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Topic: Azkoyen espresso machines (21 msgs / 479 lines)
1) From: Sheila Quinn
Has anyone here ever used an Azkoyen Bravo? If so, what are your 
impressions?
I found one for a really good deal, but I don't hear this brand mentioned.
Thanks!
Sheila
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2) From: Jim Gundlach
Sheila,
      I have never used one but I found this set of posts associated  
with one:
          http://cactuseb.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html      Looks to me like the people who use one get it right down in  
Australia.
            pecan jim
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3) From: Sheila Quinn
I think it's probably overkill for home use, but I hate to pass up a 
bargain! The price on the one I found is actually less than a Silvia, 
but retail is around $3k.
Sheila
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4) From: Mike Koenig
Sheila,
It looks like a good deal,  but just keep in mind that this looks to
me like a full-blown commercial machine, which leads to a few quirks
for home use:
1.  They typically need 220V, so you might need to think about power
requirements, not familiar with this exact machine, so I don't know
what it needs.
2.  They almost always need to be plumbed in (or used with a pump on a
water bottle).  Drain will need to be plumbed as well.
3.  They almost never fit under kitchen cabinets, so make sure you
have the space.
If you can handle all those, then it looks like you have a good deal.
--mike
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5) From: Sheila Quinn
Yep, that's why I think it might be overkill...even if it's a good deal! 
The one I'm looking at is the Bravo "Compact" model, so it would fit in 
the space. It's also only one head, not two or three as in the other 
photo. I've been searching for decent specs to see if it's 110 or 220 
volt, as well as whether or not it would be to be plumbed in. My cousin 
could do the plumbing work, if needed...but the 220 volt could be a 
problem since I think it would be expensive to add that to my kitchen. 
The spec sheets I've found are not very detailed. I guess I have to talk 
to the seller about it, and I'm waiting to hear back.
But here's the deal: I'm looking for a high-quality machine for home 
use. The others I've considered would be the Nuova Simonelli Oscar and 
the Expobar Pulser. If anyone has another idea, please let me know!! 
However, this one seems like a steal...IF it would work for me.
My Gaggia Baby is sitting in the garage since it went "pop" and quit 
working, but I was never completely happy with it. I'd rather have 
something else, so I think I should get one that will last forever and 
won't give me upgrade fever again. I'd like to keep it at $1,000 or less.
Thanks,
Sheila
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6) From: Michael I
Sheila,
Since you mention the Oscar, and are looking at a real commercial machine,
I'll throw this in.  I'm looking for a setup for a friend down the street
(in this case, the "friend" actually is a friend, and not me, I'm happy with
my Spaz Vivaldi II and Macap M4).
So, I've been watching CL in my area (Boston) to see what pops up, and
someone is selling a year-old Nuovo Simonelli Appia 1 group semi for $1k,
which was supposedly used only one month of that time.
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retailer now). 
Since my buddy doesn't want to have to plumb in, and because this is a
pretty serious machine to start off with (he doesn't need a 5L boiler), I'm
not going to pursue it.  It may be gone by now for all I know.
But, here's the link in case you're interested, and wouldn't mind
transporting the machine from the Boston area (sorry--I don't know where
you're located). http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/hsh/939464251.html-AdkMike

7) From: Barry Luterman
The new Brewtus III has just been released. They run on 110,15 amp circuits.
They have 2 boilers, PID, come in a rotary pump model which has to be
plumbed in and a vibe pump model which does not have to be plumbed in.
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8) From: Michael Dhabolt
I just last week received a Alex Duetto and set it up for a customer
of mine.  It had a couple of minor shipping related problems that had
to be sorted out, with the help of the tech folks at Chris Coffee the
fixes were smooth (great support).
The machine is a dual boiler with rotary pump and E61 group head,
built like a tank. other than the above mentioned fixes, the only
thing I had to do was reset the offset and temperature target in the
PID to 201 degrees F.  The shots are absolutely exceptional (should
add some more adjectives).  Impressive machine.
One of the deciding criteria for this lady was that she wasn't totally
convinced of where in her kitchen the machine would find a permanent
location, there are several options.  The Duetto has a reservoir and
doesn't require plumbing in permanently, but can be easily plumbed in,
when and if desired.
Mike (just plain)
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9) From: Barry Luterman
It looks good but notice it is more expensive than the Brewtus. Also will it
work on a 15 amp circuit?
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10) From: Michael Dhabolt
Barry,
I really like the Brewtus, this machine has a few features that
recommended it in this particular situation.
Barry Luterman
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They call for a 20 Amp circuit, but I checked it at 13.7 Amp with both
boiler heaters on, and while setting it up I shifted it to a 15 amp
breaker for three days without a problem.
It is more expensive.  I directed my customer towards this particular
machine because:
I was impressed with the consistent shot quality.
Pretty close to 'God Shot' quality several times within the first half
hour of use.
A five second pre-flush if the machine has sat for a half hour or so idle.
Rotary pump.
Intra shot temperature profile within 1.5 degree F every time I
checked (Scace device).
Absolutely no plastic on externals or internals of the machine.
Huge (comparatively) drain tray.
Ease of shift over from reservoir to plumbed in.
A switch to turn the steam boiler off when not needing steam
(Americano drinkers).
Mike (just plain)
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11) From: Barry Luterman
I've been very pleased with mine and the service has improved immeasurably
since Todd Saltzman has gotten involved with the service department.
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12) From: Michael Dhabolt
Barry,
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I've heard that from a couple of other folks.  Good move on their part.
BTW, when can we expect the pleasure of your company?
Mike
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13) From: Barry Luterman
Hopefully in the spring when my wife is well enough to travel.
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14) From: Edward Bourgeois
Mike
I know someone who I believe just got a Alex Duetto (that was her
choice last I knew) I ended up with her original Giotto. Haven't heard
yet how she likes it.
Ed
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15) From: Michael Dhabolt
Barry,
I hope she feels better before then!  Looking forward to seeing you guys.
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Edward,
She'll love it.  I had to juggle the PID offset and brew set point a
bit .... pretty good instructions provided ..... took about 10
minutes.  The machine is a geeks dream and performs exceptionally for
someone without too much discipline or a fully developed skill set
(that wasn't meant to be derogatory).
Sounds like you made out well in the deal,  which model Giotto?  It
seems like Rocket makes several variations.  IMHO all of them are
awfully good performers at their price point.
Mike (just plain)
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16) From: Edward Bourgeois
Mike
It's the original standard ECM Giotto 1999(very nice shape). I guess
the new Rockets have a larger 1700w element and some larger water
lines and a couple other better components. It has a pressure
stability issue but I haven't had time to trouble shoot it yet(just
arrived 2 days ago). Came with a new Biesse brain too $$, guess they
thought the old one was bad but it didn't make a difference when it
was swaped. My first look will be for scale issues in the rather
undersized tubings(have heard this can be an issue with the early
Giottos). I will have to look more closely at the new Rockets to see
if I can/should do some upgrades while at it.
Ed
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17) From: Sheila Quinn
I've decided to pass on the Azkoyen because it's just "too much machine" =
for my house. However, if anyone wants to check it out (either you have =
a huge professional kitchen or a café) I will send you the info. It's =
about a $3k machine, priced at only $600. Would be a steal for someone!
I hope it was okay to mention it here, but SM's doesn't sell these anyway.
Sheila
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18) From: Michael Dhabolt
Edward,
A good aggressive Citric Acid flush thru all plumbing circuits can
accomplish wonders sometimes.  Pressure stability issues can commonly
be isolated to the OPV and/or the check valves on the inlet and outlet
of the thumper pump.  I toss the Citric Acid solution until there is
no visible debris in the solution when it comes out of the group.  As
soon as it is uncontaminated with solids I pour it back into the
reservoir while still hot and recirculate, it will help clean up the
pump, check valves and OPV.  I always do this with the body work
removed and inspect all the plumbing (especially if there are soft
tubes) during this operation.  It goes without saying that thorough
flushing of both the steam and brew circuits with good water is
required as soon as possible after the acid flush.
There are good primers on these evolutions at Home Barista.
Mike (just plain)
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19) From: Jim Wilson
Sheila said:
My Gaggia Baby is sitting in the garage since it went "pop" and quit 
working, but I was never completely happy with it. I'd rather have 
something else, so I think I should get one that will last forever and 
won't give me upgrade fever again. I'd like to keep it at $1,000 or less.
Thanks,
Sheila
~~~Just a hunch but if the machine just quit working (ie-no power), sounds to me that perhaps the thermal fuse blew.  Have had it happen a few times to me (I'm pulling shots with a Gaggia Classic)  The fuse is very easy to replace and costs only $2-$3, if that is the problem (no power).  BTW, there is a very nice technical group on Yahoo for Gaggia consumer machine.  Feel free to joinhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Gaggia/This is an active group in that if anyone has a problem, there is always someone that will jump in and help.  One of the two group owners is particularly qualified at handling any troubleshooting problem as he has had many years working with this line of machines.  I've only owned my Gaggia 9 months but understood when I was told that these machines will last forever, so long as you replace a part when it wears out
You will find some mods for your machine on that group to make it more to your liking, perhaps, but I certainly understand upgradeitis.  What's the old saying?, the grass is always greener over the septic tank= : - )  
Jake
Reddick Fla.
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20) From: raymanowen
"...220 volt could be a problem [?] since I think it would be expensive to
add that to my kitchen."
Research and get the machine that does what you want. Just install it once
and be done with it.
Maybe you're happy with your Land Barge. Payments, tax, insurance, license,
maintenance and motion lotion go on and on...
Big decision- anybody can drive a Land Barge. Only a few people can brew
decently good coffee drinks with an espresso machine. Onstar or espresso?
Cheers, Mabuhay and Magandang Hapon -RayO, aka Opa!
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21) From: Rich
If you have an electric cooktop or oven then you have 240vAC in the 
kitchen already.  Then the question becomes one of adequate wiring 
ampacity for the increased load.
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