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Topic: first pulls on rebuild la pavoni pro (19 msgs / 765 lines)
1) From: Benjamin VerHage
I finally got a chance to test drive my rebuilt La Pavoni pro after the reb=
uild. Since the Behmor was down for a while I didn't have any homeroast t=
o use, so I experimented with some preground Illy that was laying around. I=
 pulled three shots and found that I was getting little, to no resistance f=
rom the lever. Tamping harder wasn't helping that much. There was also =
some steam/bubbles coming out of the PF near the end of the pull.
I thought something might be wrong, but I knew I reassembled it cor=
rectly. A couple days later I remembered I had some beans from a local roas=
ter that I puchased while waiting for my new Behmor motor. I asked for thei=
r lightest roast and got an Ethiopian that was roasted to Vienna. I decid=
ed to grind some on the Rocky and see if the problem was due to the grind o=
f the Illy.
I dialed the Rocky down to around 8 above true zero and filled the single b=
asket with 8g, tamped, loaded, and egad! Resistance! Not 40 lbs worth, but =
a definite improvement. I adjusted the Rocky down to around 6 and filled a =
double basket...tamped, loaded and wow...tons of resistance and a perfect (=
for my 5th espresso shot of all time that is) ristretto. Thick globs of cre=
ma in the mousetail that yielded 1.5 oz (modifying the PF to be bottomless =
was a great move). Now these beans had been sitting around for 3 weeks or s=
o and were super overroasted, but I have to say, they made a damn fine SO e=
spresso. One of the best shots I've ever had.
Last weekend I was able to roast up a 1/2# of  the Espresso Monkey blen=
d. I let it rest for three days and pulled a couple shots last night. I gro=
und with the Rocky at around 7, halfway between my two previous adjustm=
ents. That didn't give much reistance so I adjusted to 5 and pulled aga=
in. Better resistance, but only on the last half of the pull. Fortunately=
 it yielded a short, but delicious cup! I guess I need some more fine tunin=
g on the Rocky for the Monkey blend, but I'm on my way. A finer grind shoul=
d fix the issue. I'm working on getting an espresso-only grinder that shoul=
d help me improve on my shot consistency while letting me keep the Rocky ad=
justed for drip/vac pot/french press.
A quick question for you LaPav users out there. I noticed that an 8g dose i=
n the single, or 14g dose in the double basket doesn't fill the basket to t=
he top, which makes it difficult to level out the grounds. I don't have a d=
oser on the Rocky, which also makes the grind quite clumpy. Does anyone jus=
t fill the baskets to the top and level off? I'm going to give it a shot, j=
ust wondering if anyone has tried it before. I also need to try stirring up=
 the grounds to get rid of the clumps. That should lead to better consisten=
cy as well. I'm debating getting a doser on my new espresso grinder as well.
It's been an interesting journey and I've only just begun. It's great to be=
 able to produce good espresso at home, even though everything isn't dialed=
 in yet.
Ben
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2) From: Scott Miller
Awesome!
Kudos for the persistance. Great payoff, no?
cheers,
Scott
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Benjamin VerHage
 wrote:
<Snip>
ebuild. Since the Behmor was down for a while I didn't have any homeroast=
 to use, so I experimented with some preground Illy that was laying around.=
 I pulled three shots and found that I was getting little, to no resistance=
 from the lever. Tamping harder wasn't helping that much. There was als=
o some steam/bubbles coming out of the PF near the end of the pull.
<Snip>
orrectly. A couple days later I remembered I had some beans from a local ro=
aster that I puchased while waiting for my new Behmor motor. I asked for th=
eir lightest roast and got an Ethiopian that was roasted to Vienna. I dec=
ided to grind some on the Rocky and see if the problem was due to the grind=
 of the Illy.
<Snip>
 basket with 8g, tamped, loaded, and egad! Resistance! Not 40 lbs worth, bu=
t a definite improvement. I adjusted the Rocky down to around 6 and filled =
a double basket...tamped, loaded and wow...tons of resistance and a perfect=
 (for my 5th espresso shot of all time that is) ristretto. Thick globs of c=
rema in the mousetail that yielded 1.5 oz (modifying the PF to be bottomles=
s was a great move). Now these beans had been sitting around for 3 weeks or=
 so and were super overroasted, but I have to say, they made a damn fine SO=
 espresso. One of the best shots I've ever had.
<Snip>
end. I let it rest for three days and pulled a couple shots last night. I g=
round with the Rocky at around 7, halfway between my two previous adjus=
tments. That didn't give much reistance so I adjusted to 5 and pulled a=
gain. Better resistance, but only on the last half of the pull. Fortunate=
ly it yielded a short, but delicious cup! I guess I need some more fine tun=
ing on the Rocky for the Monkey blend, but I'm on my way. A finer grind sho=
uld fix the issue. I'm working on getting an espresso-only grinder that sho=
uld help me improve on my shot consistency while letting me keep the Rocky =
adjusted for drip/vac pot/french press.
<Snip>
 in the single, or 14g dose in the double basket doesn't fill the basket to=
 the top, which makes it difficult to level out the grounds. I don't have a=
 doser on the Rocky, which also makes the grind quite clumpy. Does anyone j=
ust fill the baskets to the top and level off? I'm going to give it a shot,=
 just wondering if anyone has tried it before. I also need to try stirring =
up the grounds to get rid of the clumps. That should lead to better consist=
ency as well. I'm debating getting a doser on my new espresso grinder as we=
ll.
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be able to produce good espresso at home, even though everything isn't dial=
ed in yet.
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ee.com
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3) From: Edward Bourgeois
Ben
It's better to fill the basket so when tamped the level is just below
the screen when locked in.
Ed
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Scott Miller  wrote:
<Snip>
rebuild. Since the Behmor was down for a while I didn't have any homeroas=
t to use, so I experimented with some preground Illy that was laying around=
. I pulled three shots and found that I was getting little, to no resistanc=
e from the lever. Tamping harder wasn't helping that much. There was al=
so some steam/bubbles coming out of the PF near the end of the pull.
<Snip>
correctly. A couple days later I remembered I had some beans from a local r=
oaster that I puchased while waiting for my new Behmor motor. I asked for t=
heir lightest roast and got an Ethiopian that was roasted to Vienna. I de=
cided to grind some on the Rocky and see if the problem was due to the grin=
d of the Illy.
<Snip>
e basket with 8g, tamped, loaded, and egad! Resistance! Not 40 lbs worth, b=
ut a definite improvement. I adjusted the Rocky down to around 6 and filled=
 a double basket...tamped, loaded and wow...tons of resistance and a perfec=
t (for my 5th espresso shot of all time that is) ristretto. Thick globs of =
crema in the mousetail that yielded 1.5 oz (modifying the PF to be bottomle=
ss was a great move). Now these beans had been sitting around for 3 weeks o=
r so and were super overroasted, but I have to say, they made a damn fine S=
O espresso. One of the best shots I've ever had.
<Snip>
lend. I let it rest for three days and pulled a couple shots last night. I =
ground with the Rocky at around 7, halfway between my two previous adju=
stments. That didn't give much reistance so I adjusted to 5 and pulled =
again. Better resistance, but only on the last half of the pull. Fortunat=
ely it yielded a short, but delicious cup! I guess I need some more fine tu=
ning on the Rocky for the Monkey blend, but I'm on my way. A finer grind sh=
ould fix the issue. I'm working on getting an espresso-only grinder that sh=
ould help me improve on my shot consistency while letting me keep the Rocky=
 adjusted for drip/vac pot/french press.
<Snip>
e in the single, or 14g dose in the double basket doesn't fill the basket t=
o the top, which makes it difficult to level out the grounds. I don't have =
a doser on the Rocky, which also makes the grind quite clumpy. Does anyone =
just fill the baskets to the top and level off? I'm going to give it a shot=
, just wondering if anyone has tried it before. I also need to try stirring=
 up the grounds to get rid of the clumps. That should lead to better consis=
tency as well. I'm debating getting a doser on my new espresso grinder as w=
ell.
<Snip>
 be able to produce good espresso at home, even though everything isn't dia=
led in yet.
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4) From: Derek Bradford
There's a lot of discussion about this over on HomeBarista.  If you haven't
checked it out, you should.  The general consensus among Pavoni users is to
slightly underdose.  When I had mine (a Europiccola), underdosing gave me
the best results.
However...
If this is your first time with espresso, you shouldn't worry so much about
these little tricks.  They really only enhance good, basic techniques.  Work
on getting those down first, and then tweak.  Get used to doing everything
the same way--consistently--and then experiment with subtle changes.  Dose
the same way.  Tamp the same way and with the same force.  Pull the shots
the same way.  When you can do those things consistently, and with good
results, then look at WDT, under/overdosing, variable lever pressure, and
all that stuff.
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simple, but consistent techniques.  You can sometimes get better shots by
tweaking those techniques, but you really have to get the basics down
first.
On a side note about maintenance: Many people recommend cleaning the piston
on the Pavoni a bit too infrequently in my opinion.  If you're pulling even
just a few shots a day, it'll be black and disgusting by the end of the
week.   After some practice, you can have the piston out, cleaned, lubed and
replaced in about 10 minutes.
--Derek
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Benjamin VerHage <
benjaminverhage> wrote:
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-- 
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5) From: Edward Bourgeois
Yes, definitely do some searching on HB for lots of manual lever
techniques. Manual levers are so versatile as you can profile the pump
action.  As Derek mentions get a routine down. Get a feel for control
of the lever. Bring the lever up to just before water enters before
locking the PF in will help keep the grinds in place by not sucking
air up through them on the upswing.
have fun,
Ed
LMWDP#167cremina
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6) From: jeff michel
Cool Ed.
I never tried that. Then again, I have a Pavoni but it might work  
there as well.
Got a great "sneeze" the other day. Wiped out that side of the  
counter ;)
Pulled 2 great shots today and left the auto off for a day. Sure love  
the simplicity.
Nothing like fresh roast for lotsa crema.
Now onward to lever domination!!!
Jef
LMWPD  #226 Pavoni crema YUM!
On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Edward Bourgeois wrote:
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7) From: raymanowen
My best advice, gained from my [not-so-real Capresso matcheen], would be to
fill the filter basket >just< level with whole roasted beans. None above the
rim level.
Put these beans in a  ZipLok sandwich bag, lay it on a flat counter top,
press the beans out to one layer, use a folded towel and your fingers and
palms to press the bag flat as you seal it. Place it in the freezer for 5 -
10 minutes or overnight. (es macht Nichts)
Put this batch of flash- to hard frozen beans in your Clean Grinder, grind
in the coarse range you've found good for espresso brewing. I have a
frothing pitcher for the catcher, and "puff" the grinder to get the maximum
grounds out of the grinder for the shot.
When you put these grounds in your pf basket, it will make quite a pile.
Settle these grounds completely by tapping the basket with the handle of a
butter knife on an X, Y axis, then tap the basket squarely on the counter
top.
The grounds will settle down to about 2mm below the rim of the filter
basket. At this point, the grounds are already settled and packed about as
well as they can be, but tamp with as much force as you can. You'll probably
gain another mm or so, which is good according to Schomer.
You don't want grounds migrating back through the dispersion screen to
reside in the plumbing and add funny flavor to the subsequent shots as the
brewing water passes this garbage in the machine.
This doesn't happen to real machines? Bet me! After a shot, pull a blank
clean out flush like normal,  then do a quick back flush until you get just
crystal clear water out of the pf.
Some baristas will actually grind fresh coffee for your shot if you ask for
a straight double shot. Not worth it to go to a shop with a bone China cup
and ask them to pull a blank shot in the cup so you can see how clean they
propose to brew your shot.
Anything to ensure the next shot is pulled without any residual standby
grounds- just crystal clear water. Then you'll get to sip the aroma that
comes out of the grinder, and, by the way, you just tricked the grinder out
of overheating the grounds as it ground the coffee...
Cheers, Mabuhay und guten Morgen -RayO, aka Opa!
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8) From: Les
Welcome to Lever Madness!   I don't weigh my shots.  I always load,
level, settle (a couple of light taps of the PF basket on the
counter), and tamp.  The reason I don't weigh is beans are different
weights.  I would like to see you put 8 grams of Monsooned Malabar in
your single PF.  On the other extreme a good high grown hard and dense
peaberry will leave your volume short at 8 grams.  I always dose by
volume.
Les
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Benjamin VerHage
 wrote:
<Snip>
ebuild. Since the Behmor was down for a while I didn't have any homeroast=
 to use, so I experimented with some preground Illy that was laying around.=
 I pulled three shots and found that I was getting little, to no resistance=
 from the lever. Tamping harder wasn't helping that much. There was als=
o some steam/bubbles coming out of the PF near the end of the pull.
<Snip>
orrectly. A couple days later I remembered I had some beans from a local ro=
aster that I puchased while waiting for my new Behmor motor. I asked for th=
eir lightest roast and got an Ethiopian that was roasted to Vienna. I dec=
ided to grind some on the Rocky and see if the problem was due to the grind=
 of the Illy.
<Snip>
 basket with 8g, tamped, loaded, and egad! Resistance! Not 40 lbs worth, bu=
t a definite improvement. I adjusted the Rocky down to around 6 and filled =
a double basket...tamped, loaded and wow...tons of resistance and a perfect=
 (for my 5th espresso shot of all time that is) ristretto. Thick globs of c=
rema in the mousetail that yielded 1.5 oz (modifying the PF to be bottomles=
s was a great move). Now these beans had been sitting around for 3 weeks or=
 so and were super overroasted, but I have to say, they made a damn fine SO=
 espresso. One of the best shots I've ever had.
<Snip>
end. I let it rest for three days and pulled a couple shots last night. I g=
round with the Rocky at around 7, halfway between my two previous adjus=
tments. That didn't give much reistance so I adjusted to 5 and pulled a=
gain. Better resistance, but only on the last half of the pull. Fortunate=
ly it yielded a short, but delicious cup! I guess I need some more fine tun=
ing on the Rocky for the Monkey blend, but I'm on my way. A finer grind sho=
uld fix the issue. I'm working on getting an espresso-only grinder that sho=
uld help me improve on my shot consistency while letting me keep the Rocky =
adjusted for drip/vac pot/french press.
<Snip>
 in the single, or 14g dose in the double basket doesn't fill the basket to=
 the top, which makes it difficult to level out the grounds. I don't have a=
 doser on the Rocky, which also makes the grind quite clumpy. Does anyone j=
ust fill the baskets to the top and level off? I'm going to give it a shot,=
 just wondering if anyone has tried it before. I also need to try stirring =
up the grounds to get rid of the clumps. That should lead to better consist=
ency as well. I'm debating getting a doser on my new espresso grinder as we=
ll.
<Snip>
be able to produce good espresso at home, even though everything isn't dial=
ed in yet.
<Snip>
ee.com
<Snip>
ee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=7820
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9) From: Benjamin VerHage
When you dose this way (leveling flush with the top of the basket) do you e=
ver have issues with the puck hitting the shower screen? I sometimes get =
grounds up there when dosing sub-flush to the top of the basket (although I=
 don't know if that's from before or after the shot is pulled). I'm going t=
o try your method this weekend and see what happens.
Ben
From: Les 
To: homeroast
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:30:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] first pulls on rebuild la pavoni pro
Welcome to Lever Madness!  I don't weigh my shots.  I always load,
level, settle (a couple of light taps of the PF basket on the
counter), and tamp.  The reason I don't weigh is beans are different
weights.  I would like to see you put 8 grams of Monsooned Malabar in
your single PF.  On the other extreme a good high grown hard and dense
peaberry will leave your volume short at 8 grams.  I always dose by
volume.
Les
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Benjamin VerHage
 wrote:
<Snip>
ebuild. Since the Behmor was down for a while I didn't have any homeroast=
 to use, so I experimented with some preground Illy that was laying around.=
 I pulled three shots and found that I was getting little, to no resistance=
 from the lever. Tamping harder wasn't helping that much. There was als=
o some steam/bubbles coming out of the PF near the end of the pull.
<Snip>
orrectly. A couple days later I remembered I had some beans from a local ro=
aster that I puchased while waiting for my new Behmor motor. I asked for th=
eir lightest roast and got an Ethiopian that was roasted to Vienna. I dec=
ided to grind some on the Rocky and see if the problem was due to the grind=
 of the Illy.
<Snip>
 basket with 8g, tamped, loaded, and egad! Resistance! Not 40 lbs worth, bu=
t a definite improvement. I adjusted the Rocky down to around 6 and filled =
a double basket...tamped, loaded and wow...tons of resistance and a perfect=
 (for my 5th espresso shot of all time that is) ristretto. Thick globs of c=
rema in the mousetail that yielded 1.5 oz (modifying the PF to be bottomles=
s was a great move). Now these beans had been sitting around for 3 weeks or=
 so and were super overroasted, but I have to say, they made a damn fine SO=
 espresso. One of the best shots I've ever had.
<Snip>
end. I let it rest for three days and pulled a couple shots last night. I g=
round with the Rocky at around 7, halfway between my two previous adjus=
tments. That didn't give much reistance so I adjusted to 5 and pulled a=
gain. Better resistance, but only on the last half of the pull. Fortunate=
ly it yielded a short, but delicious cup! I guess I need some more fine tun=
ing on the Rocky for the Monkey blend, but I'm on my way. A finer grind sho=
uld fix the issue. I'm working on getting an espresso-only grinder that sho=
uld help me improve on my shot consistency while letting me keep the Rocky =
adjusted for drip/vac pot/french press.
<Snip>
 in the single, or 14g dose in the double basket doesn't fill the basket to=
 the top, which makes it difficult to level out the grounds. I don't have a=
 doser on the Rocky, which also makes the grind quite clumpy. Does anyone j=
ust fill the baskets to the top and level off? I'm going to give it a shot,=
 just wondering if anyone has tried it before. I also need to try stirring =
up the grounds to get rid of the clumps. That should lead to better consist=
ency as well. I'm debating getting a doser on my new espresso grinder as we=
ll.
<Snip>
be able to produce good espresso at home, even though everything isn't dial=
ed in yet.
<Snip>
ee.com
<Snip>
ee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=7820
<Snip>
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10) From: Les
No I have never had a problem.  However, I don't overload my dose
either.  When I settle the grounds by tapping on the counter, they
always drop a bit.  You want to try to keep a nice even, fluffy dose.
I don't try to force any extra coffee in the PF basket when I dose and
level.  Years ago, I tried to pack the PF basket thinking the more
coffee the richer the shot.  Not true.
Les
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Benjamin VerHage
 wrote:
<Snip>
 ever have issues with the puck hitting the shower screen? I sometimes ge=
t grounds up there when dosing sub-flush to the top of the basket (although=
 I don't know if that's from before or after the shot is pulled). I'm going=
 to try your method this weekend and see what happens.
<Snip>
rebuild. Since the Behmor was down for a while I didn't have any homeroas=
t to use, so I experimented with some preground Illy that was laying around=
. I pulled three shots and found that I was getting little, to no resistanc=
e from the lever. Tamping harder wasn't helping that much. There was al=
so some steam/bubbles coming out of the PF near the end of the pull.
<Snip>
correctly. A couple days later I remembered I had some beans from a local r=
oaster that I puchased while waiting for my new Behmor motor. I asked for t=
heir lightest roast and got an Ethiopian that was roasted to Vienna. I de=
cided to grind some on the Rocky and see if the problem was due to the grin=
d of the Illy.
<Snip>
e basket with 8g, tamped, loaded, and egad! Resistance! Not 40 lbs worth, b=
ut a definite improvement. I adjusted the Rocky down to around 6 and filled=
 a double basket...tamped, loaded and wow...tons of resistance and a perfec=
t (for my 5th espresso shot of all time that is) ristretto. Thick globs of =
crema in the mousetail that yielded 1.5 oz (modifying the PF to be bottomle=
ss was a great move). Now these beans had been sitting around for 3 weeks o=
r so and were super overroasted, but I have to say, they made a damn fine S=
O espresso. One of the best shots I've ever had.
<Snip>
lend. I let it rest for three days and pulled a couple shots last night. I =
ground with the Rocky at around 7, halfway between my two previous adju=
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ely it yielded a short, but delicious cup! I guess I need some more fine tu=
ning on the Rocky for the Monkey blend, but I'm on my way. A finer grind sh=
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a doser on the Rocky, which also makes the grind quite clumpy. Does anyone =
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11) From: Allon Stern
On Feb 27, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Les wrote:
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Not lever specific, but....
I have a stepped grinder.
I find that on one setting, a level, unpacked PF runs too fast -  
about 10-15 sec.
One notch finer, and I get a stall.
If I use the original setting, but tap, then dose some more to  
overdose the PF, I can get a nice 30 sec pull.
So, are you saying that if I could somehow get a half-step, I  
wouldn't need to overdose, and would get similar results?
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12) From: Les
Yes,
That is why I won't buy a stepped grinder.  If the Rocky had been
stepless, I would have bought one.  I am amazed at how sensitive my
Elektra Micro Casa is to the grind.
Les
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13) From: Allon Stern
Hm, maybe I'll buy the adjustment ring which has finer steps (RR45)...
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14) From: Scott Miller
I have an RR45 and it DOES have really small steps in it's adjustment ring.
Really never had had difficulty with it. I also have a Mazzer Major on
the counter right next to it.
I use both on a daily basis. They each have + and - points to them.
I prefer the rocker switch on the RR45.
The MM grinds a shot quicker.
cheers,
Scott
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15) From: jeff michel
Wine, good food. Little massage before the grind works wonders!
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16) From: Angelo
If you want to avoid those grounds migrating up, just use a 
semi/hemi/demi pod on top of the grounds. A circle cut from filter 
paper or, better yet, thoroughly washed baby wipes will keep all 
grounds in the basket...
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17) From: Edward Bourgeois
Jeff
yup it will help with your Pavoni or any other manual lever(non spring
assisted).
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18) From: Allon Stern
There are two styles of adjustment ring for the RR45. I guess I have  
the coarser one.
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allon
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19) From: Benjamin VerHage
Tried your process this weekend with some Espresso Monkey. Worked great! Thanks for the tip. Here's a picture of the shot...http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3136/monkeyshot.jpgBen
From: Les 
To: homeroast
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:09:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] first pulls on rebuild la pavoni pro
No I have never had a problem.  However, I don't overload my dose
either.  When I settle the grounds by tapping on the counter, they
always drop a bit.  You want to try to keep a nice even, fluffy dose.
I don't try to force any extra coffee in the PF basket when I dose and
level.  Years ago, I tried to pack the PF basket thinking the more
coffee the richer the shot.  Not true.
Les
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