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Topic: la pavoni pro - refurb (12 msgs / 436 lines)
1) From: Benjamin VerHage
The LaPavoni Pro I got off eBay for $400 bucks, supposedly well maintained with the seals recently replaced, has some issues. I first powered it up to do a descale and see if it was working properly. Shortly after I discovered a big puddle forming underneath. Upon seeing that I disassembled the whole thing to see if anything else was wrong. I determined the leak was coming from the heating element (bad gasket). I ordered a new one along with a full seal kit. Figured as long as I had it apart I might as well replace all the seals.
Today I removed the boiler in order to replace the seal. First thing I noticed was 1/16" (no kidding) of scale buildup on the coil. I've never seen anything like it. I also saw the same amount on the bottom 1/2 of the tank. The chrome on the sealing surface had corroded and made some paths for water to escape past the seal. Hopefully the new seal will fix that. I took the heating element and stuck it upside down in a pint glass filled with Dezcal. It's bubbling and fizzing like no tomorrow. Hopefully with enough soak time it will all come off. I'll have to fill the tank after it's reassembled and do the same.
I'm dreading finding some other probem(s). Hopefully it's worth the time and money to fix it.
Ben
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2) From: Robert Yoder
Ben, have you contacted the seller?  Sounds like misrepresentation to me.
 
Happy Roasting,
 
robert yoder> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:05:00 -0800> From: benjaminverhage> To: homeroast> Subject: [Homeroast] la pavoni pro - refurb> > The LaPavoni Pro I got off eBay for $400 bucks, supposedly well maintained with the seals recently replaced, has some issues. I first powered it up to do a descale and see if it was working properly. Shortly after I discovered a big puddle forming underneath. Upon seeing that I disassembled the whole thing to see if anything else was wrong. I determined the leak was coming from the heating element (bad gasket). I ordered a new one along with a full seal kit. Figured as long as I had it apart I might as well replace all the seals.> > Today I removed the boiler in order to replace the seal. First thing I noticed was 1/16" (no kidding) of scale buildup on the coil. I've never seen anything like it. I also saw the same amount on the bottom 1/2 of the tank. The chrome on the sealing surface had corroded and m
 ade some paths for water to escape past the seal. Hopefully the new seal will fix that. I took the heating element and stuck it upside down in a pint glass filled with Dezcal. It's bubbling and fizzing like no tomorrow. Hopefully with enough soak time it will all come off. I'll have to fill the tank after it's reassembled and do the same.> > I'm dreading finding some other probem(s). Hopefully it's worth the time and money to fix it.> > Ben> > > > >> Homeroast mailing list> Homeroast>http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills.http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocidT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008Homeroast mailing list">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.com>Homeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills.http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocidT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008Homeroast mailing list
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3) From: Carol Lugg
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4) From: Alchemist John
I agree - for $400, you are probably technically past 'worth it'.  If 
they sold it 'as is' you are stuck, but if it was sold as good and 
functional, contact the seller.
At 05:00 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
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5) From: Benjamin VerHage
Unfortunately after I received the machine I let it sit for a couple months instead of trying it out. My bad, I jut had a lot going on. If there was a warranty, it is beyond the complain period. Fortunately I think the machine is fine, it just needs a good going over. It powers up, heats, and builds correct pressure.
I believe the previous owner did replace the gaskets, but they used axle grease or something to get it back together (idiot), so it needs a good cleaning to get that off every surface. If anything, after totally disassembling it, I now know the ins and outs of it and it feels more like mine now. (Plus I have a cool, bottomless PF that I modified at work that I really want to use).
The heating element has been soaking for a few hours now and it's almost clean. That's a good sign. Now I need to figure out how to clean the boiler. Is there anything stronger than Dezcal that will work faster? I may just go in through the bottom with a wire brush on a dremel to speed things up a bit. Anyone have any experience with extreme descaling?
Ben
From: Alchemist John 
To: homeroast
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2009 6:38:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] la pavoni pro - refurb
I agree - for $400, you are probably technically past 'worth it'.  If they sold it 'as is' you are stuck, but if it was sold as good and functional, contact the seller.
At 05:00 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
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 surface had corroded and m
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6) From: Rich
Use CLR and keep sharp objects out of it.
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7) From: Angelo
I had old a friend a spare Cremina I had, and he decided to overhaul 
it. I believe that he took the boiler apart in two halves. He 
descaled it and "polished" it with emery cloth on the inside...
I'm not sure how it separated. If I see him I'll ask. You could go to 
that Pavoni site (Google it... something about the Eagle) and get an 
exploded view to see how to take it apart...
Angelo
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8) From: Carol Lugg
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9) From: Benjamin VerHage
Good call on the CLR! That should work better and can be applied with a spo=
nge. Thanks!
From: Rich 
To: homeroast
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2009 8:25:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] la pavoni pro - refurb
Use CLR and keep sharp objects out of it.
Benjamin VerHage wrote:
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hs instead of trying it out. My bad, I jut had a lot going on. If there was=
 a warranty, it is beyond the complain period. Fortunately I think the mach=
ine is fine, it just needs a good going over. It powers up, heats, and buil=
ds correct pressure.
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grease or something to get it back together (idiot), so it needs a good cle=
aning to get that off every surface. If anything, after totally disassembli=
ng it, I now know the ins and outs of it and it feels more like mine now. (=
Plus I have a cool, bottomless PF that I modified at work that I really wan=
t to use).
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clean. That's a good sign. Now I need to figure out how to clean the boiler=
. Is there anything stronger than Dezcal that will work faster? I may just =
go in through the bottom with a wire brush on a dremel to speed things up a=
 bit. Anyone have any experience with extreme descaling?
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hey sold it 'as is' you are stuck, but if it was sold as good and functiona=
l, contact the seller.
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me.
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e> To: homeroast> Subject: [Homeroast=
] la pavoni pro - refurb> > The LaPavoni Pro I got off eBay for $400 bucks,=
 supposedly well maintained with the seals recently replaced, has some issu=
es. I first powered it up to do a descale and see if it was working properl=
y. Shortly after I discovered a big puddle forming underneath. Upon seeing =
that I disassembled the whole thing to see if anything else was wrong. I de=
termined the leak was coming from the heating element (bad gasket). I order=
ed a new one along with a full seal kit. Figured as long as I had it apart =
I might as well replace all the seals.> > Today I removed the boiler in ord=
er to replace the seal. First thing I noticed was 1/16" (no kidding) of sca=
le buildup on the coil. I've never seen anything like it. I also saw the sa=
me amount on the bottom 1/2 of the tank. The chrome on the sealing
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eal will fix that. I took the heating element and stuck it upside down in a=
 pint glass filled with Dezcal. It's bubbling and fizzing like no tomorrow.=
 Hopefully with enough soak time it will all come off. I'll have to fill th=
e tank after it's reassembled and do the same.> > I'm dreading finding some=
 other probem(s). Hopefully it's worth the time and money to fix it.> > Ben=
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10) From: raymanowen
"...a PF (what is that, by the way?)"
<?> It's the thing that contains the coffee packed into the portafilter-
goes in the portafilter handle that bayonets into the group of an espresso
machine.
The common 58mm diameter PF filter basket will have over 500 pounds of force
on it during an espresso brew! Not a flimsy arrangement.
How so much pressure on a hand operated machine? Think of a hand operated
hydraulic bottle jack, often r
Cheers and Maligayang 2009 -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?
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11) From: raymanowen
??Blessed Box-
"...a hand operated hydraulic bottle jack, often makes many tons of force
because of the exponential ratio of the piston diameters..."
The portafilter on my Crapesso Leaks works fine... The overpressure relief
valve does not.
Cheers and Maligayang 2009 -RayO, aka Opa!
-- 
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976
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12) From: Benjamin VerHage
I got the heating element back in so I was able to fill the tank with s=
ome Dezcal. Helped quite a bit, but there was still a bunch of scale left o=
ver. I then tried a 1/8 ratio of CLR to water and dumped that in. Wow, that=
 stuff really works...and works quickly. Thanks for the tip!
Ben
From: Rich 
To: homeroast
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2009 8:25:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] la pavoni pro - refurb
Use CLR and keep sharp objects out of it.
Benjamin VerHage wrote:
<Snip>
hs instead of trying it out. My bad, I jut had a lot going on. If there was=
 a warranty, it is beyond the complain period. Fortunately I think the mach=
ine is fine, it just needs a good going over. It powers up, heats, and buil=
ds correct pressure.
<Snip>
<Snip>
grease or something to get it back together (idiot), so it needs a good cle=
aning to get that off every surface. If anything, after totally disassembli=
ng it, I now know the ins and outs of it and it feels more like mine now. (=
Plus I have a cool, bottomless PF that I modified at work that I really wan=
t to use).
<Snip>
<Snip>
clean. That's a good sign. Now I need to figure out how to clean the boiler=
. Is there anything stronger than Dezcal that will work faster? I may just =
go in through the bottom with a wire brush on a dremel to speed things up a=
 bit. Anyone have any experience with extreme descaling?
<Snip>
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hey sold it 'as is' you are stuck, but if it was sold as good and functiona=
l, contact the seller.
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me.
<Snip>
<Snip>
<Snip>
e> To: homeroast> Subject: [Homeroast=
] la pavoni pro - refurb> > The LaPavoni Pro I got off eBay for $400 bucks,=
 supposedly well maintained with the seals recently replaced, has some issu=
es. I first powered it up to do a descale and see if it was working properl=
y. Shortly after I discovered a big puddle forming underneath. Upon seeing =
that I disassembled the whole thing to see if anything else was wrong. I de=
termined the leak was coming from the heating element (bad gasket). I order=
ed a new one along with a full seal kit. Figured as long as I had it apart =
I might as well replace all the seals.> > Today I removed the boiler in ord=
er to replace the seal. First thing I noticed was 1/16" (no kidding) of sca=
le buildup on the coil. I've never seen anything like it. I also saw the sa=
me amount on the bottom 1/2 of the tank. The chrome on the sealing
<Snip>
eal will fix that. I took the heating element and stuck it upside down in a=
 pint glass filled with Dezcal. It's bubbling and fizzing like no tomorrow.=
 Hopefully with enough soak time it will all come off. I'll have to fill th=
e tank after it's reassembled and do the same.> > I'm dreading finding some=
 other probem(s). Hopefully it's worth the time and money to fix it.> > Ben=
<Snip>
g list> Homeroast>http://lists.sweetmariascoff=ee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.com> Homeroast community pi=
ctures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?=g2_itemId=7820
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