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Topic: photo attribution (23 msgs / 555 lines)
1) From: Sherrie
Ray,  
As someone with copyrights of my own, attribution is a given!  Believe it or
not, in the dog-eat-dog world of quilting, this is a hot topic.  
Sher
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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:10:02 -0600
From: raymanowen
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Attribution is a good thing.
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2) From: raymanowen
"...dog-eat-dog world of quilting, this is a hot topic."
Nancy Zieman has lots of guests that share a seeming Plethora of designs and
ideas. For my part, I couldn't exactly copy a quilt if I wanted to- it would
become an exercise in Production Seam Ripping!
Sometimes I snag an art design from my daughter's blog. When I scan
something into a quilt design with the digitizer, I pixellate the image in
large elements so that the quilt really doesn't look like anything until you
get awaay from it. That way, the misteaks don't count! (She's happy if I
embroider her initials on it.) Then I get to use one of Karen's Janome
machines and hoops...
A Morse Code message on a large scale in the ditch between the border and
the quilt cinches it and doesn't stand out with low contrast colored yarn in
the bobbin.
Got a few ideas for coffee theme wall hanging quilts. Then, it's a trade
off: do we need a Long Arm or do I need a real espresso machine. Then it's
Sewing Center or Coffee Shop- Either way, I'd be tinkering with machines and
designs.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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3) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Speaking of attribution, check this out (someone emailed it to me yesterday):http://www.buddybrew.com/Buddy_Brew/Roast_Guide.htmlthis kind of laziness really bugs me, I must admit. Is it that hard 
to do your own work ... anyway, don't fret we'll email them.
-- 
-Tom
"Great coffee comes from little roasters" - Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting
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4) From: raymanowen
The low brow Blackguards. Overwhelming lack of integrity speaks volumes
about anything they might sell you... -ro
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee <
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5) From: Mark Osborne
And then they list you in their favorite links section....
Mark
West Sonoma County
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Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government
those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations,
perverted it into tyranny.
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6) From: Richard Webber
Not only that, but they didn't even correct the spelling of imminent (immanent is a different word - and probably not the one intended). Tom might want to fix this one on SM.
Richard
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] photo attribution
The low brow Blackguards. Overwhelming lack of integrity speaks volumes
about anything they might sell you... -ro
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7) From: John A C Despres
Well, poking around their website, it's a wonder they can spell coffee...
John
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8) From: Jeff Kilpatrick
Low brow, indeed.
First item on their news feed, posted today: Starbucks Scam: How to Get Free
Coffee
-jeff
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That is really cheesy.
Dean De Crisce
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10) From: Lynne
Wow - that's nerve. I got a close up of both - they took yours, made it a
bit darker, and put tan where your grey card was...
Would be interesting to hear their response after you write to them...
Lynne
(wondering if they actually *roast* their own coffee after seeing that...)
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11) From: Douglas Hoople
Go get 'em, Tom!
BTW, you get quoted all the time on message boards and on eBay and
Craigslist. I always figure it's fine, part of viral marketing, and tacit
acknowledgment of the value you add... as long as you get the attribution.
But this is the first time that I've seen your stuff and no SM citation.
Signature work, too. You'd think they'd pilfer something less obvious.
Doug
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12) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
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I agree Doug - it's all a matter of degree too. And I am proud of the 
fact people learn from us, but the idea is to take in our information 
as a source, reference it against your own experience, and come up 
with your own ideas ... that's good dialectic progress. Copy-paste is 
not.
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-Tom
"Great coffee comes from little roasters" - Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting
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13) From: Jim and Tina Wheeler
Copy and paste cost one person a job.  A while back, I received a resume and
writing example that were pretty impressive, except that the writing example
was copied from me.  Had to agree that the writing was good, but didn't hire
the guy.
Another prime example was the fellow who copied a method I wrote up, forgot
where it was from, and submitted it to me for review.  Another bad
impression.
Fortunately, most people are honest.
-- 
Jim in Skull Valley
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14) From: Ira
At 04:15 PM 3/17/2009, you wrote:
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That's so weird. I've had it happen twice. I was interviewing people 
for a programming and they brought me sample code they didn't write 
the didn't work. One guy just looked at me and said "It worked when I 
left". Clearly it didn't, I was looking at the code and there was no 
way it ever worked.  Had he been smart enough to explain the problem 
and the fix, he might have had a chance.  Just weird. I guess they 
though I was the HR guy or something.
Ira
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15) From: Douglas Hoople
Funny, I didn't know it was so common, but it's inevitable, I guess.
I was involved a very long time ago on a big, strategic enterprise project
that collapsed eventually from being too big, which was the fate of an awful
lot of overly-ambitious software projects at tht time (the 80s). But not
before we managed to write some very cool groundbreaking software. Still, we
thought that there was a major challenge that was left undone. The software
was rebundled and sold to another big client who figured out how to make use
of some of the good stuff.
Fast forward a couple of years, and I found myself interviewing a guy who
had worked for the client that got our leftovers, asking him to explain his
own viewpoint on how to approach the big problem we left unsolved. I just
wanted to see how he'd think it through, and was curious to see how they
finally overcame our hurdle. He brightend up and said, "We solved that
problem! I'll show you the code if you're interested!"
By now, I probably don't even have to finish the story. The next day he
showed up with a code listing of something I had written three years before,
code that had NOT solved the problem, and that was still precisely as I had
left it. He proceeded to demonstrate to me how it did solve the problem,
oblivious to the fact that he was taking me line by line through my own
code, repeating the same naive assumptions that we had long since debunked.
I don't know exactly how he survived the interview process, but he actually
did get hired (it was a big organization), turned our shop into a madhouse,
and left in disgrace after 45 days.
Doug
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16) From: dennis true
Have I ever told you all how I invented the roasting of coffee?.....
HAHAHAHAHA
these are some great stories....how can some people honestly do these  
things....
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17) From: Jim and Tina Wheeler
Everyone has a favorite story in this vein.  Despite the others, my favorite
is the following:
I worked on an ASTM (American Society for Testing and Materials) method
committee for quite a while.  We prepared a standard method for a particular
type of sampling and analysis.  The EPA published it in a standard manual.
Nothing new there and quite normal.  However, I went to work for the Army
and reviewed a manual for sampling and analysis of that type by a
"scientist" in another work group.  You guessed it.  Word for word from the
EPA manual.  I confronted the author and his supervisor, explained that they
needed permission from the originator (who was clueless about the method),
and they dropped the matter.  About a year later, the copyist called me to
request a copy so he could use it for a job application.  After a bit of
reflection, I sent to him on the assumption that the new organization would
figure it out.  They did.
As a scientist and writer, I am a bit sensitive about intellectual property
rights and a displeased by the blatant failure of most people to understand
the problem with copying and claiming authorship.
Time to roast more coffee and chill out.  Black sun is on the agenda for
tasting this week.
-- 
Jim in Skull Valley
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18) From: Alchemist John
Well, I say he got 'em.
Here's the current page:
"This page is under construction and should be back up in a few days. 
Sorry for the inconvenience. "
At 04:09 PM 3/17/2009, you wrote:
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19) From: Phil Palmintere
Imbedding strategic errors is a not an unknown method to identify wholesale
copyright infringement.  I had an economics prof in grad school who
published a paper calendar that among other things contained the birthdates
of hundreds of historically famous economists (going back many hundreds of
years) together with some of their notable achievements. He told us in class
he completely fabricated the existence of many of them, giving them fake
bios etc... and he found several clear examples of shoddy academic research
for years where academics cited the prior work of these great economists who
existed solely in the mind (and paper) of George Stigler (a nobel laureate,
by the way, and perhaps because of that he was quite unforgiving of
intellectual honesty at the same time he understood all too well the
inclination of academics to, ahem, copy other's work.)
Back during the cold war, the US Army (I think) created maps showing bogus
roads, bridges, etc... and published them... the idea being that a
hypothetical enemy might rely on bad maps during a land war in Europe...  
phil
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20) From: Frank Parth
Along the same lines, I spent many years of an earlier career in a highly classified environment working for the 
US Govies. When certain technical documents were printed, each copy held a sentence that was phrased just slightly 
differently. Each copy was numbered and signed out to people who needed a copy and had the appropriate clearances and 
"need  to know" to get one.
The purpose was that if any copy ever showed up in foreign hands, they could immediately identify who had the original 
version of the document.
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21) From: Barry Luterman
As to attribution; back when I was working in a hospital in Missouri at the
beginning of every winter we had to attend a mandatory seminar on frostbite.
The data was amazingly complete. Such as for a 135 pound male exposed to 25
F @ 20% humidity for x hours so much and so much tissue would be lost from
the extremities. The data would go on like this until the last line which
would be death ensues. Then next all different ages weights and sexes. The
reference was always the same US Army Training Manual  ****
We wondered how they could have gotten such complete data. Finally the
Chairman of the Department found out the data came from captured documents
from Nazi  a concentration camp which used human experimentation.
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22) From: raymanowen
"...they didn't even correct the spelling of imminent (immanent is a
different word - and probably not the one intended).
Tom might want to fix this one on SM." [Heck, no- wouldn't touch it!]
Deliberate mispellings and unique grammatical constructs are like the tags
at the baggage claim carousel.
They all look the same to the LB's that cant spell to good. Then they carry
the plundered parcel around with a red flag for all the world to see,
invisible to the brainiacs...
I blew it again! At 12 days' rest on FC+ roast,
   - the almost wild complexity of the IMV has stabilized greatly as a press
   brew today,
   - the Ca/ De-presso with fixed vibe pump made nice with a double IMV shot
   yesterday, (Both, as the cup cooled slightly),
   - 20g left for a short Moka pot, waste some for a double shot or
   Vietnamese Filter cup.
First Moka pot of this roast was almost a train wreck Bright! and Complex!
The morning Moka pot should be a nice farewell to this roast. Then I roast
TWO! 400g of the IMV, plus one that will hit a home run on the first pitch -
right out of the roaster.
Maybe the IMV would be a little more organized, closer to < Vienna. Still
got some Vietnamese beans from ' 04. That ought to be a kick. They're vacuum
packed, compared to sea level barometer. The beI'm gonna do it.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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23) From: raymanowen
Mm mm... "The beI'm gonna do it."
The beans don't know from vacuum, it's all relative.. I'm gonna do it.
And so goes the miserable Comcast service, working with the fickle Windows
OS.
I wonder if it might come across if I rigged a surplus MRC-98 tropospheric
scatter terminal, no- it would take two for that tango. A little inefficient
with 50,000 watts of carrier power each, with no diversity. -??
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