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1) From: Bob Brashear
Plans have been initiated to change lifestyle and become waterborne.
We're talking live aboard on a 60 foot plus trawler/cruiser and sailing
the world. I will give up or put in storage a large part of my library.
I will change to a portable blacksmithing rig (onshore only!). I will
change many things BUT NOT MY COFFEE. Anyone with experience storing
green beans in a marine environment? A howto would be greatly
appreciated.
Bob
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2) From: miKe mcKoffee
If ever there was a strong case for vacuum sealing greens that is way up on
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3) From: Bob Brashear
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Mike,
It's currently number 1. Just have to find a "robust" system. 
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4) From: Barry Luterman
This is the one I have .Got it at Costco for 145. It's excellent and comes
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5) From: Frank Parth
I don't have an answer to your question, Bob, but man, am I extremely jealous.
Frank
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6) From: Bob Brashear
On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 15:07 -0800, Frank Parth wrote:
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Frank,
A lot of work went into this and there is still a lot of work to be
done. I still see two years minimum before we set off. Had this dream
since I was 20. Figured I start now gathering the most important info,
the coffee!
Bob
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7) From: Brian Kamnetz
Bob,
What sort of roasting options will you have, and which seem the best to you?
Brian
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8) From: Bob Brashear
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Brian,
I see a Behmor with a Hottop in reserve. Don't think a setup like Les or
Mike K would work very well.  ;)
Power systems in the boat could easily handle both roasters going at
once. Now, the espresso machine and grinder are going to have to be
considered carefully. Ooops, sorry, grinder and then espresso machine.
Bob
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9) From: Scott Miller
Wasn't Dennis True roasting aboard ship when he was deployed? He might
have some helpful ideas.
cheers,
Scott
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10) From: MikeG
I'd like to suggest 'tinfoil packet' roasting atop the exhaust manifold.
Do remember to drop engine revs at the onset of 1C to allow a pause to 2C.
:-)
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11) From: Allon Stern
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12) From: raymanowen
"Wasn't Dennis True roasting aboard ship when he was deployed?"
Gotta remember, the Dwight David Eisenhower CVN69 develops over a quarter
million horsepower, = almost 200 million watts. Power to spare...
Cheers, Mabuhay, Magandang Gabi -RayO, aka Opa!
Not exactly a mechanical Guppy...
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13) From: Scott Miller
I'm sure that power was helpful when it came to storing green beans .
cheers,
Scott
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14) From: Frank Parth
Bob,
Here's the current state of my dreamhttp://fparth.com/H28/H28home.html.It's got way more than a couple of years 
before it's ready!
Frank
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15) From: Bob Brashear
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Frank,
She's gonna be beautiful when finished. I've bookmarked the site and
will keep up with progress.
Bob
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16) From: Seth Grandeau
Bob,
I hope there will be a website to track your trip.  Good luck with getting
her fixed up.
-Seth
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17) From: Bob Brashear
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 11:15 -0500, Seth Grandeau wrote:
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Seth,
But of course!
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I think that's Franks' dream. Mine will be in the 60 foot class. And
built for me. I hope (will) be involved in design and construction.
Frank has a hell of a lot more gumption than I ever will. Rebuilding
takes character.
Bob
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18) From: Bob Glasscock
Wow, Frank! Is she going to be a ketch type motor sailer?
Bob Glasscock
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Bob,
Here's the current state of my dreamhttp://fparth.com/H28/H28home.html.It's got way more than a couple of years 
before it's ready!
Frank
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19) From: MichaelB
Bob,
For espresso, get a manual lever machine. IMO an Olympia Cremina would be
best. Turn it on and in 12 minutes you can be pulling 1 - 6 shots of
espresso or cappuccino. Turn it off, let it cool, and a couple of hours
later you can refill and start all over again. These machines have a small
footprint that should be ideal for a floating kitchen. Home-Barista dot com
has a forum devoted to levers with all kinds of comparative information
about new and used machines.
You can get a manual grinder, Zassenhaus or equivalent will give you grinds
suitable for espresso. Re electric grinders, if size is an issue and you
think a Rancilio Rocky or Mazzer Mini are too large, I've read about a
Le'Lit grinder. It is supposed to be great for espresso but is hard to
adjust quickly for other kinds of grinding like press poot, filter, etc.
Keep us informed of your progress so we can dream along...
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20) From: Steve Barber
Michael,
I am not sure that I have had any press poot coffee. Doesnt really sound too
good.
Happy Thanksgiving,
Steve
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21) From: Angelo
For the price of a new Cremina, one could get a very nice pump 
machine. I don't see the advantage. They would both need electricity 
to run. It also seems a pain to only get six shots and to have to 
wait till it cools down to refill it. As for the footprint, he could 
get a Krups Gusto (very cheap on ebay) which gives surprisingly good 
espresso results, and you can just keep pulling shots. It has about 
the same footprint as the Cremina. I have both.
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22) From: Bob Brashear
Michael,
Thanks for the advice. Took a look at the Cremina and will start
gathering info. Will probably be able to go electric on the grinder, but
a Zass backup would be handy.
The boat may run on diesel, but the captain requires espresso!
I like the thought of pulling into Oakland and stopping by SM for
several hundred pounds of beans for the circumnavigation.
Allon Stern (a list member) wrote about his sisters' adventures, which
she posted and this has led to some other sites devoted to what we plan
to do. The next couple of years will be busy. The espresso machine and
grinder will come before the boat. Have to learn proper technique. After
all, I need to keep my priorities straight!
bob
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23) From: raymanowen
"The boat may run on diesel..."
Hmmm- the Universal Atomic 4-banger marine engine has a distributor, spark
coil and spark plugs. The carburetor has throttle and choke plates = gas,
Not Diesel. They're not glow plugs! -ro
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24) From: Bob Brashear
On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 02:53 -0700, raymanowen wrote:
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A lot of the motor yachts use diesel engines. Deere, Cummins etc.
Probably an age old war between advocates of both, possibly worse than
an operating system war.
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25) From: raymanowen
CAT makes an industrial engine that is used in Marine service, the D-398TA.
$100Big (used), normally about 800 HP. The Universal Atomic 4 could be
rigged to start the big engine, with the water jackets paralleled and the
starter exhaust run through a heat exchanger in the diesel's intake
manifold.
The operator gets things turning and goes inside for an early coffee break
Or maybe the Maytag will be in dry dock at 20 below zero F!
Cheers, Mabuhay, Magandang Hapon -RayO, aka Opa!
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26) From: Randy
FoodSaver is the way to go.  Check out ebay for bags.  There is a guy 
there that sells bags or rolls that work GREAT with the Food Saver 
(better than the real FS bags, IMHO) and are a heck of a lot cheaper 
than Food Saver's confiscatory prices.
Randy
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27) From: Barry Luterman
Which one?
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28) From: MikeG
I grabbed one of the nicer foodsaver units new off the local want ads
for $100 not too long ago.   Because I have 2 years+  worth of beans
on hand I've sealed them all up in 9oz packages and no worries as to
when I'll use them up.
I use the 8" wide rolls.  One thing I do is copy the text of Tom's
roasting and flavor notes off the SM bag label and print them off on a
1/2" x 3" piece of paper and include a copy in the bag before sealing.
 It only takes a few minutes to make the labels and there will never a
mystery bag of greens on the shelf.
While I'm disclosing, here is what's in my stash.  I have way more of
most of these than my consumption justifies.   I'm not much for
variety or experimentation.  When I find something that scratches the
itch I don't have a problem ordering 20lbs.
Yemen Mohka Mattari
Guat Oriente DP
CR Helsar Villelobos
CR Ocana
Java Tatal
Orange Bourbon
Needless to say, everyone I know will be receiving roast coffee for a
christmas gift this year.
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29) From: Brian Kamnetz
I've been a little surprised at the amount of trouble the people have
with their pump machines. Barry is the most recent, but it seems that
there is a pretty steady trickle of problems. I'm wondering whether a
lever machine might be a bit more reliable. Reliability in the
espresso machine is not as crucial as reliability in the engine, but
is still highly desirable, of course.
Brian
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30) From: Bob Brashear
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I'd have to say reliability is everything. As Frank said, "try getting
parts in the south Pacific". I'm talking espresso machines and grinders
as well as engines. Doing lots o' research.
Bob
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31) From: Barry Luterman
Brian it wasn't the pump that went but the controller. The thing that looks
like a PID but isn't.
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32) From: Bob Glasscock
Good observation, padre.
-Bob Glasscock

33) From: miKe mcKoffee
If you plan on keeping vac'd greens around 2+ years you'll need to freeze
'em or they'll still fade and then go baggy. Not as fast as more traditional
storage methods, but they will none the less.
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34) From: MichaelB
I've only had my Cremina for 25 years so can't say for sure if it will last
forever  But I am sure it will outlast me.
If your pattern of espresso drinking is one or a few drinks with or after
meals, and a few drinks at break times, it fits the bill perfectly. If you
want to pull many shots for lots of people continuously then it will not
work for you.
Also, it has a (well deserved) reputation as a forgiving machine, meaning
you can pull world class shots over a wider range of conditions than many
other machines. And it thrives on a steady diet of Monkey Blend and a wide
range of SOs.
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35) From: MikeG
"Why does there always have to be a problem?! "
George Castanza - Frogger Episode
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36) From: MikeG
Mike you did get me to thinkin'..........
The reason I vac sealed the beans is I live in dry, dry Utah and I
wanted to prevent them from drying out significantly from the ambient
humidity found in San Francisco.
Given that a higher quality vac bag is an effective moisture barrier,
I wonder if it might be better to simply seal them up rather than pull
a vacuum on the package?
Thoughts?
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37) From: Royalcoffeedubai Fzco
Try www.tightpac.com vacuum containers, they are perfect for coffee
Sam
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Mike you did get me to thinkin'..........
The reason I vac sealed the beans is I live in dry, dry Utah and I
wanted to prevent them from drying out significantly from the ambient
humidity found in San Francisco.
Given that a higher quality vac bag is an effective moisture barrier,
I wonder if it might be better to simply seal them up rather than pull
a vacuum on the package?
Thoughts?
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38) From: dennis true
I Was roasting onboard the IKE Now I'm Roasting in Cuba my Z&D didn't  
survive the trip to cuba so thanks to a fast thinking Kris McN I am  
loving the HG/DB she provided...
Thank you Kris!!!!!
Guppy nope but lots of critters in the ocean!!!!
Dennis
AKA
FC1(SW/AW) Dennis True
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On Nov 26, 2008, at 1:30 AM, raymanowen wrote:
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39) From: Bob Brashear
On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 16:05 -0600, Bob Brashear wrote:
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Oh wow. I've gone back in time!
Or is the mail server hiccuping?
Bob
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