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Topic: New-to-me Mazzer Mini (19 msgs / 364 lines)
1) From: Jim De Hoog
I pulled the trigger and bought the used Mazzer Mini. Looking forward to=
 making it doserless, have a couple of ideas floating around already. Pi=
cked it up tonight for $275. Boy is it quiet. I think that it is quie=
ter then my Zassenhaus.
Jim =
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2) From: Jim Gundlach
Jim,
     Please share your ideas, I have an older Major and someone makes  
a kit but they say it does not fit all older Majors and they don't  
have any way to describe which ones it fits so I would have to buy the  
kit and disassemble my Major to find out if it works.  Not the way I  
like to do things.  I'm willing to go with something homemade if it  
looks like it has a good chance of working.
      pecan jim
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3) From: Mike Koenig
Plan to deal with clumps if you convert it to doserless...
--mike
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4) From: Joseph Robertson
Great point miKe. Most who have not worked with doserless wouldn't see it
coming.
JoeR
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5) From: Barry Luterman
I went from a dosser less Rocky to a dosser Mini. In the beginning I hated
the dosser. After about a month I started to appreciate it. Now I would not
consider going back to a dosser less model.
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6) From: Seth Grandeau
What causes the clumping?  I went from a conical burred Maestro to a flat
burred (Ray, don't make fun) Rocky and I was surprised at the clumps coming
out.
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7) From: Barry Luterman
I think it caused by static electricity caused by the grinding process.
Using a dosser breaks up the clumps.
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8) From: Mike Koenig
As the grinds come off the burrs, they are compressed into a narrow
chute, much like sausage.  Any time you press small particles together
they tend to form clumps.  Static electricity and other forces cause
this.
When you have a doser, the drop from the chute to the doser floor
helps to break them up ,and the motion of the  vanes also helps.  If
you thwack the doser while grinding, you really put in a lot of motion
to break up all the clumps.
--mike
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9) From: Seth Grandeau
Is there something different about the mechanism of a conical burr grinder
that doesn't cause clumping.  I did not have the same issue with my Maestro
(though it should also be noted that it could not grind fine enough for
espresso, so maybe I just answered my own question).
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10) From: Barry Luterman
You are right. Answered your own question
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11) From: raymanowen
And note that the clumps are packed to the most efficient compaction
possible.
If you tamp properly, the whole puck will be packed as well.
Cheers, Mabuhay and Magandang Tanghali -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?
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12) From: james McDougal
Oh, no! I just put the Maestro Plus on my Christmas list (along with a
Behmor). The description of the MP says it is good for occasional espresso
uses. I don't currently make espresso but perhaps will in the future. Is the
MP out? Should I change to the Virtuoso?
Jim
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13) From: Barry Luterman
If possible go right to a Rocky. Saves upgrading later on if you do move to
the dark side.
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14) From: james McDougal
Thanks Barry! In an ideal world, but I think that's out of Santa's range
this year. Even the extra $50 for the Virtuoso may be extravagant this year.
Is the MP OK for occasional espresso like it says on the SM website? Anybody
use the Maestro for espresso occasionally?
Jim
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15) From: Seth Grandeau
James, I have the Maestro base model, not the plus.  It may be better.  All
I can say is that the Rocky is WORLDS better than the base Maestro.
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16) From: Hugh F
I used a Dualit grinder for espresso (50 GBP, similar to a Starbucks Barist=
a and Solis 166, i.e. below a Maestro) for several months with a Gaggia Car=
ezza espresso machine (basic, but pump-driven). I was very unhappy with the=
 results - good shots were few and far between. Moving to a Rocky did not h=
elp much but that may well have been down to my skills rather than the Care=
zza. However, I bought a Dualit for french press use for my parents as a Ch=
ristmas present and it has done a very good job for 3+ years; I've enjoyed =
many good coffees there.
So long as you can buy a better grinder for espresso use later then more se=
nsible grinders will do for non-espresso use, although vacuum pot may be mo=
re critical =
(i.e. be more demanding with grinder quality for any brewing method where p=
article size controls both brewing duration and extraction, not just extrac=
tion). =
If you wish to save money on the grinder, I'd very strongly recommend : **d=
on't** do it when grinding for espresso.
So, if you are very sure you want to brew espresso later then I'd suggest b=
uying a decent basic burr grinder like the Dualit/Barista/Solis 166 now and=
 save your money for espresso grinding later. =
For good sensible espresso use in the UK we have the worm-drive Iberital MC=
2 at 125 (personally, I see it as comparable to the Rocky in grind quali=
ty) but I believe it is sold in the USA under another name and I am unsure =
of the US name. =
If buying a serious espresso grinder without going completely crazy I would=
 go for a Macap M4 doser grinder with worm drive stepless adjustment myself=
; the Macap doser sweeps cleanly and reputedly the Mazzer doser needs tweak=
ing to do that. I am NOT a fan of the Rocky - I used mine near a sink and m=
uch of the black paint flaked off.
Cheers,
Hugh
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17) From: John A C Despres
It depends on what kind of espresso you want. I have a Virtuoso, and
for the past several months, it's been pretty good. Until I started
learning more about making it. Now I'm buying a Mazzer Mini.
The Virtuoso doesn't grind fine enough. But the Mini may not appear
under the tree unless you drop something else from the list...
My advice is go past the Virtuoso to whatever you can afford. The
Baratza folk are great to deal with and Kyle (the designer of these
mills) is very fun to talk to. Just don't get him started on the
subject of static...
It's tough, this addiction.
Once I have the Mazzer Mini and with the Tecnivorm, I'll renovate the
kitchen to include a first rate coffee counter (Mine, all mine!) after
that, all I'll need is a top notch espresso machine to replace the
Breville (which isn't to bad), then I'll be in business!
John
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18) From: raymanowen
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:52 PM, james McDougal wrote:
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19) From: raymanowen
"Should I change to the Virtuoso?"
Good call, and the way to do that would be to get a couple of sets of the
Virtuoso burrs. They install same as the Maestro burrs but you can't
intermix Maestro and Virtuoso burrs
Make sure nothing has broken, like the six fingered slinger beneath the
center burr or the grind adjustment ring. One or two of the fingers could
break off the slinger- no problem, but it has to be there as a spacer. The
grind adjustment ring won't break by itself. It only serves to index the
fine/ coarse grinding icons and stops to the grind adjustment nut.
I ground one 14g batch of miKe's fine Kona roast with SMP burrs before I
changed out the plug to a three prong grounded connector*. I thought the SMP
was doing well for normal grinding, but the difference for all grinds was
like night and day when I switched to the Mazzer Major plug.
After two years, the new Mazzer burrs I installed are still razor sharp.
Save your money on equipment upgrades. You will spend a lot of money on
small upgrades, to the extent hat you will be eternally filched for shiny
toys at no performance gain.
Cheers, Mabuhay and Magandang Gabi -RayO, aka Opa!
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