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Topic: Rocky- doser/doserless?? (15 msgs / 335 lines)
1) From: Ken Schillinger
I think I might feel GAD (grinder acquisition disorder) coming on. I'm toying with the idea of a Rocky. I want to use it for both funnel coffee and espresso, but don't know if I want a doserless Rocky, or one with a doser. Are dosers hard to remove if I don't like it, Does it still have the downward pointing chute (or whatever it's called) if it has the doser, if not can I buy the chutes separately?
Questions Questions,,This morning brought me three double shot lattes. I used Chiappas beans that I roasted with my Behmor to FC+ and took about ten seconds into second crack. This is the most enjoyable coffee beverage I have had in a long time.
Ken.
Looking forward to your insights on the doser issue.
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2) From: Gary Foster
I have the doser version.  I did a few slight mods to it though.  I removed
the forks under the doser, I put a piece of tape in the grinder chute
because grounds were getting caught up in there on a rough spot, and I put
tape on the bottom of the doser "tines" to fully sweep the grinds when I use
the doser... Otherwise grinds get left behind.
I'm pretty happy with it now.  The doser version is less messy, doesn't
shower grinds all over the kitchen (I do that well enough by myself) and the
doser breaks up the clumps for me when I dose my basket.  Without the forks
underneath it, I have plenty of room to put a bowl under there (or a filter)
to catch grinds for drip as well.
-- Gary F.
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3) From: jeff michel
Hi Ken,
I would go doserless and break up the clumps. Then you don't have to  
clean out the doser. ;)
On the other hand even dosers clump some. If you like to change coffee  
a lot like I do than doserless
maybe your best friend.
Thanks for tip on the coffee!
Jef
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I have a doserless....
Good points...can dose into any container, easy cleaning, only grind what you use
Bad points...coffee comes out clumped without the benefit of thwacking provided by the doser. I now dose into a small bowl and stir it up with a shishkabob skewer before I put it into the portafilter.
If I were you, I would try to see demos of both I person, keeping in mind these issues.
Good luck
Dean De Crisce
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5) From: miKe mcKoffee
IF getting a Rocky I highly recommend getting doser model. Remove the forks
and "dose" into SS twine canister for dispensing into whatever, be it PF or
Vac or Press etc. Doserless grinders are fine IF it's a high end grinder
that doesn't clump. Doser tape mod, click-clack "bellows" and flush brush
equals zero waste grinding beans per shot or other brew.
Seehttp://home.comcast.net/~mdmint/coffee/Rockycanister.htmmiKe  
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6) From: F.R. Parth
Since I grind for both espresso and French Press, I'm going to disagree with Mike on this one. For FP, I grind directly into the press pot and it would never fit under a doser version. 
For espresso, I cut out the bottom of a styrofoam cup so that it fits perfectly into the filter basket, grind into that, and then stir the grinds for a few seconds to remove any lumps (the Weiss Distribution Technique). Works fine for me. 
Frank
 
On Monday, February 23, 2009, at 05:28PM, "miKe mcKoffee"  wrote:
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7) From: miKe mcKoffee
IF you read my post in it's entirety and checked the link you'd have noted I
said ALL grinding is into a SS grinds catcher and specifically stated works
for ALL types of brewing methods.
See again:http://home.comcast.net/~mdmint/coffee/Rockycanister.htmI've pulled literally thousands of Rocky shots over the years and never
needed the WDT. First nekkid attempt years ago with Silvia was a no channel,
no spritzer. Thwacking the grinds from the doser into the SS canister, than
a quick side to side shake of the canister bringing it to the PF to pour
pretty much eliminates clumps. Granted I do a quick Stockfleths. 
miKe
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miKe,
what is the doser tape mod
thanks
Dean De Crisce
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9) From: miKe mcKoffee
Taping the bottom of the doser sweep blades for a clean sweep. Electrical or
duct tape seem to work equally well. I tape all six vanes. Doser
disassembly/reassembly required:-) Works not only on Rocky but Mazzers too.
At least SJ and Major dosers from experience.
miKe 
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10) From: Ken Schillinger
Thanks for the input regarding the doser/doserless issue on the Rocky.
I still don't know if I'm going to get one or not as mny present grinder 
still works, and does an ok job. Still, we all like new stuff sometimes:-)
Ken.
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11) From: Barry Luterman
I started doserless with a Rocky. Then went to a Mini with a dosser. In the
beginning I hated the dosser. It took about a month till I got used to it. I
would not consider going dosserless again. For an espresso drinker the
dosser is fundamental to pulling good shots.
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12) From: jeff michel
Hi Barry,
I disagree with you on this. If you are running a shop maybe. I guess  
if you are lazy and don't want to break up the clumps with WDT
or whatever spins your wheels (whacking the handle?). I think if you  
do some more research you will find there are plenty of baristas who  
prefer doserless
as the preferred method of grinding. It certainly helps to have the  
best grinder you can afford to make better espresso.
I think this is more important then the machine itself (after a  
certain investment).
There are people changing all the rules of how you do this or that and  
are pulling world class shots.
At the risk of offending the doser users and mighty MiKe, doser or  
doserless is
not the ruling factor in the end of the equation. It is who is at the  
end of the PF handle and how they work their gear.
Clumping is a small factor in the end result of the cup. To hold it as  
THE fundamental cause is erroneous.
I think using fresh coffee would be more fundamental in the cup.
It may be that an economy doserless is inferior to a medium end doser  
grinder but in the end whether one uses doser or doserless,
the same blades grind the coffee and dealing with the clumping is not  
that big of a deal to me.
My doser model (Max Hybrid) still clumps anyway depending on the  
weather or whether or whatever.
Peas,
Jef
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13) From: Barry Luterman
Since I have used a dosser I have not had to break up clumps. I figure every
variable which is controlled before it hits my end of the PF goes further to
insure a good shot. I can't remember ever going into a good coffee shop or
another member of this list's homes and been pulled a shot from a dosserless
machine. Of course it can be done. I have done it myself many times.Yes the
grinder is far more important than the dosser. However the original question
was whether to go dosser or dosserless. Given that question my answer is
dosser if you are planning espresso and whatever you want for brewed coffee.
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14) From: jeff michel
Well you are one step ahead of me in regard to having a doserless  
machine.
They are however using them at the WBC and I know of a few people who  
are
using them with really good results. One has been rated almost a 10  
for espresso use.
They are however, grinders in the 1k plus range. So it may be  
irrelevant to
most people. I am going to have a hard time parting with $1600 for a  
used
K30 Vario but that's mostly because I made the mistake of looking at my
Fidelity account! 8O!
Hope your recovery is a quick one!
i am at about .75 on the Max now. ;)
Jef
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15) From: Angelo
I drink espresso and own a doserless. I grind for each shot. I really 
don't see how a doser increases one's odds for a better espresso. 
People talk about clumps in the doserless. There are clumps in doser 
machines also, which get broken up by the blades hitting and moving 
the grounds. I do it with a chopstick. Much ado about nothing...
Angelo
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