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Topic: Roasting longer not equal to roasting darker > was (13 msgs / 315 lines)
1) From: Derek Bradford
There is nothing worse than mistyping something online.  Yes, I realize that
short, fast roasts aren't what make a light roast, nor are they what even
make a good roast.  Just as I realize that a long, slow roast can give
equally poor results.  And I realize you can get pretty dark beans going
either route.
So to clarify, in case anyone at all was mislead by my comment, I meant that
I don't roast dark for espresso, unless it's a bean or blend that benefits
from darker roasting.
I hope balance has been restored in the universe.
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:47 AM, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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2) From: Lynne
Now that's something I never realized. I just thought, when I tried this, it
was too light.
So I should decrease my temp a bit to extend the roast if I want it lighter?
Lynne
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3) From: Allon Stern
On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Lynne wrote:
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It's not so much about absolute temperatures as it is about rate of  
increase.
You don't want the roast to stall or backslide.
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4) From: Lynne
Oh, I don't have any problem with stalling or backsliding (stove-top
method).
I always roast at the same (approximate) temperature. I'm wondering if I'm
aiming for a lighter roast (I'm horrible with figuring out roast levels,
even after all this time - I just know I enjoy the results!) if I should put
the stove temp a bit lower.
I don't change the stove controls during the roast - I'm pretty consistent
with how I roast now. Takes about 12 minutes, usually (unless the beans are
older and drier, I think).
L
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5) From: Lynne
So just to clarify what I'm asking - my roasts usually takes about 12
minutes. When I tried a lighter roast recently (it turned out horrible), I
stopped it before the usual 12 minutes.
Should I roast at a slightly decreased temperature, to try to make that
lighter roast last as close to the (approximate) 12 minutes as I can?
trying to translate machine roasting to my method...
Lynne
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6) From: Seth Grandeau
So, in the Behmor world, where the controls are quite limited, would it be
better to use a slower profile (P3, P4 or P5) when trying to get to a
lighter roast?  I had been using P1 for many SHBs, and adjusting level of
roast by when I hit the "Cool" button.  I'm going to have to try slowing
things down and see if I like the results.
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7) From: Allon Stern
On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Lynne wrote:
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Yes.
Or even longer. Pan roasting is probably closer to a drum than hot air.
Try the following:
run low heat for about 5 minutes; the chaff should release and the  
beans should yellow a bit, but not turn brown.
apply higher heat to reach first crack around 7-10 minutes
When first crack starts, reduce the heat slowly; you don't want to  
stop first crack, but you don't want it to race through it.
When first crack ends, you should be back on medium/medium-low. keep  
going until you think you've hit the point you want. Judge by the  
color & smell.
If you make it to 15 minutes, that's okay. You don't need to keep it  
at 12. In fact, when you go for a darker roast, apply this same  
technique to stretch out the time between 1st and 2nd cracks and you  
may notice a difference in the flavor.
disclaimer: I have never pan roasted, just extrapolating from my  
other roasting experience. YMMV. Taxes and tags not included.
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8) From: Joseph Robertson
miKe,
Is what you discribed here how what they call "White Bean" roasted and created?
Thanks miKe,
JoeR
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9) From: Joseph Robertson
Allon,
You must give it a try. I have only pan roasted 3 times. A fine art it
is for sure. My last experience was over a camp fire. Way too much
fun. One thing for us to keep in mind is the fact that many folks who
live in countries where our greens come from have no choice but to
roast in ways much like a camp fire or primitive stove top/frying pan
style.
Our home roast units would be a luxury for sure to them.
Cheers,
JoeR
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10) From: Lynne
Yes - and, historically, there's been lots more years of people pan roasting
than machine-roasting!
Thanks, miKe, Allon, and Ed (aka, 'Santa's Elf'... haha - like I said before
- that coffee came at the perfect time when I was suffering from an
abscessed tooth - and saved me from roasting while in agony!!) for the tips.
I'm going to have fun adjusting my roasting!
I love pan roasting. In fact, I find it very difficult roasting any other
way - I need to 'participate' in the roasting that I can't do with a
machine, or at least I think.
But then again, I also like to make my own bread (totally hand kneading),
and don't mind taking hours to work on some pain-staking project. Suits
me...
Lynne
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11) From: Skydragon454
Glad to hear about another hand roaster Lynn. I've been roasting  exclusively 
using the HG/DB method. I use a small metal colander that just fits  inside a 
metal bowl. Its a zen like experience stirring, shooting with my IR  temp gun 
and adjusting roast level as needed. I stay so focused during my roast  that 
all other cares just slip away. I never miss the beautiful smells or sound  of 
a roaring 1st and the delicate snaps at the hint of the approaching  
2nd...mmmmm. Ok, I think I'll go smell some beans now.
 
Eric 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2009 3:19:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
lynnebiz writes:
Yes -  and, historically, there's been lots more years of people pan roasting
than  machine-roasting!
Thanks, miKe, Allon, and Ed (aka, 'Santa's Elf'...  haha - like I said before
- that coffee came at the perfect time when I was  suffering from an
abscessed tooth - and saved me from roasting while in  agony!!) for the tips.
I'm going to have fun adjusting my  roasting!
I love pan roasting. In fact, I find it very difficult  roasting any other
way - I need to 'participate' in the roasting that I  can't do with a
machine, or at least I think.
But then again, I also  like to make my own bread (totally hand kneading),
and don't mind taking  hours to work on some pain-staking project.  Suits
me...
Lynne
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12) From: Lynne
Hi Eric -
I never tried the HG/DB method - if I didn't have a decent stove and fan, I
would, though. I moved from this apt. for five [too long] months (and ended
up moving right back to the same apt - long story!!). For those five months
I had the WORST electric stove on the planet, I think. It was very
difficult, and not relaxing, to roast then. If I didn't move back here, I
would have changed to a HG/DG (and I would have also had a nervous breakdown
- no joke there - I was close, it was so awful).
It* is* very zen-like. Many, many years ago (more than I'd like to admit), I
used to work in clay (hand building). This is as close as I've come in
another 'medium.'
Yeah, for me it's more of an art form...
Lynne
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13) From: raymanowen
The HG/ K-A Mixer Bowl or Bread Machine has been far easier to control than
the Fresh Roast.
With the HG running full tilt, the heat can be varied instantly by
manipulating the HG itself. The hysteresis between power supplied and heat
output of the heater can be easily compensated by a PID controller.
Controlling the heat of the Fresh Roast is a near panic, especially after
First gets going and it's exothermic. The heater is too powerful to be
continuously energized.
The Bronco could do 80mph wide open with a tail wind or going slightly
downhill. No amount of control could make the Bronco do 80 on a flat road.
The XKE was a different story...
Cheers, Mabuhay and Magandang Umaga -RayO, aka Opa!
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