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Topic: Took the plunge...Behmor is on the way! (26 msgs / 658 lines)
1) From: an iconoclast
I've been thinking about getting a Behmor ever since it was available, but
wanted you all to test it out first. Now, since there's snow on the ground
and temps are predicted to go into the single digits, I've never tried any
sampler much less an 8 lb sampler, SMs takes a few days off during the
holidays, I have 2 weeks of vacation to test it and it's the end of the tax
year for Zigzag Roasters, I took the plunge and ordered the Behmor and the
small grid drum. I think it will supplement HG/DB/BBQ side burner 2 lb
roasts quite well.
I've read all Tom's material and will read it again. I've kept most of the
Behmor posts and will read them again. Any words of wisdom that I might have
missed or should pay particular attention to?
Thanks for all your testing!
Take care,
Ann
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2) From: raymanowen
Read The Fine Manual first, before you plug it in. Review it twice and
picture exactly what settings and adjustments you're going to make, and why,
before you light it up.
With the 1 pound roast capacity, you won't get a chance to do much roasting
and tweeking to perfect the different coffees.
Cheers, Mabuhay and Magandang Umaga -RayO, aka Opa!
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3) From: Ken Knott
Part of the reason I prefer the GC... smaller roast size, means more roasting!!
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4) From: Dave Huddle
I got my Behmor last year at Thanksgiving time.  My wife and I are
thankful that I bought it.
The ability to roast 1/4 to 1 lb batches is extremely handy for us.
This wide range of capacity and the price are two reasons I decided to
get the Behmor.
Mine didn't work properly out of the box, but a phone conversation
with Joe Behm (on Thanksgiving Day) allowed me to take care of the
problem.    Others on the list have also praised Joe's customer
service.
As Tom and Joe have told us - Don't leave the roaster while it is in use.
I've never had a fire in mine.   I clean the chaff catcher with a non
abrasive Shaklee product, and wipe the inside with a paper towel
moistened with Simple Green, followed with a water moistened paper
towel.
ONE WORD OF CAUTION - If you use a shop vac to remove the chaff from
the interior, be sure that the vac hose is attached to the vacuuming
side, not to the blowing side!   Trust me!!
Dave
Westerville
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5) From: Paul Helbert
Roast 190 to 220 gram batches. You have more control midrange than at
the one pound (upper limit). Keep a log. Stay by the machine
especially late in the roast.
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Paul Helbert
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for. -Laurence J. Peter, educator and author (1919-1990)
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6) From: g paris
hi ann:
you will love your Behmor. I found it a wonderful machine.
congratulations, keep us posted.
ginny
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7) From: Brian Kamnetz
Congratulations, Ann. I could tell you were excited about the prospect
of a Behmor and I'm happy that you decided to take the plunge. Keep us
posted on how it goes.
Brian
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8) From: Benjamin VerHage
Congrats on your purchase. I've had mine for almost a year now and love it.
Cleaning cycles every 5 roasts are important. After each roast I vacuum out the roaster and use a brush to get all the chaff out. I'll also wipe it down with a damp cloth. Before each cleaning cycle I clean the inside really well with simple green and then go over it again with a damp cloth. It might be overkill, but I want to keep the thermocouple area as clean as possible to keep my roast times/results consistent.
There are numerous warnings about roasting DP and high chaff coffees. I roast these a lot and the only time I had a fire was when I went a bit into 2nd crack. Usually I aim for a C-C+ roast on these coffees and have never had a problem doing that. YMMV of course.
Be careful to observe the first couple minutes of cooling as well. My fire started after the cooling cycle started because of all the air getting pumped in to the chamber.
I cut a small window in the chaff collector to aid in seeing the roast. It's a great mod and really helps to see the beans as they roast. It lets a bit more chaff escape the chaff collector, but a quick vacuuming takes care of that afterward. I can post a picture if you're interested in seeing it.
Ben
From: an iconoclast 
To: homeroast
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 11:14:56 PM
Subject: [Homeroast] Took the plunge...Behmor is on the way!
I've been thinking about getting a Behmor ever since it was available, but
wanted you all to test it out first. Now, since there's snow on the ground
and temps are predicted to go into the single digits, I've never tried any
sampler much less an 8 lb sampler, SMs takes a few days off during the
holidays, I have 2 weeks of vacation to test it and it's the end of the tax
year for Zigzag Roasters, I took the plunge and ordered the Behmor and the
small grid drum. I think it will supplement HG/DB/BBQ side burner 2 lb
roasts quite well.
I've read all Tom's material and will read it again. I've kept most of the
Behmor posts and will read them again. Any words of wisdom that I might have
missed or should pay particular attention to?
Thanks for all your testing!
Take care,
Ann
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9) From: Stephen Carey
At Ray said, read the manual, then again, then review it in your mind 
and picture your first roast.  He had post something like that before 
I did my first roast in responce to someone else.  I am very happy I 
followed his advise, for things have gone wonderfully ever since.
And it cleaning it, I clean mine almost exactly as Dave does, 
including, I bet, the same Shaklee product.  I think Simple Green 
does a very good job of truly cleaning the machine, but isn't 
abrasive, so you are safe there.
I learned about the machine with 1/4 pound roasts, and as was posted 
elsewhere, doing so gave me more opportunities to roast.  Now I do a 
lot of 1/2 pound for my use, but will do 1/4 for friends to try, 
which hooks them.  I end up, when time permits using my Behmor to 
roast for others using beans they ask me to order.
My brother just lost his job - not a good thing.  But, they are in 
good shape for a few years, if it turns into such a thing; though he 
is highly regarded and will get picked up soon.  In the meantime he 
called me and asked me how to get started with home roasting - my 
first true convert who has gone all the way to roasting their own.  I 
have him my IR2, which I love, and he is getting a Behmor.  He is a 
true learn it in the mind before doing it when it comes to things 
like this, he will get it right on both machines.  Though, when he 
has been down for a visit, he has really liked it when I used the Behmor.
Have great fun, read the posts, ask for help and you will do well, 
learn even more, and be drinking heaven in a cup - and it will be a 
heaven you helped create.
Stephen
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10) From: Bob Hazen
IMNHO....  Learn to finesse P2.  Aim for a several minute gap between the 
end of 1st and the start of 2nd.  This is done by adjusting the start time 
prior to roasting or as others have done by adjusting bean mass.  Lots of 
stuff out there in the archives.  If you like, I will send you a spreadsheet 
to help understand the quirks of P2 (and the other profiles).  Ira has 
published his Behmor Thing which is way more sophisticated than my simple 
spreadsheet.  His is a Mercedes, mine's a Yugo.  Both will get you there.
Bob
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11) From: james McDougal
Ann - no doubt you will enjoy it! I asked Santa for a Behmor and am using it
(but promised to put it back under the tree on Christmas!). I've roasted
maybe 25# in a whirley pop and really enjoyed that and learned a little
about the process. I've done about 10 roasts so far in the Behmor.
The most interesting thing for me was the difference between a 15:10 cool
and a 16:00 cool with SM espresso monkey blend on P4. The first one was a
little under done FC+ and the second one was burnt - actually had to restart
the Behmor to cool because of the overtemp condition. 20-30 seconds can make
a tremendous difference in the roast. It's going to take some finesse but
the Behmor appears to do very reproducible roasts.
Enjoy, Mac
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12) From: Barry Luterman
After abou 50 roasts I lost my first roast yesteray, It wasn't even my
fault. Rught in the middle of first crack we had a power failure. The beans
that were in contact with the metal drum burnt. It is a darn good roaster.
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13) From: an iconoclast
Thanks, everyone, for their suggestions and sharing my anticipation. I've
never had a real automatic roaster. The closest was a Poppery 1 when I first
started homeroasting. I can't believe I'm not going to have to stir and stir
and stir!
I absolutely love operating manuals and will have it memorized before I
start. I just bought 6 universal remotes and am in the process of
programming them for many relatives.  That will keep me busy until my
roaster arrives...along with shoveling snow to make sure the UPS truck can
get through..
So, is there a sweet spot for roasting? Paul suggested 190 to 220 gram
batches, but that's a half pound or less :-(  I guess it won't matter as
much roasting small batches as with HG/DB/BBQ roasting. I won't have to drag
my big coffee back full of paraphenalia outside to the BBQ.  I guess I could
do less more often. When we roast for selling or giving coffee away, we need
to roast at least 4 lbs if we want some left over for ourselves, so will
leave that to manual roasting.
How does decaf do in the Behmor?  Since I tend to drink more decaf than my
husband, the Behmor would be convenient for that. The benefit is no chaff to
catch on fire.
I'll report back.
Take care,
Ann
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14) From: Bruce Garley
You should be able to do 1# light roasts without a problem. Behmor sets a
maximum roast time based on the weight initially selected and this might be
restrictive for darker roasts. I would suggest standardizing the weight
being used then vary the other settings around that. I roast 1/2# at the 1#
settings, but there's no reason not to roast 3/4# at the 1# setting. That is
likely enough to still get a dark roast and you would get closer to the kind
of through-put you may be looking for.
Bruce Garley
Plant Whisperer
San Juan Capistrano, CA
 
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15) From: Michael Dhabolt
Ann,
I just perused this thread and didn't find a mention of the 'BEHMOR
THING' software.  Could have missed it.  Thanks go to Ira for the
software.http://www.extrasensory.com/BehmorThing.htmI've found it to be useful.  My main roaster is still the 'Ubber
Popper', primarily due to the level of control over the profile.  But
periodically I need something to do larger batches of beans for which
I'm not too picky about the profile.
I don't have my notes close at hand right now - but it seems like I
can load 3/4 lb of greens and increase the time on the 1 lb setting to
max and I see the drop in power just a little before 1st starts -
perfect.  I stop the roast prior to the final jump back to 100% power
at the end of P2 for a City+ / Full City- roast.  You will need to
figure out the particulars for your particular machine, good exercise
in practical math and good observational skills.
The download page has some great instructions on how to use the
software / roaster to identify what settings and bean loads will get
you to the point (using P2) where the power level will decrease at a
point just before 1st crack and allow stretching the roast until 2nd
(or just before). IMHO That stretch to 2nd is important (for me).  The
software seems to have a bunch of tools like inventory etc. that may
be useful also.
Sounds like you guys are getting a serious blizzard on the mountain
today.  The mountain looks real nasty from my side.  Good day for a
fire in the fireplace and a good book, maybe hit the boards a little
later in the week.
Mike (just plain)
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16) From: Paul Helbert
I suggested 190 to 220 grams because:
1) I like to get a one pint canning jar full as a result.
2) The 1# setting leaves me free to use any initial time the machine
is capable of producing.
3) You get two roasts from a one pound sample package.
I'm sure you will find your own rhythm as time passes. I usually just
measure, set 1 #, reduce time between 13 and 14 minutes, hit P2,
START. In cold weather I precede this with a one minute warm up of the
empty machine.
All the comments have been good, especially those counseling keeping
it clean. I need to open mine up and vacuum out the wood sanding dust.
My shop (where the Behmor lives) is full of the dust from building a
small wooden sailboat.
The bad news here is that I'm on doctor's ordered coffee restriction
to see what's up in my mid section. One cup per day for a week. So, in
the interest of science, I'm skipping coffee altogether some days and
taking it to ten days instead of just a week for good measure. If the
condition persists, then we know it's not coffee and go to
antibiotics, followed by expository tubes poked into my insides, etc.,
until we find out what's going on, or I'm broke, or both.
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17) From: Dave Huddle
I routinely roast a pound into the beginning of 2nd crack with no
trouble.   I usually hit the cool button before the Behmor has run out
of time.  Once in a while I use the + button to extend a roast.
Tonight, 2nd crack continued gently for ~30-45 seconds after I hit the
cool button with  some Colombia "Perros Bravos de Huila".  My external
count up timer was at 20:10.
Dave
Westerville, OH
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18) From: MikeG
Dave I've got to assume that's using P1 profile?  Do you get much of a
pause between 1C and 2C with that bean/wt/profile?
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19) From: an iconoclast
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Michael Dhabolt
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Hey Mike,
With HG/DB/BBQ, I roast totally with my senses.....maybe I'm not ready for
this!!  Now that I'm doing Medical Informatics Nursing fulltime, tracking
and reviewing data seems like work, not leisure. But, I looked at the
software and I like it. Maybe I'll make it a project. I'm taking my 3
education days for work before the end of the year and decided to become
competent in Word, Excel, Access and PowerPoint, so I'll be in the mode.
Snow doesn't often allow much rest and relaxation. We shovel paths out the
doors, across the decks and through the property constantly.  That beautiful
snow tends to melt slightly, get very lumpy and then freeze
solidly...especially with the expected arctic weather on it's way.  The very
first year we were here, we learned to plan where we might need to go a week
or two after the storm ends and create the paths while the snow is new and
light rather than trying to deal with ice that causes old people like us to
slip and fall and strain our already compromised joints. Then there's
getting the grandkids, ages 7 and 3.5, in and out of their snow clothes and
snowshoeing and sledding down our driveway. Today, we happened upon a Water
Ouzel bobbing and diving along our creek and in the ponds on our property.
It was awesome!  We've seen them here 3-4 times in the last 10 years. They
are just the most amazing birds!
My husband and I never get each other Christmas gifts, but sometime around
the holidays, we buy something we've wanted for awhile. It looks like this
year it's the Behmor. It'll be fun to discuss roast profiles!
Take care,
Ann
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20) From: Jim Wilson
From: an iconoclast >
To: homeroast
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 11:14:56 PM
Subject: [Homeroast] Took the plunge...Behmor is on the way!
I've been thinking about getting a Behmor ever since it was available, but
wanted you all to test it out first. Now, since there's snow on the ground
and temps are predicted to go into the single digits, I've never tried any
sampler much less an 8 lb sampler, SMs takes a few days off during the
holidays, I have 2 weeks of vacation to test it and it's the end of the tax
year for Zigzag Roasters, I took the plunge and ordered the Behmor and the
small grid drum. I think it will supplement HG/DB/BBQ side burner 2 lb
roasts quite well.
I've read all Tom's material and will read it again. I've kept most of the
Behmor posts and will read them again. Any words of wisdom that I might have
missed or should pay particular attention to?
Thanks for all your testing!
Take care,
Ann
~~~~FWIW,  I have been using a Behmor since July anyways.  I have logged 61 roasts with it to date.   Most roasts at the beginning I was using the 1 lb default cycle, then I started using
 1 lb/P3/C and have kept with this profile.  At this setting I measure out 12 ounces of beans.  This will get me to Vienna.  In the heat of the summer (high humidity too) I've had to add time to the end of the cycle (no biggie) to reach Vienna.  with cooler temps and lower humidity, I'll hit Vienna before the cycle has completed and will initiate the cooling cycle to stop it from remaining in 2nd crack too long.
Using this profile, most of the beans will hit 1st crack and there will be some time (minute +?) before it rolls into 2nd crack but today I roasted 12 ounces of SM's current offering of Mexican Chiapis with this cycle (1/P3/C) and 2nd crack started right at the end of first crack, no time in between 
As others have said, it's a good idea to wipe down the interior after each roast cycle.  I use water damp paper toweling, getting the window good so I can see what's going on with the next batch.  When the roast residue builds up I hit it with a degreaser and follow with a water rinse (damp towel)
I'd have to look at my notes but I think it was around the 30th roast, the afterburner gave up the ghost.  Easily replaced (top front of the roaster), Behm shipped me two n/c lickety split, so I have a spare on hand  
As I mentioned earlier in this reply, I have no experience using the various profiles other than (1/P3/C).  I like this profile and can easily hit FC or Vienna at will (I'm a capachino ristretto espresso drinker).  I typically will roast 5 lbs of the same bean from start to finish so I know what the bean will do in the roaster.  Beans will change when something new comes along but I have found by sticking with the same bean for at least 5 pounds, you know what the bean will turn out like using the same profile.  My experience has been this roaster will roast quite consistently using the same profile and roasting the same bean.  Ambient temp and humidity will affect it though and having said that, I roast out in my garage on top of a freezer chest.  I find the roaster is too smoky to roast indoors, even under my range hood, just not enough ventilation for me so I keep it out in the garage with the garage doors open for ventilation
Another advantafge for me roasting in the garage, it's fairly quiet there and I can hear what is going on with the roast.  For me, audible signals is everything when using this roaster and this is a quiet roaster.  Differentiating between first crack and 2nd snap is a no brainer (for me)
At this point, I don't have any complaints using the Behmor to roast my beans.  Customer service the one time I needed it was exemplary
One more thing...during one of the roasts, the house power went out.  You can't restart this roster using a roast cycle when it's interupted in the middle of a cycle, you must restart using the cool cycle and let the cool cycle run all the way to the end (this protects the electronic circuitry).  I thought I'd salvage this roast for at least to use for sink shots (I detergent back flush my espresso machine daily) but after smelling the roast waft during the 2nd roast attempt, I knew I didn't want those beans to contaminate my grinder so into the compost they went
Jake
Reddick Fla.
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21) From: Ira
At 03:55 PM 12/13/2008, you wrote:
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I usually do 12 ounce batches on the 1lb setting.
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22) From: Ira
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23) From: webviking6
I've had extremely consistent roasts on my Behmor.  Keep it clean, weigh 
out your beans consistently before you roast and you can't go wrong.  I 
almost always use P2 for 19 minutes for 1 lb (454 grams) and I get very 
consistent city plus to full city roasts with the beans I prefer.  I 
usually roast Ethiopian or Yemeni beans.  And actually the variability 
of the beans affects the roast more than anything more than any 
variability of the Behmor from roast to roast if you keep your settings 
the same and the weight of your batches consistent.
Once you get the roast you want for the type of bean you are roasting, 
I've found that you can get rock solid repeatability out of the Behmor.
It's a great machine.
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24) From: an iconoclast
It's been shipped and it's due to be delivered on Thursday!  The temp is
down to 13 degrees tonight and 4-16 inches of snow on Wednesday.  But, I
have a hunch it will make it through just fine. Since, I have a coffee order
due next week, it might get broken in quite quickly if it stays this cold
out.  Can't wait to see what kind of beans come in the sampler.  Thanks for
all your tips, tricks and data.
Take care,
Ann
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25) From: raymanowen
" I prefer the GC... smaller roast size, means more roasting!!"
That's kinda the same reason I wanted a lower powered car than the 6-banger
Studebaker. Just pull three of the plug wires and it would slow down so I
could enjoy driving it for a longer period of time
Note the machine in the image when you mouse over my email addy. I stuck
that exact engine with the three 2's in Dad's '58 Fairlane 500. I got it
from a comtemporary of Dad's at LeTourneau in Peoria. Had been one of the
homologation engines from FOMOCO parts dept.
The mill spent 8 hours in his Chris Craft speed boat on the Illinois river
before I got it. The compression ratio (11.3:1) was incompatible with the
low octane gas available at the river marinas or the IVY Club. 115/145 Avgas
helped me run it slow, but when it was consuming fuel at the damn Bronco's
normal rate, you were changing zip codes.
I always wondered what to do with the heat rejected to the exhaust and water
jacket, minimal though it was due to the high cr. Roasting anything never
crossed my mind.
Just like any other V8 at the time, it spent most of the time on the center
two. Happily, when the last of the motion lotion passed the center float
bowl, the secondaries were full. The T10 whined as I advanced to the nearest
gas station. Traffic exigencies sometimes called for the same.
Cheers, Mabuhay and Magandang Umaga -RayO, aka Opa!
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26) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
Ann,
I routinely roast 151 g of decaf in my Behmor. I do 1/3 lb lots so  
they will fit in our canning jars and it lasts me an appropriate  
length of time. The decafs roast fine but as I recall the distinction  
between 1C and 2C is not pronounced so you have to be careful.
BTW - I also roast caffeinated beans. Usually 227 g lots when I know  
there will be others at home to help me. With the holidays coming soon  
and kids coming home I may need to roast 1lb lots :-).
dave
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