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Topic: poor-man's kona? (14 msgs / 502 lines)
1) From: Benjamin VerHage
One of my friends/coworkers mentioned a while back his love for Kona coffee (he frequently visits Hawaii). For xmas I roasted him a 1/2# of Moki's Farm Kona (FC). He loved it of course and wants me to order and roast him some more. Now I'm not sure if it's the Kona beans themselves, or just the taste of good, fresh-roasted coffee that he loves (he brought me some "good" beans from Brazil and they were dreadful). I was thinking of roasting him something that is somewhat similar but cheaper just to experiment and see if he digs it as much. I don't particularly love Kona, it's good but I don't find it worth the price when compared to a good Ethiopia or Kenya, which I have a decent amount of. Any suggestions? I was thinking a nice Columbian or Panama maybe. I listed my stash below.
Ben
Columbia Cauca-Finca El Roble (4-star)    0.50
Columbia Huila-Finca Las Mesitas (4-star)    0.50
Columbia Huila Pitalito - WP Decaf    0.50
El Salvador Matalapa Estate Peaberry    2.00
Espresso Monkey Blend    2.00
Ethiopia Dry-Process Koratie    3.75
Ethiopia Harar Horse DP - Lot 17406    0.50
Ethiopia Kembata Grade 4 Dry-Process    1.50
Ethiopia Organic Idido Misty Valley DP    1.50
Ethiopia Organic Yirga Cheffe    0.75
Ethiopia Wet-Process Koratie    4.50
Java Kajumas Curah Tatal    1.50
Kenya AA Auction Lot #758 - Hiriga    1.00
Kenya Auction Lot #425 - Karimikui Peaberry    1.50
Kenya Auction Lot #643 - Mutitu    2.00
Moka Kadir Blend    2.50
Nicaragua Limoncillo Java Longberry Cultivar    0.50
Panama Boquete Golden Peaberry    1.50
Panama Boquete Lerida Estate "Miel"    1.50
Panama Carmen Estate 1800+ Meters    0.50
Panama Esmerelda Gesha Lot 10    0.50
Sulawesi Grade One Toraja    1.00
Sumatra Blue Batak "Tarbarita" Peaberry    1.00
Sumatra Lake Tawar 19+ Extra Bold    0.50
Yemen Mokha Sharasi    1.00
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2) From: John Mac
Nice stash Ben !
I'd probably hit him with the Kenya Mutitu at FC+ or the Panama Carmen
Estate 1800m at FC. I got into this crazy wonderful world of home roasting
chasing a good cup of Kona, like the one I had years ago and took forever to
find again. And now through Tom's wonerdful world of green beans, I have
found that there are so many more coffees out there, that have much broader
flavor profiles that the Kona. I still love a great cup of Kona but would
have far more fun roasting and drinking my way through your stash.
Enjoy!
John in Nor Cal
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3) From: Les
The Panama 1800 meters would be my first choice, second choice would
be the Panama Peaberry.  The El Salvador would be a good choice, but I
don't want you to throw your pearls before the swine.  From you stash,
I can see you like coffees that are much different than a good Kona.
Les
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4) From: Benjamin VerHage
Thanks! I kept ordering more and more as I saw Tom's new offerings and just=
 had to try them. Before I knew it I had too much (well, you can't really h=
ave too much coffee, but you know what I mean). I've been trying to thin ou=
t the stash a bit by roasting for xmas presents. It's worked pretty well ac=
tually. I've been roasting 12oz batches, 8 to give away and the rest for me=
. It's been nice having a big variety of roasted coffee to choose from in t=
he morning. Actually, my roast last night was #50 on the ol' Behmor.
I purchased a few of the varieties for use with my new (used) LaPavoni leve=
r machine. Unfortunately when I first used it I discovered a leak at the he=
ating element, so it's waiting for new gaskets and seals before I can use i=
t. Once I get that up and going I'll be going through the stash even quicke=
r (hopefully). There's too many new coffees out there that I need to try!
Ben
From: John Mac 
To: homeroast
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:59:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] poor-man's kona?
Nice stash Ben !
I'd probably hit him with the Kenya Mutitu at FC+ or the Panama Carmen
Estate 1800m at FC. I got into this crazy wonderful world of home roasting
chasing a good cup of Kona, like the one I had years ago and took forever to
find again. And now through Tom's wonerdful world of green beans, I have
found that there are so many more coffees out there, that have much broader
flavor profiles that the Kona. I still love a great cup of Kona but would
have far more fun roasting and drinking my way through your stash.
Enjoy!
John in Nor Cal
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5) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Wow - I an think of quite a few, but I am AMAZED that none of them 
are on that crazy long list of yours! First thing that comes to mind 
are really balanced Central America Typica coffees. Many times a 
Mexican Oaxaca is first on the list, but lately they have not been 
good. The Costa Rica Typica (Helsar) and the Villa Sarchi would be 
ideal. We have a new Organic Colombia en route that fits the bill. I 
guess if I had to pick one that strikes that balance from the list, 
it would be the Nicaragua Limoncillo Java, it has a soft cup, and the 
unique Java flavors arent so overhelming ... but everything else are 
very distinct coffees, markedly different than Konas. Maybe the 
Panama Golden PB is 2nd . We actually do have Konas just shipping 
now, FYI, should be here in mid January. Kowali Farm won top spot in 
the "larger farm" category at the competition this year. That is en 
route, along with a new one that has had really nice preship samples. 
Anyway, thats too late for your situation. In any case, I compliment 
you on an amazing list of really "chracter-driven" coffees.
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6) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
I forgot to mention that other Nicaraguas can be very Kona-like, 
Nueva Segovaias in particular. We had a lot early this year that I 
would nominate in a Kona Klone Kompetition... I am sure Mr MCKOna has 
thoughts on this - Mike?
Tom
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7) From: Seth Grandeau
Every time I read something Tom writes, it ends up costing me money. :)
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8) From: Les
Tom,
I agree with your choice of the Nicaragua Limoncillo Java, but he only
has a half pound left in the stash, and I put that one in the "pearls
before the swine" category.  Some coffees are best saved for yourself!
 (Some may say that isn't much of a Christmas Spirit, but I had to
watch my brother grind some of my precious Kenya Githumbwini when I
was visiting at 10:00 at night and then he set his timer for a 5:30am
brew.  That was criminal in my opinion!  It only had shades of its
true character.)  Tom, why did you rule out the Panama 1800 meters as
Kona like?  I find it very Konish at a city to city plus roast.  I
liked your description that his stash was character driven.  It is a
nice stash!
Les
P.S.  I am sure Mike McKoffee is cringing at the content of this
thread.  Sorry Mike!
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9) From: Les
Ben,
Please indulge me, but I am having a lot of fun with your thread.  I
guess I just like to think about coffee, and tonight I get to roast
two new ones that I just got from Tom.  So to quote my favorite coffee
expert, Tom Owens,
"There's some debate about what coffee is the most exclusive, rarest,
most outstanding in the cup ... a debate I always find particularly
elitist and boring. There is no single "excellent coffee" out there,
it's not a peak you scale with one dramatic spire, and one perfect
little cup of coffee waiting for you on top. If you market coffee
packaged in a wine bottle, grown on a trellis, or scavenged from
rodent excrement, it doesn't make it good or even rare. It's just a
bunch of hoopla. Further, if you try to distinguish a set of truly
excellent coffees, carefully processed, with dynamic cup character,
you still end up with no single winner, since excellence in coffee
means suiting the polymorphus aspects of the human senses. Luckily,
great coffees are as diverse as our senses used to appreciate them."
So in light of that wisdom,  from your stash I would roast this fellow
up a sample of the Ethiopia Wet-Process Koratie and the Sumatra Blue
Batak "Tarbarita" Peaberry.  In my opinion, the Wet-Processed Koratie
was the best coffee I have had this year.  It is better tasting than
the ultra high priced Lot 2 Panama Gesha that I bought. (Please
remember Tom's quote above!).  The Blue Batak is a very smooth
wonderful coffee.  This will give your friend a wonderful diverse
experience by sampling two excellent coffees from two different
regions with a nice contrast of character.
Les
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10) From: Benjamin VerHage
I agree with the Limoncillo Java as well, but like you said, I only have a =
half-pound left. I only ordered a pound but I wish I ordered more. It's def=
initely a soft, smooth cup. Tastes almost like somone added cream to it.
From: Les 
To: homeroast
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:49:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] poor-man's kona?
Tom,
I agree with your choice of the Nicaragua Limoncillo Java, but he only
has a half pound left in the stash, and I put that one in the "pearls
before the swine" category.  Some coffees are best saved for yourself!
(Some may say that isn't much of a Christmas Spirit, but I had to
watch my brother grind some of my precious Kenya Githumbwini when I
was visiting at 10:00 at night and then he set his timer for a 5:30am
brew.  That was criminal in my opinion!  It only had shades of its
true character.)  Tom, why did you rule out the Panama 1800 meters as
Kona like?  I find it very Konish at a city to city plus roast.  I
liked your description that his stash was character driven.  It is a
nice stash!
Les
P.S.  I am sure Mike McKoffee is cringing at the content of this
thread.  Sorry Mike!
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11) From: Benjamin VerHage
Thanks Tom. And thanks for making them available to us. It's your descripti=
ons that sold me on all of them. Haven't been disappointed yet!
Ben
From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 
To: homeroast
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:09:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] poor-man's kona?
Wow - I an think of quite a few, but I am AMAZED that none of them are on t=
hat crazy long list of yours! First thing that comes to mind are really bal=
anced Central America Typica coffees. Many times a Mexican Oaxaca is first =
on the list, but lately they have not been good. The Costa Rica Typica (Hel=
sar) and the Villa Sarchi would be ideal. We have a new Organic Colombia en=
 route that fits the bill. I guess if I had to pick one that strikes that b=
alance from the list, it would be the Nicaragua Limoncillo Java, it has a s=
oft cup, and the unique Java flavors arent so overhelming ... but everythin=
g else are very distinct coffees, markedly different than Konas. Maybe the =
Panama Golden PB is 2nd . We actually do have Konas just shipping now, FYI,=
 should be here in mid January. Kowali Farm won top spot in the "larger far=
m" category at the competition this year. That is en route, along with a ne=
w one that has had really nice preship samples. Anyway, thats too
 late for your situation. In any case, I compliment you on an amazing list =
of really "chracter-driven" coffees.
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ee (he frequently visits Hawaii). For xmas I roasted him a 1/2# of Moki's F=
arm Kona (FC). He loved it of course and wants me to order and roast him so=
me more. Now I'm not sure if it's the Kona beans themselves, or just the ta=
ste of good, fresh-roasted coffee that he loves (he brought me some "good" =
beans from Brazil and they were dreadful). I was thinking of roasting him s=
omething that is somewhat similar but cheaper just to experiment and see if=
 he digs it as much. I don't particularly love Kona, it's good but I don't =
find it worth the price when compared to a good Ethiopia or Kenya, which I =
have a decent amount of. Any suggestions? I was thinking a nice Columbian o=
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12) From: Benjamin VerHage
I like that idea too. Glad this post got some responses. I was hoping it wo=
uld stir up some discussion when I posted it.
Ben
From: Les 
To: homeroast
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:08:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] poor-man's kona?
Ben,
Please indulge me, but I am having a lot of fun with your thread.  I
guess I just like to think about coffee, and tonight I get to roast
two new ones that I just got from Tom.  So to quote my favorite coffee
expert, Tom Owens,
"There's some debate about what coffee is the most exclusive, rarest,
most outstanding in the cup ... a debate I always find particularly
elitist and boring. There is no single "excellent coffee" out there,
it's not a peak you scale with one dramatic spire, and one perfect
little cup of coffee waiting for you on top. If you market coffee
packaged in a wine bottle, grown on a trellis, or scavenged from
rodent excrement, it doesn't make it good or even rare. It's just a
bunch of hoopla. Further, if you try to distinguish a set of truly
excellent coffees, carefully processed, with dynamic cup character,
you still end up with no single winner, since excellence in coffee
means suiting the polymorphus aspects of the human senses. Luckily,
great coffees are as diverse as our senses used to appreciate them."
So in light of that wisdom,  from your stash I would roast this fellow
up a sample of the Ethiopia Wet-Process Koratie and the Sumatra Blue
Batak "Tarbarita" Peaberry.  In my opinion, the Wet-Processed Koratie
was the best coffee I have had this year.  It is better tasting than
the ultra high priced Lot 2 Panama Gesha that I bought. (Please
remember Tom's quote above!).  The Blue Batak is a very smooth
wonderful coffee.  This will give your friend a wonderful diverse
experience by sampling two excellent coffees from two different
regions with a nice contrast of character.
Les
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13) From: Ira
At 11:09 AM 12/19/2008, you wrote:
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Funny you should mention that. The first coffee I ever bought a 
really lot of was exactly that, 1984 or so one bag showed up at the 
local coffee roaster that I got greens from and it was by far the 
best coffee I'd ever tasted.  Sadly he didn't know what it was or the 
next bag was completely different, don't remember, but I remember 
that one bag of coffee. Funny that!
Ira
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14) From: miKe mcKoffee
Thoughts? Not really, I'm brain dead!:-) (Feel like it sometimes...)
A good Kona is a good Kona, a good Guat' is good Guat', a good Panama is a
good Panama etc. with myriad variations of most all origins. Appeciate the
differences. A good New York steak isn't a substitute for a good Rib Eye,
both beef but different tastes and textures. Oh sure there are some coffees
with similar characteristics of some Kona, but that's not my point. 
A "poor-man's Kona" would be low elevation lifeless Kona. A "substitute" cup
profile for Kona when Kona can't be afforded might be many coffees (many
mentioned) that are rich, smooth, balanced with delicate acidity and a long
lingering finish.
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