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Topic: OT Grinds and drains (20 msgs / 395 lines)
1) From: Barry Luterman
The plumber just left my house $128 richer.I've lived here 11 years and have
been putting my coffee grinds down the disposal with little problem. I have
had 2 clogs in that time and some Drano fixed it both times. Yesterday the
mother of all clogs. Plumber ran the snake 40 feet twice through the line to
no avail. Finally, he blasted through the clog with a water bag. He said,
the clog was due to coffee grinds and the snake would just go through the
grinds and then the grinds would just close up again like quick sand. He
told me to stop throwing my grinds down the drain . I was just begging for
trouble if I continue doing it.
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2) From: Sandy Andina
which is why I bought a compost pail.
On Mar 17, 2009, at 9:25 PM, Barry Luterman wrote:
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3) From: John Mac
Barry,
Coffee grounds by themselves cannot cause a stoppage.
Where do you think all off the grease that you wash off your dishes goes?
Even when you pour off all the grease and scrape pans, plates, etc. you
still have residual grease. The hot water removes this grease and sends it
into the pipes.
This grease becomes a plaque that coats the walls of your pipes over the
years, food particulates and yes, grounds end up sticking to this plaque and
over time you end up with a blockage.
Sorry but his answer was not spot on, the grounds were a contributory
factor. The true problem being grease, as the glue that bound the coffee
grinds and all that other fun stuff that goes in sewer pipes!
Also shampoo, soap and other unmentionables add to this mess, as all of the
pipes converge in your house and make their way out .
The best advice is to limit the use of your garbage disposal and throw that
stuff into a compost pile or out with the trash.
Regards,
John in Nor Cal
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4) From: Barry Luterman
In essence that is what the plumber said but I shortened it for the list. He
charges 75 an hour. I didn't want to have to pay overtime for quoting him
completely.
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5) From: John Mac
That's cheap!
I charge $90 with a two hour minimum !
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6) From: Tom Ulmer
I probably shouldn't even think this out loud but after eight years of
strong suggestions from me and a few episodes of shower pan surprises I
believe my household learned to care for a drain field. I only wish those
lessons were a $128.

7) From: Douglas Hoople
Coffee in the drain is problematic in a couple of ways. Our dishwasher
drains into the disposal (Lord knows why, but it's a pretty standard
arrangement), and whenever I toss a volume of beans (bad roast batch, stale
beans), the beans like to lodge themselves in the dishwasher drain outlet.
When that happens, the drain backs up and diverts to the vent on top of the
sink, and the kitchen counter takes a serious bath!
Doug
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8) From: michael kaericher
Why wouldn't you just toss your "volume of bean" into the garbage (or even your garden) rather than the garbage disposal??
Mike K
From: Douglas Hoople 
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] OT Grinds and drains
Coffee in the drain is problematic in a couple of ways. Our dishwasher
drains into the disposal (Lord knows why, but it's a pretty standard
arrangement), and whenever I toss a volume of beans (bad roast batch, stale
beans), the beans like to lodge themselves in the dishwasher drain outlet.
When that happens, the drain backs up and diverts to the vent on top of the
sink, and the kitchen counter takes a serious bath!
Doug
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9) From: jeff michel
Try filling sink with hot water, release plug and turn on disposal  
once a month. Flush out some of the sludge.
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10) From: MikeG
The practice of putting coffee grounds - or any solids - down the
drain seems so ..............  counterintuitive.
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11) From: Zara Haimo
After a few costly visits from the plumber, I've started putting all my 
coffee debris around my rose bushes which seem to like the acid fertilizer. 
I keep a jar by the espresso machine and empty it every couple of days.
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12) From: Douglas Hoople
Good question. The garden's a better bet, although most gardeners I know
flinch at the thought of too much coffee in their compost. Too technical for
me as an apartment dweller, so I don't know the underlying reason or even
the truth of the assertion.
I don't like the thought of organic waste heading off to the landfill, so
the garbage is my last choice.
But, now that you mention it, running it down the drain places a burden on
sewage treatment, doesn't it?
Compost is really the best bet. Great! Now I need to buy a house with a
garden! Homeroasting IS a really expensive hobby, isn't it?! :-)
Doug
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13) From: Gary Foster
I'm sorry to hear your travails, but I gotta say you should be composting
those grinds anyway.  They make excellent additions to a compost pile if you
have one.
I can remember from when I was a little kid getting yelled at for putting
grinds down the drain.  My aunt used to collect everyone's coffee grounds
and she used them to make what she called "worm dirt" and raised red
wrigglers for fish bait.  She was a fishing maniac (as is most of my
family).
Now I save the grinds and sprinkle them on my garden.  It keeps the slugs
and snails from destroying my lettuces and brassicas if I sprinkle a
boundary line around the garden with coffee grounds.
-- Gary F.
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14) From: Seth Grandeau
What do the composters on the list do in winter?  Having never composted, I
was wondering if the process continued in sub-freezing temps.
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15) From: Mark Osborne
Very slowly.....
Mark
West Sonoma County
light frost occasionally....used grinds from local espresso shop.....
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16) From: John A C Despres
My wife and I still throw our kitchen waste into the composter during the
winter. Yes, it fills up and freezes, but it thaws and breaks down pretty
quickly.
John
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17) From: Sandy Andina
Many cities and counties (usually park districts) have central  
composting facilities for eco-conscious apartment dwellers and others  
with no room for an outdoor bin (and no gardens needing to be  
fertilized).  Some might even pick your composting waste up if you put  
it in approved yard-waste bags normally used for leaves and grass  
clippings (those latter two become mulch).  And some even let you take  
home small amounts of the finished product for free.
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18) From: Sandy Andina
I still dump my full compost pail into the outdoor bin in winter (not  
hard to brush the snow off).  The process slows, or even stops, of  
course--and it's not worth buying worms because they wouldn't survive  
the cold. But come spring, it starts up again. I think we've had our  
last hard freeze of the year, but you never know--I will buy worms  
beginning May 1. (We've had snow and sub-freezing temps as late as May  
3 in Chicago).  Just got our landscaping contract to sign--we'll have  
to tell them not to move the compost bin, and to use its contents  
(once they've decomposed) in lieu of fertilizer.
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19) From: Tim Carter
I just keep throwing stuff on, including coffee grounds.  Atlanta is 
mild, but it does get cold in winter--usually mid-teens, but 6F this 
winter.  If I've got a good carbon/nitrogen ratio, it will get hot 
enough in the center (130-150 degrees) you could keep your coffee warm 
in it (yucky thought though).
Tim
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20) From: Frank Parth
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I was reading an article in the LA Times last summer (or so) that ocean pollution started going way up when 
garbage disposals became popular.
Instead of throwing their leftover food scraps in the garbage, people mushed them in the garbage disposal and flushed 
them into the sewer system. That significantly increased the amount of pollution in the oceans and lakes. Now that we 
have treatment plants the problem is a lot smaller, but we have a lot more people also.
I think many gardeners are convinced that the acids in the coffee beans will acidify the soil. But based on what I read 
on this list awhile back the acids are taken out in the brewing process, so the resulting wet grounds are fairly 
neutral in pH.
Frank Parth
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