case anyone's interested, the ones I've liked enough to order a 5'er of
are:
Ethiopian IMV
Ethiopian Koratie (DP)
Panama Las Victorias
Guat San Jose Ocana
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7) From: R Nepsund
Searching for specific flavors sounds like a good idea . I thought about
checking the cupping notes for key words and phrases, but my stash was down
to about 1# and wanted to get my order in :-)   I'll probably add that some
time.   I was also thinking about working up  a public web page that could
search the cupping info when I have some time.
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8) From: Brian Kamnetz
I think what you are doing is really interesting.
I think that there two main ways to choose really great coffee from
Sweet Maria's:
1. Systematically
2. Randomly
So far I have been relying on method 2, but it would be fun to have a
way to try out method 1.
Brian
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9) From: raymanowen
You, too could have a daughter attending a corporate business meeting and
staying at the St. Francis in SFO. It was 8 miles away, per MapQuest, and
Sarah didn't have time to take a detour e/r to the Airplane Patch.
The popularity of Ray's Way wanes. #3 is No Particular Arrangement- neither
Systematically nor Randomly. Pop didn't rate a C-note, cover the eyes and
point to four beans at random- "Fiver of each, please."
Cheers, Buhay, Magandang Gabi -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?
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10) From: Skydragon454
Just a quick note. Im really glad to see Mexico Organic Nayarit  Dry-Process  
 somewhere. I tried this out a couple of weeks ago  not expecting anything 
too exciting because its not from a region/type  that gets much attention. The 
package suggested FC - vienna. I was skeptical of  this FC++ roast lvl but 
decided to give it a whirl. I pulled it 25 seconds  into 2nd crack and let it rest 
for 3 days. Holy cow!!! It was fruity and  chocolatey with almost zero 
bitterness. It has become an instant favorite  in my family. I know darker roast are 
unpopular on this  list but this  coffee is truly an exception. All my 
brewing is done in a FP so that's  what I am using to form my opinion. I will be 
ordering 5 more lbs  soon
 
Eric         
 
In a message dated 10/16/2008 7:46:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
fplozano writes:
I will  add this comment: your scoring and selection system will keep
many of the  heavier bodied and lower acidity coffees off your shopping
list.  I  see the Sharasi barely made the cut, and the Yemen Mattari
was nowhere to  be seen, but for those that like Yemen coffee these
both are stellar.   You may want to also modify your code to catch the
Geshas, as these should  certainly come high on your list (lots 5 and
10, the 2 and 3 are going to  be blown right off given price/score
ratio).  I'd keep yourself open  to trying out other coffees that are
not necessarily top rated ones - of  all the coffee I have tried from
SM, only one has really disagreed with  me.
A system I would like to see is a checklist of flavors in  coffees:
Chocolate
Strawberry
Concord grape
Black  Currant
Mild Tobacco
Peach
Apricot
Mango
Grapefruit  (!)
Orange  Rind
Almond
Hazelnut
Pecan
Butter
Gorgonzola
etc.   and how the coffees exhibit these flavors, and possibly to  what
degree.  I think that would be useful in helping to pick a flavor  that
agreed with you, when used along with the current scoring  (body,
acidity).  Dry fragrance and wet fragrance are nice numbers  don't
always seem to correlate to cup flavor for me (smells awe  inspiring
out of the grinder, but only 'good' in the cup, or has muted to  no dry
fragrance but explodes like a bomb in the cup) so I don't really  look
at those numbers.  The descriptions in the reviews and the  comments on
this list are actually the most useful info for  me!
-F
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11) From: Tom Ulmer
Downstream of the actual purchase and carting an extra 20 pounds around lays
the new and improved airline baggage dollar trap. The postal service will
deliver to your door for less.

12) From: Sean Cary
ditto - prefer the more "base" centrals...
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Jim Gundlach wrote:
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