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Topic: What's in a name. (70 msgs / 1379 lines)
1) From: Bruce Garley
What do beauty parlors and latte shoppes have in common? =
Answer: Names with puns in them.
I love puns. There must be dozens of places called "The Daily Grind" or
"Kafe Klatch". =
Does anyone have any favorites? Could there actually be a place called
"Charbucks"?
Bruce Garley
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2) From: Sandy Andina
I thought I had come up with "Joe 2 Go" for a drive-through, but this  
past year I actually saw two by that name.  So far, though, haven't  
seen any named "Java the Hut" (which is my top choice were I to start  
a freestanding drive-through); perhaps the fear of lawsuits from  
Lucasfilm might explain that.   I've performed at "Bean Encounters" in  
Minooka, IL; and I've seen several named "Brewed Awakenings."  I have  
seen several named "Common Ground(s)" (one at which I used to perform  
changed its name to "Downtown Grounds" but closed due to slow  
business, shakedowns from ASCAP/BMI, and its owner's success in  
running for political office and the associated demands on his time).   
Here in Chicago we have two called "Uncommon Ground" (one the second  
branch of the original), which feature Intelligentsia coffees, gourmet  
meals and (ahem, personal plug) fine live acoustic music.  In  
Ypsilanti, MI there's the "Ugly Mug Cafe." I have also seen several  
named "The Beanery."  None, though called "Caffetearia," which would  
be my choice for a conventional walk-in-and-sit-down cafe/bean & leaf  
store.   (Then there would be a hypothetical pickle factory run as a  
sideline by attorneys:  "Brined Justice;" as a fountain pen aficionado  
I've also always dreamed of owning a shop called "Civil Writes").
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3) From: Sheila Quinn
One of the shops here in Minnesota is called "Northern Grounds."
Sheila
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4) From: Bill Goodman
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Probably lasted until the cease-and-desist letter arrived!
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5) From: Alchemist John
Black Bear roastery had a Charbucks blend at some point (might 
still).  *$'s actually took them to court.  iirc *$'s lost.
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6) From: Avalon
We have a coffee shop next to the Fairgrounds horse racing track called the
Fair Grinds.
Mark in Metairie, LA
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7) From: Barry Luterman
We have a Vietnamese restaurant near the house named What the Pho. Pho is a
Vietnamese noodle soup pronounce Fa.
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8) From: Brad Baker
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We had one of those here in east central Florida.  Sadly, gone.  Also
the "Lazy Bean", gone.
The ones that have lasted do not have the catchy name - East Coast
Coffee, Indian River Coffee.  Wahoo Coffee (Cape Canaveral) OTOH is
perhaps stressing.  They have a wonderful hot air roaster (3 lb
capacity) planted in the middle of the customer area of the shop on a
raised pedestal, surrounded by 50 lb bags of green beans.  They roast
to order.
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9) From: Angelo
How about "Mug /Shot"?
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10) From: Coffee
In Santa Barbara we have a "Daily Grind". The college town adjacent to  
UCSB (University of California at Santa Barbara) is Isla Vista and  
there is a coffee shop called "IV Drip".
-Peter
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11) From: Mike Chester
The worst name I ever saw for a beauty shop was "Rape of the Lock"  This 
shop was located near where I used to live.  I always wondered what the 
owner was thinking.
A coffee shop in town here was called "Sufficient Grounds."  The business 
was for sale and I briefly considered buying it, but did not.  It has since 
closed and moved out of the building.  A Jazz bar is going into the 
location.  The local Caribou Coffee closed and is now a White Castle.
The was a Chinese owned fireworks dealer in Detroit named "Ho Li Kow."
Beaner's Coffee, a local chain changed its name to Bigby's because they were 
afraid that someone would accuse them of using a racial slur for a name.
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12) From: michael brown
we've got a place called "the bean hole"  lots of jokes among my friends obviously
 
mike in b'ham, AL> From: sandraandina> To: homeroast; bsgarley.public> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:22:57 -0600> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] What's in a name.> > I thought I had come up with "Joe 2 Go" for a drive-through, but this > past year I actually saw two by that name. So far, though, haven't > seen any named "Java the Hut" (which is my top choice were I to start > a freestanding drive-through); perhaps the fear of lawsuits from > Lucasfilm might explain that. I've performed at "Bean Encounters" in > Minooka, IL; and I've seen several named "Brewed Awakenings." I have > seen several named "Common Ground(s)" (one at which I used to perform > changed its name to "Downtown Grounds" but closed due to slow > business, shakedowns from ASCAP/BMI, and its owner's success in > running for political office and the associated demands on his time). > Here in Chicago we have two called "Uncommon Ground" (one the second > branch of the original),
  which feature Intelligentsia coffees, gourmet > meals and (ahem, personal plug) fine live acoustic music. In > Ypsilanti, MI there's the "Ugly Mug Cafe." I have also seen several > named "The Beanery." None, though called "Caffetearia," which would > be my choice for a conventional walk-in-and-sit-down cafe/bean & leaf > store. (Then there would be a hypothetical pickle factory run as a > sideline by attorneys: "Brined Justice;" as a fountain pen aficionado > I've also always dreamed of owning a shop called "Civil Writes").> On Nov 9, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Bruce Garley wrote:> > >> > What do beauty parlors and latte shoppes have in common?> >> > Answer: Names with puns in them.> >> > I love puns. There must be dozens of places called "The Daily Grind" > > or> > "Kafe Klatch".> >> > Does anyone have any favorites? Could there actually be a place called> > "Charbucks"?> >> > Bruce Garley> > 33991 Paseo de Alegria, San Juan Capistrano, CA 92675> > 949-218-2558> >> > Vivir con mied
 o es como vivir a medias.> >> >> >> > Homeroast mailing list> > Homeroast> >http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20>> Sandy Andina> www.myspace.com/sandyandina> > > > > >> Homeroast mailing list> Homeroast>http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.com>Homeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocidT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008Homeroast mailing list">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.com>> Homeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20>> Sandy Andina> www.myspace.com/sandyandina> > > > > >> Homeroast mailing list> Homeroast>http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.com>Homeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocidT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008Homeroast mailing list
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13) From: Sandy Andina
WTF???  ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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14) From: Sandy Andina
There's a bridal accessories shop in Palos Heights (S.W. suburbs of  
Chicago) called "To Know a Veil."
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15) From: raymanowen
Sandy, Sandy-
It's WTFO -ro
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16) From: Jim Gundlach
Rape of the Lock is a mock heroic poem written by Alexander Pope in  
1712.  It was quite typical of the irreverent literary culture written  
in and shared in  early coffee houses.
    pecan jim
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17) From: Floyd Lozano
Maybe their sign should also include as a subtitle 'inspired by mock
heroic poem, not, you know, the other thing'.  The reference is so
obscure (i.e. known to so few) as to essentially be an inside joke ;)
Maybe they should also start a bridal shop and name it A Modest
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18) From: Alchemist John
Seems like a better name for a funeral parlor or butcher shop.
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19) From: Lindsay Murphy
I've always gotten a chuckle out of the coffee carts at UM University
Hospital: "M Go Brew."  Ann Arbor has a lot of amusingly named places
like that.  Other A2 classics include Red Hot Lovers (a hot dog place),
Wizzywig Collectibles (as in WYSIWYG, a Japanese pop culture store), Aut
Bar (pronounced "out bar," a gay establishment), and the Little Brown
Jug (the establishment is a student bar; the name can be a Glenn Miller
song, a football trophy or a reference to alcoholism).
Not too far from where I live now, there's a beauty shop called
"Tortoise and the Hair."  Groan.
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21) From: Mike Chester
Then there is name of the beauty shop in the Blue's Brothers Movie, "Curl Up 
and Dye."
Mike

22) From: Lynne
My absolutely favorite show on television is Pushing Daisies on ABC. The
star of the show, Ned (played by Lee Pace) runs a pie shop... called the
"Pie Hole."http://pushingdaisies-tv.com/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushing_daisies
By the way, if you haven't seen it, watch it on Nov. 19, 8 pm (EST) on ABC.
I *love* this show - it hasn't had an honest run by ABC first, due to the
writer's strike, (they keep putting on other stuff in it's time slot, too)
and I'm hoping it doesn't end up getting canceled... it's the only diversion
on tv that makes my cable bill worthwhile!
Lynne
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23) From: Tom Ulmer
10 months, 4 days, 14 hours, and 37 minutes ago I noticed an elegant
espresso machine on the set...

24) From: Demian Ebert
This thread made me chuckle (there's an Ugly Mug in Porland, OR too). Then I
was driving through Klamath Falls this morning and saw the "Human Bean"
drive through 'spro stand. Thought that was cute, but saw another one in
Medford several hours later. Sound the alarm, Human Beans are spreading...
Who knows what I'll find in Bandon tomorrow.
There's a "Shaking Grounds Coffeehouse" in San Francisco that I always
thought was a great name. No idea how the coffee was.
Demian
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25) From: Alchemist John
Just to toss this out, and sideways.  I am not sure why, but I really 
hate the term 'spro.  It's just so damn american lazy IMO.  Why do we 
have to bloody' shorten and cutesy everything up.  Ugh.  It's 
espresso.  Shoosh, I guess I am working on curmudgeon status.
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26) From: Tom Ulmer
Indeed. My initial thinking when I first viewed the contraction was that it
was a coffee plant seedling or a children's show character.

27) From: Eddie Dove
I'll second that emotion ...
Eddie
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28) From: miKe mcKoffee
IMO using 'spro not so much different than using IMO:-)
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29) From: John A C Despres
Hmmm. IIRC, 'spro being short for espresso, made it's appearance first in
the texting jargon of today's youth and IMNSHO isn't so bad. We've used
abbreviations for yrs.
That said, I suppose texting jargon is not a good way of communication as it
belittles our wonderful language and teaches bad habits. Nome Sane?
Therefore I will henceforth refer to espresso as espresso.
And, John, enjoy your new status. It can be fun at times.
Wht r u drnkg 2day?
John
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30) From: Michael Wascher
No. If you want an acrntm for espresso it would be "E".
--MikeW ... on a vacation trip, haven't had any good E on this trip since we
stopped at Susan's Coffee in Kent, OH
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31) From: Joseph Robertson
2 shay miKe,
But I have to agree with John on this one. I find some things deserve more
respect. The more I work with coffee and especially Espresso the higher I
raise my shot glass to this wonderful world of the dark side we all share.
I'm curious though John or anyone, is it American lazy or a semi secret
world of abrivations most posters and bloggers enjoy?
Call me old school but I would just as soon type it all out than keep up
with all the short hand language of the blog world.
I guess I'm in line for curmudgeon status too John.
JoeR
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32) From: miKe mcKoffee
In some professional barista circles 'spro is a term of endearment not
disrespect for espresso. Why used? Who knows. I do know I've never heard the
term used by any sub-standard wannabe espresso establishments. So maybe a
way to differentiate from the "espresso" signs seen in windows everywhere
and the dreck served at art studios to zoo food vendors. Maybe 'cuz some
think it's just sounds hip, slick and cool. 
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33) From: Alchemist John
I think the crux is the respect aspect you mention.  And 'spro just 
makes me think of someone trying to sound hip and in the know 
(teenager like), when they are just blowing smoke.  I am not sure 
where the term originated, but I have seen it in print and spoken, so 
I don't think it is just a poster or blogger thing.  As for IMO, when 
I read it, I 'read' all three words.  When speaking, I would and have 
never said 'imo'.  I have URL as 'erl' and LOL spoken and every time 
it has been by a teenager and it sounds asinine mostly because they 
don't actually know what the abbreviations mean (I've asked).  Not 
that I think those that use 'spro don't know it means espresso.  I 
just find I that more times than not, I see the term, and blow off 
the rest of the post because it kicks in the blowing smoke (or is 
that BS ;) sensor.
Finally, all that said, of course I would hope and expect you know it 
is nothing personal Mike, and we can and have agreed to disagree in the past.
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34) From: Sandy Andina
"'spro" doesn't drive me nearly as crazy as hearing pizza referred to  
as "'za."
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35) From: Angelo
In my neighborhood and family, pizza was called pizza AND "a-beetz". 
Not much of a shortening - both 2 syllables. I guess it's the change 
in accent that sounded better to these peeps.
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36) From: kevin creason
Oh that'll get some people arrested or a bad reputation-- "gimme a double
shot of E"-- I think I'll stick to the lovely and beautiful word "espresso".
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37) From: Michael Irrera
John,
I agree with you wholeheartedly. It grates on my nerves every time I  
read it.
Truth be told, the netspeak does, to some extent, too.  I know I can't  
beat it, so I quietly protest by writing everything out.
Maybe it's just my natural inclination towards verbosity.  Or that I'm  
getting old.
-AdkMike
Now get off my lawn.
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38) From: Alchemist John
Yeah, same visceral reaction.  And this is the first time I have 
heard about pizza's demise.
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39) From: raymanowen
... hearing pizza referred to as "'za."
And, if it has anchovies, could be referred to as "Dinner."
Not saying that Pizza is necessarily a component of a food group.
"Beer and Pizza" is such a component...
Cheers, Mabuhay and Magandang Gabi -RayO, aka Opa!
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40) From: Brad Baker
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"Za" for pizza? Never heard that one.  I much prefer the basic "pie"
as in, "Hey! Youz want somothis pie or what?"
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41) From: Andy Thomas
I understand what you mean, John, although 'spro doesn't bother me much. Th=
e word that makes my skin crawl is cuppa.
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Just to toss this out, and sideways.  I am not sure why, but I really =
hate the term 'spro.  It's just so damn american lazy IMO.  Why do we =
have to bloody' shorten and cutesy everything up.  Ugh.  It's =
espresso.  Shoosh, I guess I am working on curmudgeon status.
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42) From: John A C Despres
Ah, Cuppa. As opposed to 'spro, cuppa has been in print since 1923 in
Wodehouse's "Sam The Sudden". It's truly a colloquialism, an
abstraction of "cup of" much like ain't is historically a contraction
of "am not".
Verbosity is a grand thing in my mind. Perhaps it increases the chance
of clarity. I look at historical letters and often think "I wish I
could write like that". Napoleon to Josephine, John to Abigail,
statesman to statesman. These were skilled letter writers.
E-mail and texting has brought us to the brink of truncated thoughts.
In this too-much-to-do and no-time-to-get-things-done world, it seems
we may have reduced our communications to little tiny, chopped off
thoughts and I wish this weren't so.
I still have letters, yep, actual letters written to me by  a friend
in the service of our country 25-28-30 years ago. I treasure these
artifacts not just as missives from another land, but as an example of
a time, even in my own lifetime when personal communication was much
more clear.
Given the conversational nature of our e-mails and other electronic
communique, it's easy to lose track of emotion when one line makes
more sense to the sender than it might to the reader(s). Sitting at
the same table, that same communication could work just fine with all
the other communication skills we possess. Abbreviations have taken
over, it seems.
Hell, someone, sensing this problem, invented emoticons - someone
perhaps who understood communication skills were being abandoned for
shortened words and shorter thoughts. Or they were invented by someone
so lazy, they couldn't be bothered to write a complete thought. In any
event, could you just see Napoleon professing his love for Josephine
with smiley-face emoticons wrapped in a heart? What a historical
document that would have been!
What's this got to do with 'spro and cuppa? Probably very little,
except to say, while these terms may grate on us, we can let them pass
us full-word-writers by.
JMO. (Just my opinion)
JD (John Despres)
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43) From: Allon Stern
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I always thought there should be a vegetarian vietnamese restaurant  
called "faux pho"
(pho is usually meat based) which leverages the french influence on  
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44) From: Eddie Dove
Bravo!  That was magnificent read!
Respectfully,
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45) From: Ira
At 05:54 AM 11/14/2008, you wrote:
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Not to say it means anything but I first ran into emoticons in around 
1985 on BIX. It may have had to do with the $20/hour and 1200 baud 
modem speeds of the day, but more likely it was someone trying to be 
cute. It seemed like most of the really good ones there came from 
jdow. Then it took imagination, now it just takes clicking the 
appropriate face in your mail program. I think then it also tended to 
mean more as you had to think about what you said. There were no 
spell checkers and editing your message between when you wrote it and 
when you sent it was difficult enough I tried to keep from having to 
do that. Those who had mastered VI had a bit easier time of it.
And another nice thing about those days, no one ever included 500K of 
nonsense and put "I agree" at the bottom.
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46) From: Edward Bourgeois
Shall I criticize Faulkner for his long paragraphs? My dad who very
much spoke with his hands? Cultures that communicate by makeing
clicking sounds? Kids that cry to express themselves? Rappers whos
cadence and words are tough for me to understand? Hippies who make a v
with their fingers to express peace? Should I judge a book by it's
cover? A product by it's name? A person by their name? Personally, I
think the english language is far from perfect and am often lost when
trying to find the right word. I now find myself much more tolerant
when it come ALL forms of communication and expression.
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47) From: Tom Ulmer
The essence of proper and effective communication is predicated by tolerance
in my mind. I do however question whether approval should come without
opinion, thought, or precious conversation.

48) From: Sandy Andina
Actually, around Chicago the Vietnamese pronounce "pho" as "fuh" (as  
in "duh"). So "What the Pho?" is a brilliant double entendre.
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49) From: Sandy Andina
It's an east coast frat-boy thing. (Disclaimer: I am originally from  
the east coast and I was in a sorority).
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50) From: Sandy Andina
I've heard "cuppa" used mostly by British folks to refer to what used  
to be called a "spot" of tea.
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51) From: Bob Glasscock
John,
That is so...so....so...on target. While there are communications modes that
demand brevity - Morse code is a good example - or telegrams (remember
those?), but everyday discourse has truly become distilled ad absurdum. For
example, yesterday I texted my granddaughter asking her to take care of a
couple things when she got home from school that evening. My response from
here was "K" which I suppose means "OK." OTOH I love the punny business
names.
Bob Glasscock
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Ah, Cuppa. As opposed to 'spro, cuppa has been in print since 1923 in
Wodehouse's "Sam The Sudden". It's truly a colloquialism, an
abstraction of "cup of" much like ain't is historically a contraction
of "am not".
Verbosity is a grand thing in my mind. Perhaps it increases the chance
of clarity. I look at historical letters and often think "I wish I
could write like that". Napoleon to Josephine, John to Abigail,
statesman to statesman. These were skilled letter writers.
E-mail and texting has brought us to the brink of truncated thoughts.
In this too-much-to-do and no-time-to-get-things-done world, it seems
we may have reduced our communications to little tiny, chopped off
thoughts and I wish this weren't so.
I still have letters, yep, actual letters written to me by  a friend
in the service of our country 25-28-30 years ago. I treasure these
artifacts not just as missives from another land, but as an example of
a time, even in my own lifetime when personal communication was much
more clear.
Given the conversational nature of our e-mails and other electronic
communique, it's easy to lose track of emotion when one line makes
more sense to the sender than it might to the reader(s). Sitting at
the same table, that same communication could work just fine with all
the other communication skills we possess. Abbreviations have taken
over, it seems.
Hell, someone, sensing this problem, invented emoticons - someone
perhaps who understood communication skills were being abandoned for
shortened words and shorter thoughts. Or they were invented by someone
so lazy, they couldn't be bothered to write a complete thought. In any
event, could you just see Napoleon professing his love for Josephine
with smiley-face emoticons wrapped in a heart? What a historical
document that would have been!
What's this got to do with 'spro and cuppa? Probably very little,
except to say, while these terms may grate on us, we can let them pass
us full-word-writers by.
JMO. (Just my opinion)
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52) From: Demian Ebert
Looks like I stirred up an unforseen horents nest with the contraction of
espresso to 'spro. That was a complete surprise, but I have to say that my
initial response was something to the effect of "oh good grief." I agree
with MiKe's earlier posting. Is the use of 'spro that different that IMV 08,
 IMNHO, or the complete abbreviation of a personal name? Seems like is
shouldn't matter what you call it when it lands in your cup as long as you
like what you're drinking. Is the American public lazy? You bet. Have new
forms of communications been invented in the last few years? Absolutely. I
would agree in general that there's been a gradual decline in the writing
ability of the public. Forms of communication (email and text messaging)
that are so fast do not force people to think about where each word goes and
what that word means. However, those other methods all feed back into this
list. Many of us participate in this community via smartphones or
blackberries. I don't think I'll ever text someone a single letter, but who
knows.
And finally, Cuppa is OK because it's been around since 1923 and 'spro
isn't? I don't buy that for a second. Google has been around for a far
shorter period of time and is an accepted verb.
Demian (drinking a fine dripped cup of Columbian Las Florestales in my hotel
room in Sacramento)
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53) From: Edward Bourgeois
Maybe another way to look at this is how high does the name of a
product rank when you buy a product and even more important when you
consider buying  that product again?
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54) From: Allon Stern
On Nov 14, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Sandy Andina wrote:
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Actually, around Vietnam the Vietnamese pronounce "pho" as "fuh" too.  
What a coincidence!
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55) From: Angelo
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I think you might be trying to apply logic to a form of "poetry". I 
don't think the objections to the contraction, "'srpo" have to do 
with an objection to contractions of "espresso",  but rather to the 
fact that it doesn't sound/look right to many people. Perhaps, 
another would be more universally accepted. To me, it just doesn't 
have the hook. Plus, it doesn't save much time, speaking or typing. 
OTOH, IMNHO does save a lot of typing...
In general, acronyms save time (AST). I'll take "IBM" over 
"International Business Machine" any day.
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To paraphrase a common expression, Necessity, or more often, Laziness 
is the mother of Invention. I mean, do we really NEED a TV remote control?
I believe it was Henry Ford who said that if he wanted to get a job 
done most efficiently, he would hire a lazy man to do it...
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As Russell Baker says in his "Ten Rules Of Grammar", "Never use a 
long word when a monosyllabic one will do"
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Again, some new things catch on, while others don't.
Ciao,
Angelo, looking to see if there's a coke in the fridge.
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56) From: John A C Despres
No, Demian, I did not wish to imply one is any more OK than the other.
I should have been more clear about that. Cuppa has a documented
history since 1923, that's all, no preference given, none intended.
Cuppa drives another lister nuts as much as 'spro does to yet another.
I've used 'spro before and may again. I've used cuppa before and may
well again. But I've come to find out those are terms that make few
folk here twitch, so I may reduce my use of them here while posting to
this list. Personally, I kinda like cuppa. Cuppa Joe? Don't mind if I
do.
To answer a question, I think IMV is different as it is initials just
like using SM for Sweet Maria's. I do have to say, though, I was
afraid to ask what IMV meant the first 30-40 times I saw it here. Once
I figured it out, I bought 10 pounds. And loved it.
John - Enjoying a wonderful shot of Yemen Mokha Ismaili.
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57) From: Sandy Andina
It's fine by me as long as you don't say "expresso."
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58) From: Edward Bourgeois
Sandy
We have a "Java Hut" here in wmass. By Pierce Bros. Roasters. They had
a drive through that they closed a few years ago but I think just
opened one at a different location.
Ed B.
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59) From: Dave
I'm with you on that one! "expresso" REALLY bugs me.
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60) From: John A C Despres
It depends how fast they are...
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61) From: Brad Baker
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"Expresso". That's the way they say it France.  How about other places
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62) From: Allon Stern
On Nov 17, 2008, at 6:22 PM, Dave wrote:
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On the other hand, if you're searching ebay or craigslist for an  
"expresso" machine, you may find a deal on one that folks searching  
for an "espresso" machine will miss. The seller is also less likely  
to know how much the thing is really worth, which leads to either way  
overpriced machines, or very good deals.
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63) From: Demian Ebert
I agree with that one. I've corrected my mom more than once. Now she gets
annoyed with me but still manages to pronounce the x that doesn't exist.
Demian
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64) From: Mike Koenig
Allon, you outed my secret search strategy!  :)
Found a few worth bidding on this way, but my threshold for maximum
bids on eBay is pretty low considering some of the horror stories I've
read, so I haven't gotten a deal this way yet.
--mike
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65) From: Barry Luterman
Also works for Zassenhaus look under Fassenhaus
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66) From: Michael Wascher
FYI: "expresso" is in at least one English (cap E, as in British) dictionary
as an alternate spelling/pronunciation.
What really bugs me is folks who correct me when I say "expresso" by
claiming that it isn't Italian ... and claiming that espresso is.
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67) From: Angelo
I've never understood why that bothers people so much... The meaning 
is exactly same.
The Italian language, afaik, doesn't have an "X", and uses "S" in 
it's place.  If it means "fast" or "to express (press out)" in 
Italian, it can also mean the same in English with the "x".
We don't seem to be very consistent in our use of foreign terms as 
regards the coffee experience. I rarely see anyone on the list 
referring to "tazzi" for cups..." a cup of Joe" should be said "una 
tazza de Guiseppe" - quite a mouthful (pun intended) :-) Consistency, 
my friends, consistency!, although I think it was Oscar Wilde who 
said, "Inconsistency is a sign of genius".  We have a lot of geniuses 
on this list...
End of caffeine-induced ramblings,
Angelo
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68) From: Andy Thomas
Are you saying the word "espresso" is not Italian, or the drink?
From: Michael Wascher wascher
FYI: "expresso" is in at least one English (cap E, as in British) dictionary
as an alternate spelling/pronunciation.
What really bugs me is folks who correct me when I say "expresso" by
claiming that it isn't Italian ... and claiming that espresso is.
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69) From: Allon Stern
On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Tom Ulmer wrote:
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Just catching up with it, but in the episode titled "Comfort Food",  
which aired on 12/03/08, when Emerson is first shown, he is preparing  
and pouring a cup of coffee in what looks to me like a Yama Tabletop :)
Anyone else catch that?
Sadly, the show has been cancelled :(
Check out the wikipedia entry again....
-
allon
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70) From: Lynne
Allon -
I saw that episode when Emerson (lovingly, I might add!) made that cup of
coffee - didn't know what type of apparatus it was.
I am so upset they canceled it. This was my absolute favorite show - it was
so different, though, I guess it didn't appeal to the masses... on the other
hand, the network never really promoted it. The show seemed to have gotten
caught in the crossfire with the writers' strike in the beginning.
:-(
Lynne
(I do think they are still showing the episodes online, so others might
still be able to watch that one.)
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Allon Stern  wrote:
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