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Topic: grinder dillema (18 msgs / 434 lines)
1) From: Phil Palmintere
My wife only drinks decaf.  I only drink regular.    She usually wants a
non-fat decaf latte in the morning, whereas I have a 4 or 5 espressos from a
Superautomatic Jura Capresso F7.  A few times per week I'll supplement that
with a FP every now and then. 
So. as I continue my journey upward towards a better and better cup of
espresso, here's my dilemma.  From what I can tell, I think I need two
separate prosumer grinders (in addition to a better espresso machine) - one
for regular beans, one for decaf, as changing beans from regular to decaf
and back several times in the morning seems like way too much effort.    Am
I right?     
Of course, I could just switch to decaf so my wife & I could share the same
bean & grinder, but that would just spoil the fun.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Phil
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2) From: Kris McN
Phil,
Don't store beans in your grinder.  I only put in what I need for each
shot.  That way I can switch between reg and decaf, or more likely, one SO
to another at will.  No problem, no extra grinder necessary.
Best,
Kris McN
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3) From: Jim Russell
Or get more than one hopper for your grinder.  A second hopper for a good
grinder is way cheaper than a second good grinder.
Jim
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4) From: kevin creason
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this arrangement... I know I would have a big problem if I tried this!
Back on topic--
I wrestle with this too. Most grinders leave too much in the chute to switch
back cleanly and easily. My SO of 18 years objects to me taking up any more
living space even though she loves and craves the coffee I deliver.
I bought a Saeco Titan for the office and I am very impressed with how clean
it stays inside. Just about everything I put in seems to come out. I need to
take this home and try it for espresso.
So what I end up doing is mixing her decaf with a bit of regular. She knows
and she is mostly ok with that. So, I load up 2/3 to 4/5 of what is need for
her shot with decaf and start grinding. It picks up a little regular from
before but it will be mostly decaf. Then when the beans are empty from the
hopper I drop in the remaining few regular beans for my drink in and hope
that it pushes all the decaf grounds out so that my shots aren't
contaminated!
FWIW. YMMV. TIWGS.
-Kevin
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5) From: Ira
At 12:46 PM 2/23/2009, you wrote:
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Buy one grinder that can take and grind 1 measure of coffee at a 
time. Then one grinder does both.
Ira
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6) From: jeff michel
You need a  LA MARZOCCO COMMERCIAL SWIFT GRINDERhttp://cgi.ebay.com/LA-MARZOCCO-COMMERCIAL-SWIFT-GRINDER_W0QQitemZ290297122689QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Hot_Beverage_Brewers?hash=item290297122689&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparmsr%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50lol! I been waiting to tell someone they need one of these...
Actually, You might want what I do or something like it.
You could go as "cheap" as a Rocky Doserless Grinder which BTW matched  
a Mazzer robur in a grinder taste test on H-B.
Or the next step might be the Mazzer mini "E" doserless, (more for  
durability)
or you could bite the bullet and get the Mahlkoenig K30, an excellent  
option indeed.
The hint I would give you is save money elsewhere as far as the  
grinder is concerned.
The doserless will clump more but it is not difficult to deal with and  
ideal for changing coffee with much less waste.
Just my 2 presidential butt cheeks.
Jef
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7) From: raymanowen
" A second hopper for a good grinder is way cheaper than a second good
grinder."
On this machine, purchasing a second hopper gets you a new Jura Capresso F7.
The thing is a super automatic- Espresso Your Way, if you happen to like it
The Machine's Way. You can switch to externally-ground decaf coffee in case
the grinder is full of real coffee beans.
The internal grinder's burrs look a lot like the $300/ $200/ $125 burrs for
a 3, 120v, 120vdc grinder. Some ex- *$ barista is telling you that when =
you
add 1 conductor for 3 power, it takes a different burr set for the
grinder...  Good one. That means the whole flaming machine is a compromise.
My grinder must be 20 years old- It will be interesting to get report on how
well these shiny new grinders are doing after 20 years of commercial use.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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8) From: Scott Miller
Don't the Jura machines have a way to do single doses? A friend has a fancy
superauto and I believe it's a Jura. He had the bean hopper filled with
something when I went to visit, so there was some way he added some beans I
brought to make a cup right away without dumping any beans he already had
loaded.
That's at least a stopgap measure until you get some new equipment.
cheers,
Scott
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9) From: Karl Schendel
Phil Palmintere wrote:
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I'm glad you said that about a better machine... :-)
(I am quite pleased with my J5 super-auto, but I don't
pretend that what comes out of it is really espresso.
We use it for crema coffee in the morning.)
Anyway.  If your wife can tolerate a little caffeine, I don't
think it's a big deal to just use one grinder.  As far as I
know, the king of "no grounds left behind" is the Versalab M3,
but it's just a little expensive.  The Titan Grinder Project
thread on home-barista.com ought to have more than you ever
wanted to know about grinders and their foibles.
The coffeegeek preview of the Baratza Vario commented on the
lack of grounds left inside;  typically 0.5 grams or less.
Assuming that production models measure up, that's another
option that is way cheaper than the M3.
Karl
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10) From: Michael Dhabolt
Phil,
Several acquaintances with a similar issue grind with Mazzer grinders.
 They all use the grinder without a hopper, fill the throat of the
grinder with a small measuring cup, set a 58mm tamper in the throat on
top of the beans until the grind is done, remove tamper - ready for
different beans. Seems to work well for them.  Swapping hoppers leaves
a fairly substantial quantity of beans in the throat of the grinder.
Mike (just plain)
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11) From: Phil Palmintere
Thanks!

12) From: Sandy Andina
Only reason I have two (a Rocky DL and a Mazzer Mini) is convenience.  
The Rocky was fine, but the Mazzer was a quantum leap in control  
(stepless) and consistency of results.  I like to keep 1/2 lb. of  
espresso beans in my Mazzer at all times, so I keep the Rocky empty  
for decaf and single origin or alternative espresso blends.  I have a  
little acrylic prep dish which holds exactly enough beans for a double  
shot--I fill it, set the grind, empty it into the Rocky's hopper,  
invert the dish over the beans so they don't fly around, and let 'er  
rip.  If you don't want to use two grinders, you can do this--or if  
you have only a Mazzer or similar, you can do what some friends of  
mine do:  they remove the hopper, measure and then empty a double- 
shot's worth of beans into the throat of the grinder, and use their  
tamper as a lid to keep the beans from flying around.  For some, this  
was a measure born of necessity, since they had limited counter space  
and not enough clearance beneath their cabinets for a hopper.
Of course, I keep two grinders for brewed coffee too.  I use a Solis  
Maestro Plus for the family's drip beans (they go through them  
frighteningly fast, so the current batch resides in the hopper and the  
reserves sit in one-way-valve bags inside canisters) and keep my old  
Bodum Antigua for decaf, Aeropress, or French press grinding (which  
hopper I keep empty and employ a tamper or the inverted little prep  
dish a la the Rocky to keep the beans under control).  I have the  
luxury of ample counter space and the pathology of being a pack rat.....
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13) From: R Nepsund
I used to put something solid over my beans in the grinder to keep
them from bouncing out.  Then I noticed that it kept the grinder from
sucking air through it while it was grinding.   Now I put a sponge
over my beans.  I have considerably less grounds left in the output
chute afterwards.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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I am not sure I understand why people wish to avoid beans bouncing around? =
is there a cup benefit to that?
Dean De Crisce
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15) From: R Nepsund
If you have removed the original funnel to get coffee into the grinder
you can end up with beans and bean fragments spraying back out and
onto the table and floor.
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16) From: Jim De Hoog
Phil,
I replaced my Mazzer Mini hopper with a SS canning funnel and place the lid of the hopper on top of the funnel to keep the beans from bouncing out.
Jim "Ice Bucket Roaster" De Hoog
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17) From: Barry Luterman
A 58 mm tamper in the throat of the funnel works even better. Direct
pressure is kept on the beans insuring an even feed and grind. With the lid
you will still get pop corning resulting in fractured beans
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18) From: Angelo
I measure my beans using the portafilter basket and then use the 
basket on type of the beans. The air goes through the basket quite easily...
At 03:24 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:
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