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Topic: Why Behmor? (55 msgs / 2038 lines)
1) From: Jeff Kilpatrick
I'm going to ask a question that may offend many of you, so I apologize in
advance.  No matter where you stand on this, you shouldn't get offended.[1]
I've been roasting for a few years and am looking to move from an iRoast to
something a bit larger.  It's a story you've heard many times on this list.
 Rather than asking the standard question "what should I buy?" I'd like to
hone in on something that seems a bit strange to me.
It seems like every couple of days, I see a post on this list or on the SM
forum about a new and unexpected way that somebody's Behmor has failed.  I
hear about fires, motor and computer failures, having to roast smaller
capacities than the program indicates, the inability to go more than a few
snaps into second crack, and so forth.  A (very technically adept) friend of
mine used a new one five or six times, got frustrated and sold it to another
friend who used it as many times before the motor went out.  Major component
failure after less than a dozen roasts doesn't speak well for the product.
 With that in mind, here's the question: why the hell would anybody want one
of these things?  Is there just a vocal minority with problems?  Is it just
that great when it actually does work?  Is it the fact that it's cheaper
than the GC or HT?  Is it just that homeroasters often have a DIY attitude
and may even like having something to fix all the time?
Now, with that asked, please allow me to mitigate any flame wars.  The fact
is, I've never used a Behmor and have only seen one in operation once.  I'm
asking this question because I really want to know.  A friend might be
selling one soon and my HT fund is growing at an excruciatingly slow pace.
 I sincerely hope that there are just tons of people who use them and we
hear about absolutely every problem that comes up with every unit.  If my
impression is wrong, please, please help me correct it!
Now, Behmor owners, please tell me: why do you like (or dislike) your
roaster?
Thanks,
-jeff
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[1] Unless, of course, you designed or manufacture the Behmor.  If you did
and think I'm giving you a bad rap, please correct my impression.
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2) From: Rich
I think you will find that the whiners and complainers are very good at 
making noise.
I have one that is 18 months old and has been roasting 1lb 2X a week 
every week.  The afterburner gave it up a couple of weeks ago.  That is 
a failure that is to be expected, just like a light bulb.
There are people who see one little spark of chaff burning and scream 
fire.  That is not a fire.
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3) From: Robert D. Crawford
Jeff Kilpatrick  writes:
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Let me prefix this with some information.  I am on my second Behmor.  My
first one went 52 roasts before I got a new one.  I thought it was not
getting hot enough for 1lb and Joe sent me a new one.  The second one
has now gone 280 roasts without a hiccup.  I regularly roast 1lb 10 to
20 seconds into second crack on P2 and P3 with no problem at all and
without jumping through hoops like reducing the pre-roast time and then
extending it after the roast begins.  I checked my voltage with a
Kill-a-Watt and it was at the lower end of what was acceptable.  I've
made only two changes to the unit... I covered half of the exhaust to
slow the escape of heat and I have a piece of foil-covered cardboard
that fits where the sensor is on the right.  Everything now runs just as
the manual states the times and levels should be.
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This is an age old issue.  Almost everyone will complain when something
goes wrong but only a few will praise when something goes right.  Ask
anyone in the restaurant business, especially pizza or the like where
there is no immediate interaction after the patron eats.
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I think if you read more about it, both here and elsewhere (coffeegeek
etc.) you will hear many knowledgeable people say that this is the best
roaster you can get for the money.  
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I had a neighbor when I was a kid that had an old '55 Chevy.  He didn't
care that it broke down because he liked to fix it.  I don't mind
tinkering but after I fix something it better damn well remain fixed.
Other than the initial tinkering I did (see above) I have not changed or
tinkered with anything.
One other thing you _must_ take into consideration.  This is a _NEW_
item.  No matter how much testing you do beforehand you are not going to
get all the bugs out in a 1.0 release.  As it is sometimes said in the
software world, stay away from the 1 point uh-oh release.  That being
said, I think Joe has done a marvelous job with this roaster and the
company has the best product support I've ever seen.  There are many
others on this list that will also attest to this fact.  If you are
worried about the roaster breaking down, I would say your worries are
a little unfounded.  You should, however, make sure that the warranty
extends to a second owner if you are looking to get warranty repair
done.  
rdc
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Robert D. Crawford                                     robdcraw
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4) From: Seth Grandeau
Jeff,
I think there is a vocal minority effect at play here.  I've been using mine
for over 100 roasts with no problems to speak of.  From what I've read from
others, when there are problems, the Customer support is fantastic.  For me,
the decision to go with the Behmor came down to the following:
   1. Cost for size.  I upgraded from an iRoast and I find the size much
   more usable.  Though I have not had great luck with 1 lb roasts, I've been
   very happy with results up to 3/4 lb.
   2. Smoke suppression.  My wife has asthema and even with the dryer hose
   out the window on the iRoast, the house got smokey.  Now, with the smoke
   suppressor on the Behmor, I can roast in the kitchen with an air purifier on
   and no complaints
   3. Noice level.  With the iRoast, I had a hard time hearing the cracks.
   With the Behmor, it's very clear.
   4. Reputation.  At the time I bought mine, all you read on the list was
   praise for how wonderful this new roaster was.
Looking back at my purchase, I have no regrets.  I've been much happier
roasting with the Behmor and I think the coffee tastes better.  I also find
it much more repeatable than the iRoast, but still not perfect.
-Seth
On 6/7/09, Jeff Kilpatrick  wrote:
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5) From: Dave Huddle
Since Thanksgiving day of 2007, I've done 180+ runs in my Behmor.
After every roast I use a shop vac on all openings - top, bottom,
ends, back and inside.   I also wipe the interior with a cloth
moistened with Simple Green, followed by a wipe down with a wet cloth.
  After every 5th roast I run the Behmor empty on the 1/2 lb setting.
   (After reading the May 27 Behmor update on cleaning procedures, I
opened my machine - right end and rear exhaust - and found almost no
debris.)
During the first burn in run, the drum stopped turning.    Joe Behm
called me on Thanksgiving day, 2007 to solve the problem - a loose
plug under the right end cover.     NO more problems since that day.
I've had NO fires, no motor failure, no computer failure or other
problems.   The drum has never slipped out of the left support as
others have mentioned.    The squeaking that was audible when the
machine was new has ceased.   I think I put peanut oil on the support
maybe twice to silence the squeaking.
I always roast 16 oz. at the 1 lb setting, or 8 oz. at the 1/2 lb
setting, or 4 oz at the 1/4 lb setting (unless I poke a wrong button>)
I'm able to roast as darkly as I want to.   (Once in a while, due to
operator error, I've roasted too darkly!)
Reasons I like the Behmor - capacity, ease of use, ease of cleaning,
relatively quiet, variable profiles, beans visibility, smoke
suppression, adequate cooling, more attractive price than HT or
GeneCafe, and customer support direct from Joe Behm.
I'm not much of a tinkerer, so I appreciate a machine that does the
job for me right out of the box!
In the past, I've owned & used popcorn poppers, Hearthware Gourmet,
Hearthware Precision, Alpenrost, Z&D, FreshRoast, and 'wb'.  The
Hearthwares and AlpenRost machines are worn out, and some of the
plastic has melted/deformed on the 'wb' roasters.   The Z&D auger
drive is erratic, and the FR is just too small for our needs on a
daily basis.
Dave
Westerville, OH
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7) From: Joseph Robertson
Very nice group synopsis. So nice to have all this experience here. If I was
in the market I would buy one from all I have read here.
JoeR
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8) From: Yakster
I think that the decision to buy a Behmor comes down to excellent customer
support first along with capacity and price.
I've been roasting since February (40 some roasts) and in that time I had a
problem with my drum that Joe Behm happily took care of.  I come from a
customer support background and I am blown away by the support that Behmor
has.
For me, I got tired of the small batch size of the popcorn popper and I'm on
a budget so Behmor was the answer for me.  For someone who wants infinite
control over roast profiles, it may not be the answer, but it has allowed me
sufficient variables (with the addition of a thermostat taped to the
ceiling) to get the level of control and reproducibility that I need.  It
may be that since I'm a black coffee drinker and not an espresso drinker,
that my requirements are not as stringent.  I've roasted as dark as Vienna
or French, but I prefer origin flavors and tend to roast lighter.  It's also
nice to have the option to roast indoors or in the garage without worrying
about excessive smoke; there's little or no smoke up to second crack.
I've heard a lot of stories from folks who've had fires in there Behmors and
after cleaning them out having no problems with the roasts.  Many will say
that the Behmor is built like a tank and that the reliability is there.  For
a product that is made by a contract manufacturer in China, you expect some
issues, but if the company stands behind their product that may outweigh
whatever issues you have.
In the end it's a judgement call, it's you that has to be happy with the
product.  I feel that it's a great product for a lot of people but I know
that there is a segment of people who would value control and profile over
conveince, batch size, and price.
-Chris
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9) From: decrisce.md
I agree with the selection bias, people post when there are questions and problems more than when things are ok. 
I have had mine for a year and a half, and have roasted approx 125 times with very few problems. I have been immensely happy with it. 
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10) From: David Rossell
I love the Behmor.  I've been using it for a year and a half now with
roasting about 1.5 pounds a week, sometimes more.  It has worked consistently
and well the whole time.  The only times I've run into trouble have been when
I let the appliance get too dirty on the inside, which resulted in the
thermocouple keeping the heat in the unit too low.  But that's really a user
issue.  It's the only device I've ever roasted coffee in, so I don't have
much for comparison, but I will say that if it ever broke, I'd be ordering a
new one the same day.
David

11) From: webviking6
I've had my Behmor for over a year.  I roast at least twice a week, 
always a pound.  The second roast I did, I pushed it too far and had the 
thing shut off for overheating and fill my place with a thick acrid 
cloud of smoke.  Once the heating element didn't turn on, but unplugging 
it and plugging it back in fixed that problem.
In my opinion, the thing is a tank.  It's simple, well built and solid.  
Once you get used to the profiles, and how to roast using it, it's easy 
to get consistent repeatable roasts.
If you smashed my Behmor up right in front of me with a sledgehammer 
(and you better be prepared to spend some time and effort at it), I 
wouldn't even consider for a second buying anything but another Behmor 
to replace it.
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12) From: Yakster
As to fires in Behmors, chaff fire is a risk for any roaster left
unattended, especially if you are tweaking the profile by intentionally
setting the roaster for a larger batch size then you are roasting.  I think
all the accounts of fires I have read have have been a result of this.
-Chris
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13) From: Dave
I got my Behmor a year and a half ago. I use it every week, usually I do 2
roasts at a time back to back. I don't see adjusting the time to get the
roast I want as a deficit, I think the programmed times will generally do an
OK job, but by tweaking the times I get my roast where I want it, every
time, as long as I pay attention. I've had a couple minor chaff fires, but
no damage, and they didn't destroy any roasts, Hey it's a heat device, and
there's this papery stuff in there...
I have no regrets, the machine works as advertised, and I drink great
coffee.
Dave
Some days...
It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
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14) From:
18 months roasting ~2 lbs a week and I've had no major problems. I have replaced the afterburner when it went out (which is, as has been noted, something that will happen in time. I believe Joe has switched to a heavier resistance wire in the afterburner for better life), but, once I got a variac to ensure consistent voltage is delivered to the machine, it's been pretty much perfect.
Having run customer service departments for a couple of companies in the musical instrument industry, I can guarantee that satisfied customers rarely post about their good experiences with a product, whereas people with problems will post voluminously.
I'd buy one again in a second.
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15) From: Scott Miller
So, this following directions and maintaining a solid cleaning pattern
works, eh?
WHO KNEW?
Well, I haven't been quite as diligent about between roast cleaning, but
have regularly run the machine on an empty cycle every 5th roast or so.
cheers,
Scott --> thinks Behmor is a good option for home roasting.
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16) From: Rick Copple
To add to the ad hoc survey,
I've had mine since Christmas 2007. So been using it for around a year 
and a half. I love it.
And I've not modified it in any way, shape or form. I exclusively roast 
1# at a time...I bought it because it could do that. I have rarely had 
trouble getting it as dark as I wanted (except once when I realized I 
needed to clean the thing over and above my regular cleaning). I've even 
accidentally obtained a vienna roast in it before. I rarely go beyond 
FC+. Usually I'm shooting for C+ to Full City. But I usually manually 
hit the cool button before time runs out to avoid getting too dark.
I've had no break downs or problems with it. It simply does the job. I'm 
very happy with it. Doesn't mean you may not get one that has a problem, 
but Joe has the best customer service you could ever dream of. So any 
defect will be dealt with at no additional cost.
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17) From: Jeff Kilpatrick
Big thanks to all who answered.  This has been a great and (happily)
one-sided discussion.  You've almost convinced me to try and get this used
Behmor.  A few things still trouble me.  First, the machine I'd be getting
is just over a year old now, so it would most likely not be covered under
warrantee.  Second, even as you guys rave about this thing, I'm still
hearing about lots of parts failing, which is a bit disconcerting.  Finally,
I still can't recall a single post about problems with the GC or HT (except
one last week due to a very dark roast; my failure to remember does not
necessarily mean they didn't happen, so I'll have to do some hunting through
the archives before any decision is made).
Anyway, I'll post to the list in a couple months if I end up getting it.  I
really appreciate the insight and careful consideration you've shared.
Thanks!
-jeff
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18) From: Ken Schillinger
I'll throw my hat in as a satisfied Behmor user. I don't know how many 
roasts I've done in mine, but I bought it when SM's put them up for sale and 
have been using it since. If mine went missing, I'd replace it with the same 
unit.
Ken
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19) From: michael brown
i've enjoyed reading this thread.  i've had my behmor for about 2 yrs now i=
 think.  i got chaff fires on the first several roasts and have had a coupl=
e since the beginning.  some beans just sneak into 2nd quicker than i thoug=
ht they would.  i've never been able to get a full pound out of my roaster =
though.  that kind of dissapointed me.  i've gotten 7.5 ounces but that's t=
he most.  once i figured out how to work the controls and bringing the time=
 down before i started, that opened up a whole new world for me.  i've also=
 blown a sensor that tech support helped me bypass and have resolved that i=
ssue.
for me, this basic roaster, with 5 basic profiles was what i needed to star=
t.  there would have been a much steeper learning curve for me ( i think an=
yway) to learn on the hot top.  now that i've played with the behmor for so=
me time i want more control over my profiles and would love to have a hot t=
op.  i'm hopefully going to have to upgrade to a more commercial unit anywa=
y if i can get financing to come through on a cafe i want to open.  but for=
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ut of it.  and of course with the support of behmor, sweet marias, and the =
email list, i've come a long way since my first fire in the behmor.
good topic.
Michael Brown
in b'ham, AL
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20) From: Seth Grandeau
Jeff,
I think the Behmor vs. the HT or GC is somewhat of an apples to oranges
comparison.  If you want more control, don't mind spending more, and are not
concerned about smoke, HT and GC are probably better options.  If you are
not as concerned about control (I find the 5 Behmor profiles to be
sufficient for my enjoyment), care about smoke, or don't want to spend as
much, the go with the Behmor.  Since my primary concern was smoke and I do
not feel limited by the 5 profiles, I have felt no desire to upgrade.  When
I had the iRoast, I wanted to upgrade almost immediately.
-Seth
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21) From: MikeG
My Behmor sits next to my Hottop B, and gets all the use while the
Hottop watches, hoping someday it's number will  be called again.
I like:
12 oz batch size (run on 1lb setting, whats the big deal?)
Ease of use
Price
Hands off operation
Wisper quiet - which I've found I need to hear the timid 1C or 2C of
decaf sumatra and some older vac sealed beans on hand.
Lack of $$$$ messy, damp filters as consumable designed into Hottop
Coffee - my Mokha Matarri tastes great run 8 seconds into 2C !
I dry run every 8 batches or so and keep the metal over the sensor clean.
Joe Behm is a hero to me!
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22) From: g paris
Hi Jeff:
great question. I have had most of the "home roasters" you will see
mentioned
on the forums.
I bought my Behmor when it first came out and frankly, loved it.
Of the roasters I have had I have kept the Hot Top, Fresh Roast (replaced
last year with a Fresh Roast 8, because I can roast some beans in 3/4
minutes and drink great coffee.) I do have an RK Drum that I use for larger
batches and when I go the the local Farmers Market.
I decided that the Hot Top gave me the ability to adjust my roast to suit
myself.
That said I fooled around with the Behmor and never seemed to capture "my
way" with it.
After roasting for 6 plus years I have decided that having/buying a home
coffee roaster is a hugely personal
thing.
Maybe it's time for one of our local home roasting supply folks to "rent" a
specific roaster for a couple of weeks
to allow folks to try them...
Before spending between 150/1000 bucks it may be worth 50 bucks for a two
week trial of a roaster.
jeff,
let us know what you buy!!
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23) From: John and Emma
Jeff,
I've had my Behmor about 1 1/2 years and roast 1 to 2 lbs every week. I had
only one problem. I had the motor fail early on. I was shipped the new part
to Canada a no cost to me and given step by step instructions on how to
replace it. I have never had an issue since. Being in Canada nobody ships us
stuff for free. To me this is not a negative but a huge positive. The
company wanted me to be fully satisfied and I am.
Why do I like my Behmor? =
Simplicity, I like that it had the profiles that you would use and create on
any other roaster already preprogrammed. When I bought my machine I had only
used a poppery II. I was a relative novice when it came to home roasting and
understanding profiles when I bought my Behmor. You can play and learn how
the profiles affect you roast as much or as little as you want by using the
+/- before and after start.
Unlike what a lot of people have mentioned. For us the settings are perfect.
If I roast 16 oz at the 1 lb setting and use P2 B the temp drop happens as
first crack starts. I may have to hit the + once before start for certain
beans. I don't have a problem reaching Vienna/French roast on my machine. It
happened once by accident.
I really like the large capacity. We need to roast 1-2 lbs every week. With
1/2 lb capacity or less it's hard to find the time to roast enough coffee.
Price was a major factor. I liked that I could spend the extra money on
coffee instead.
Can use sight, sound and smell to detect roast. I can hear first and second
crack. I sometimes get faked out using P2 because first crack may only be
two or three cracks and I had interpreted them as outliers of first crack.
This isn't common. I didn't need to cut a hole in my chaff collector to be
able to use visual queues. After only a couple of roasts your eyes adjust to
seeing through the mesh. The Behmor is also great at letting you use your
sense of smell.
Easy cleanup.
Smoke suppression. I roast in my kitchen.
Lastly, the best customer service I have every experienced from a
manufacturer. Before I get attacked, SM"s is not a manufacturer. =
All the best.
John H. =

24) From: MikeG
While I'm at it, nothing could get me to buy a Behmor anywhere but SM
with the 8 lb sample pack.  As a home roaster, if they don't have it I
can live without it in my coffee universe.  They've more than earned
that loyalty from me.
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25) From: John and Emma
I forgot to add Behmor Thing to the list. Thanks Ira.
Jeff, make sure you really read what miKe just said. Joe does stands behind
his product and though I had the very small issue with the motor it was soon
after I got it. I have not had a single problem since. If you need the
capacity and you don't have the finances to blow on bigger machines I
personally stand strong in saying you can't beat the Behmor.
John H. =

26) From: Wally Merrin
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I'm a little late to the party, but I'd like to chime in.  I've only  
had my Behmor since the first of the year, but I would buy it again if  
I had to.  I started with the Fresh Roast 8 but the small roast size  
was getting to be a drag, even though I'm the only coffee drinker in  
the house.  I moved up to the Behmor and haven't regretted it at all.   
I usually roast about 1/2 pound per week and I like the convenience of  
roasting inside the house.  Because my wife has asthma I set it on the  
stove and run the exhaust hood during the roast.  Unless I do  
something wrong, this is sufficient to keep things under control.   
Once or twice I let the roast go too long and got into Vienna, but I  
prefer the lighter roasts and I'm usually able to hit the "Cool"  
button in time to avoid smoke.
I mentioned once in a previous post about getting "sparklies" right  
after starting the cool cycle, but that was when roasting Yemen Moka  
Sana'ani.  That is a very high chaff bean, and a little chaff flashing  
isn't the same as an actual fire.  I've never had a bean fire, and  
rarely do I even see flashes from chaff igniting.  Actually, rarely do  
I even see smoke - and when I do it is usually because a few beans  
have fallen through the wire grid and are laying on the chaff tray  
overheating.
I'm happy with my Behmor and have no plans for an upgrade any time  
soon.  I just drink brewed coffee, no espresso, and the Behmor does  
everything I need..
Wally
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27) From: Allon Stern
On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:44 PM, g paris wrote:
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That echoes my concern with the Behmor (which I must admit, I have  
never played with).
I'm the kind of guy who likes a manual transmission. I like my camera  
to allow me to manually focus, set aperature and shutter speed. I  
like to be able to script my computer OS.
While the Behmor may produce solid consistent results, it seems  
limited in tweakability. Sure you can open the door a little and  
adjust from a few presets, but it still seems limited for tweaking in  
reaction to how the roast is progressing.
I could see owning a hottop someday. For now, I'm still messing with  
my heat gun and modified iRoast.
-
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28) From: raymanowen
" Major component failure after less than a dozen roasts doesn't speak well
for the product.
With that in mind, here's the question: why the hell would anybody want one
of these things? Is there just a vocal minority with problems?
Is it just that great when it actually does work?...."
"Now, Behmor owners, please tell me: why do you like (or dislike) your
roaster?"
[Bizarre thought- Did you read the manual cover-to-cover before or after you
had trouble?] -ro
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29) From: Jeff Kilpatrick
[Bizarre thought- Did you read the manual cover-to-cover before or after you
had trouble?] -ro
I can't speak for others, but I'm nearly certain that the first owner of the
unit I'd be buying read everything, possibly twice.  The second owner
probably didn't, but did get instructions from the first guy and the motor
failed after only a couple roasts in its new home.
-jeff
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30) From: Pat Sklenar
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jeff Kilpatrick 
wrote:
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For me it's really very simple ... I simply love the fresh, home roasted 
coffee i've been enjoying since Christmas 2007.
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31) From: Jeff Kilpatrick
Another huge thanks to everybody who's responded.  I especially appreciate
the info from those who have experience with multiple roasters.  I don't
think I'll be abusing a roaster like miKe, but it's nice to know the HotTop
can more or less take it.  MikeG commented that he has both the Behmor and
the HotTop, but only uses the Behmor.  Are there reasons for that other than
the noise and filters?
let us know what you buy!!
I'm a grad student, which is relevant for two reasons in this process.
 First, I have very limited income so I'm going to be very careful about
what I buy.  Last night, I calculated that I've been spending about 10% of
my gross income on coffee and related equipment for the last few months
(yikes!) which hasn't amounted to much more than a gift-subsidized Rocky and
some vacpot stuff.  Second, I'm okay with waiting a while to get something
bigger if I think it'll pay off in the long run.
With that in mind, my thoughts are as follows:
* I'm no longer concerned about reliability.  I've been keeping my 73 beetle
going for almost a decade and I would think a Behmor (or HotTop) would be
somewhat less complicated.  I hadn't considered the fact that most Behmor
failures might be occurring very early in these units' lives.  Indeed, my
friend's had had only about a dozen roasts when it failed.   Behmor: 1,
HotTop: 1
* On the other hand, I'm spending a lot of time these days tweaking my
iRoast profiles.  It has very limited control, but I'm slowly learning the
art of at least getting the temperature I want to show up on the
thermocouple.  Lack of control in the Behmor is a concern.  I'm the kind of
person who likes to tweak things and I'd like to move beyond ad hoc controls
like exhaust blocking/boosting.  Behmor: 1, HotTop: 2.
* The HotTop is a lot more expensive than the Behmor.  But then again, I'm
okay with the delay that causes as long as the iRoast keeps plugging along.
 Behmor: 2, HotTop: 3
* I'm somewhat concerned about the long term reliability of the Behmor. I'd
like to get something that'll last me 5+ years.  (Anybody want to correct me
on this one?).  Behmor: 2, HotTop: 4.
* I have the opportunity to play with a Behmor, but don't know anybody who'd
be willing to let me play with the HotTop (hint, hint to any HotTop owner
living near Houston).  Behmor: 3, HotTop: 4
* I don't mind the smoke, but my better half may soon have a say in the
matter and I'm moving to an apartment that may not have a balcony or other
outdoor roasting options available.  Behmor: 4, HotTop: 4
* Joe Behm and his company's customer service.  Behmor: 5, HotTop 4
* Desire to avoid upgradeitis for a few years.  Behmor: 5, HotTop: 5
So, that's the score right now, dead even.  In the end, I think I'll make
the call based on practical concerns: if I get a good deal on this used unit
and I have the money available at the time, I'll go for it and be happy with
the Behmor for a few years.  If not, I'll keep saving and get the HotTop if
I have a way to roast outside when I move.
Thanks again for your help.  This is a truly amazing group and a very useful
thread.
-jeff
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32) From: Jim Gundlach
My complaints about my problem with my Behmor roaster started this and  
I think people need to remember that I am as much a source of the  
problem as the roaster.
My key problem is that I am mentally incomplete as I recover from  
herpes simplex encephalitis.  While the herpes simplex virus is a very  
common, almost everyone over 20 is infected with it and the most  
common reaction to the infection is nothing noticeable at all.  The  
most common undesirable effects are oral cold sores and genital sores  
but these only show up among a very small percentage of the population  
infected with the virus because the human body has a very effective  
immunity reaction against it.  However, this virus gets into the  
brains of about a thousand Americans every year, I was one of those,  
and the young and old react very differently to it invading the  
brain.  For those of us over 50 when infected, our immunity system  
does nothing to fight it in the brain and even with modern medicine  
only about four percent of us live.  What happens is that there is no  
immunity left in the brain area after about age 50 and when this bug  
gets there it starts growing very rapidly.  This disease is so rare  
that almost all the older people who get infected do not get correctly  
diagnosed and treated in time to live.  My wife and daughter performed  
a miracle in getting me treated by a team who correctly identified the  
disease early enough for me to live.  The fact is I am doing better  
than any other victim my doctors have seen.
Anyway, I believe much of my problem with the Behmor is because I am  
unable to remember the content of the operation manual after I read  
it, this is due to my health problem, not my refusal to read.  I  
continue to have a great deal of trust and respect for Tom and  
Alchemist John.  My current roast of Bolivia FTO SHG EP Caranavi is  
among the best coffees I have ever had.  Given my long and diverse  
history of roasting, I even won a prize in a roasting contest, this  
level of performance by this easy to use and relatively economical  
roaster speaks well for it and the people who helped bring it to me.
       pecan jim
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33) From: Allon Stern
On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Jim Gundlach wrote:
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Have you contacted Joe Behm? His support is legendary. Maybe he'll  
send you a new brain.
Maybe he could send you the smaller mesh mind-like-a-sieve, and it'll  
hold the manual in better.
-
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34) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
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Alas, If Joe could help with some of those problems, my new brain 
would already be installed. Of course, I would have to remember to 
suck the chaff out of my ears every few weeks, and to run the 
cleaning cycle after sustained periods of thought....
-- 
-Tom
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35) From: Brian Kamnetz
Rather than replacing my brain with a new copy of Brain 1.x, I am
holding out for the release of Brain 2.0. In my experience, Brain 1.0
is just too buggy.  I'm hoping that many of the bugs associated with
Brain 1.0 (which have required constant brain reboot) will have been
resolved in Brain 2.0.
Brian
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36) From: Barry Luterman
Jim re-reading your posts over the last few weeks the improvement in
language and syntax is quite remarkable. It is amazing just how plastic the
brain can be. It may take as long as a year but I am willing to wager a
complete recovery for you. Hang in there you will make it.
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37) From: Dave Huddle
One more Behmor comment - while the smoke suppression works, it does
NOT eliminate the need for good ventilation.
When our 1st floor was being renovated, I set off the smoke alarm
while roasting with the Behmor.   I didn't see smoke, but the Brinks
smoke detector several feet away, around a corner, detected it anyway.
Now I have an good exhaust hood over my roasting area with a door to
close off my roasting/laundry/dog room from the rest of the house.
Even after continuing to run the vent hood for a good 5 minutes after
the completion of a roast, I can smell a bit of coffee roast fragrance
in my roasting room.    But the new set up allows me to roast inside,
in comfort, year round no matter what the weather is!
Dave
Westerville, OH
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38) From: Bob Hazen
So Tom....  Could this be a script for a new Youtube video?  (vbg)
Bob
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39) From: Frank Awbrey
Well, Jeff, I am thinking you are over analyzing and just need to throw
caution to the wind and buy it. There has been enough good things said here
about the product (and on other forums) and the service quality, that I
don't think you should/would have any major worrys, concerns, or problems
with the purchase of the machine. Of course, I could be wrong. But, if you
are still that concerned with purchasing one of these, then you probably
shouldn't, just for peace of mind.
Now, having said all this, I must admit that I don't have a Behmor. But, I
will say it is not because of any concerns that you have for it. Right now,
I just cannot justify buying one to my wife (she does not nor has she ever
drank coffee). I use a simple, cheap popper and once or twice a week, spend
about 1 1/2 hours at a time roasting 4-5 batches of beans to satisfy my
desire (addiction) to coffee drinking (good coffee drinking). I would love
to have the Behmor, and even though I personally know no one on this site or
other forums, I would buy one in a minute just on the recommendations of the
people here. You have to put your trust somewhere.
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40) From: raymanowen
Now, I get it. Sorry Ich bin einer Arsch des Pferdes! Getting a machine from
Door #3, when owners number 1 and 2 neither read nor cared to follow
operation or maintenance instructions might be a little risky. Motors are
less complicated than 3-entrance button Westminster door chimes- mostly
bulletproof.
A five minute phone call may not be adequate OJT.
A digital control board could easily be zapped, especially when Owner #1 or
#2 has operated the machine with the polarized ground prong floating on a
two prong outlet with a reversed adapter- and the Ground pigtail or terminal
waving in the breeze. Machine has just been impregnated with electrons where
it ought to have a solid ground.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?
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41) From: Bob Glasscock
Good morning,
As an IRoast2 user who is considering upgrading, I want to thank the group
for this very informative thread. It had the potential for flames, yet
everyone has responded with courtesy and cool.
Bob Glasscock
Greenville, Ala.

42) From: Ira
At 11:17 PM 6/9/2009, you wrote:
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The Behmor or at least my Behmor doesn't have a 3 prong plug, just a 
2 prong polarized one.
Ira
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43) From: Benjamin VerHage
Another happy Behmor user here. It is the first and only roaster I have use=
d thus far. I had no roasting experience when I got this roaster and it h=
as taught me quite a lot. Since it is quiet, 1st and 2nd crack are easy t=
o hear. With a small mod to the chaff collector, it is easy to watch the ro=
ast develop as well. I've never had an issue with underroasting (I monito=
r my voltage and am always above 120v). I started by using P1...if I was ro=
asting 1/2# I used the 1/2# setting and maxed out the time. As I got more a=
nd more comfortable roasting, I started playing around with other profiles.=
 I just did roast #96 last night and it's still running strong.
Since I live in a condo and have no balcony or deck, the smoke suppression =
is a must-have for me. I roast by an open window in a closed-off room and t=
urn on a fan when the cooling cycle starts. There is noticable roast smell,=
 but I don't mind. I use smell to gage my roast as much as sound and sight.=
 It goes away after I open a door to let the air flow through (since I'm in=
 San Diego I can do this year round). I'd like to upgrade to a HotTop at so=
me point, but until I have an outside area to roast, I'll stay with the Beh=
mor. Even when that day comes, I'm hanging on to the Behmor for sure! If it=
 ever dies, I'll buy a new one same day, no question.
The only issue I've had was a bad motor a few months ago. They sent me a =
new motor immediately (I was happy to do the swap myself) and I had it fixe=
d within 2 days. I'm pretty sure I was out of warranty but it never came up=
. Like everyone has said, Joe and his team are fantastic and stand behind t=
heir product 100%. I have no doubt any issue that comes up will be taken ca=
re of (within reason of course).
I have been very consistant with my maintenance...vacuuming out the roaster=
 after each roast and after 5 roasts, cleaning with Simple Green and then=
 running a cleaning cycle. It still looks like new inside after almost 100 =
roasts. The only other thing I do is add a touch of canola oil on the c=
radle portion every 20 roasts or so when the drum starts squeaking. No big =
deal.
I say go for it! You won't regret it.
Ben
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44) From: Joseph Robertson
No problem as long as your house wiring is up to date and wired correctly.
Problem comes from old two wire construction and using the adaptor wrong
like RayO points out.
Joe
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45) From: Ira
At 07:59 AM 6/11/2009, you wrote:
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Please explain how plugging the unit wrong might compromise the 
control board. Electrocute the operator, maybe, but hurt the machine, 
not likely?
Ira
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46) From: Joseph Robertson
Ira,
This is a quote from RayO's post above,
"A digital control board could easily be zapped, especially when Owner #1 or
#2 has operated the machine with the polarized ground prong floating on a
two prong outlet with a reversed adapter- and the Ground pigtail or terminal
waving in the breeze. Machine has just been impregnated with electrons where
it ought to have a solid ground."
Ray has much more experience with digital boards than I do.
Joe
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47) From: Ira
At 12:56 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote:
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Which doesn't explain anything. There's been a lot of misleading or 
just plain wrong statements about electricity thrown around of late, 
and you're quoting RayO doesn't  answer the question, just 
perpetuates the myth.
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48) From: Andie Z
95% of the people who are not electricians or electrical technicians 
have no idea what the third (round) prong is for and what it 
does.  Most don't know what the proper name of it is.  Two wire is 
not bad.  Old wires may be bad.  AC and DC are different and that 
adds to the confusion.
Andie Z
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49) From: miKe mcKoffee
I'd tend to side with Ira on the ambiguity of the answers. The electronic
control boards in question are DC driven getting their power from an
internal to the Behmor power supply. Said internal power supply is of course
getting fed AC. I'd expect the power supply to fry from bad AC at worst not
the control boards. But then again could well be wrong and while have a good
"grounding" don't claim to be an electronics or electrical genius by any
stretch of the imagination. 
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50) From: raymanowen
Signal grounds, power grounds, power neutral returns and chassis grounds
should have "nothing" on them, but they're not the same. The signal may be
mere millivolts with respect to its ground, in the case of the thermocouple,
strain gauge or pH meter probe.
Have a noisy 170 volt peak 125v rms signal wandering around where it will
capacitively/ inductively couple to a signal line carrying a feedback signal
six orders of magnitude smaller, amplify it in an open loop op amp signal
conditioning stage. Let it be a control sensor of a PDP 11-07, controlling
an MTS 500 ton instrumented stiff frame press with an associated triaxial
load cell hooked to a 12,000 psi hydraulic intensifier.
Hardened metal test spacers can get crushed in an instant, with the sound of
an M-80! Just standing looking at it could be life-threatening, when the
force on the ram goes from 18 Kip (18,000 pounds force) to over 995 Kip in
an instant due to transients induced in the feedback loop.
Home appliances have to be designed in a double insulated form, so that no
conceivable mis wiring FUBAR can put the life of the operator at risk.
Computer designers, on the other hand, have no choice. It's not that they
care about the operator, and the switching power supplies are almost fool
proof.
Transients floating around in an ungrounded cabinet could easily equal the
amplitude of the digital signals themselves, garbling the digital data and
control signals. Electrostatic component damage can be caused by 50 - 100
volts in the wrong place. Easy to generate 1,000 volts and more on your body
just by shuffling your feet if you're ungrounded.
Solid state junctions can switch from cutoff to saturation with a few volts'
swing on a gate. Of the millions of such devices in a microprocessor or
digital signal processor, (DSP) one bad junction can shut it all down.
My favorite board to test and repair at Lucent had 5 DSP's on it. If the
60mHz clock didn't have perfect square waves, everything would fail. Several
lines would be rerouted in service, and the users would probably never know
even in the middle of a call or data transfer.
The 7-11 mop bucket sized coffee mug was my friend. I even brewed my own
roasted ground beans in their machine a few times. The extra pots I brewed
caused them to have to answer questions.
I just told 'em I cleaned the basket and carafes thoroughly. Initially, I
just brewed two pots using 1.5X coffee grounds each- one for me and one for
7-11. Couldn't get much fresher than that, 5 minutes from work.
In a normal environment, ESD has been diminished but not eliminated.
Uncommanded movement of control surfaces in an aircraft, for example, can be
disastrous.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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51) From: Joseph Robertson
miKe,
know anyone who would donate a behmor for an experiment?
<];^) Let's get a real world bench test.
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52) From: Allon Stern
On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:37 PM, raymanowen wrote:
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And all this is typically mitigated by proper design and fail safe  
analysis.
Yeah, gates are susceptible to static, but most chip packages have  
plenty of protection on the boundary.
And once installed in the system they're less susceptible, mainly due  
to proper shielding, grounding, isolation, etc.
Yes, clocks are a pain. Don't even get me started on SDRAM interfaces  
or data buffering.
I'm less worried about my roaster's power grounds and signal grounds  
than I am about the coffee grounds.
(Next roaster accessory - a wrist strap :)
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53) From: Joseph Robertson
Allon,
don't forget the anti-static pad for the roaster....=^)
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54) From: Yakster
I think the chaff is going to generate more static then the operator.
Makes me wonder about using a static generator to collect the chaff, I know
it sticks to my plastic canning funnel, but if I could pull them up out of
the tray onto a wand, that'd be cool.
-Chris
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55) From: Mark Lizotte
What sold me on Behmor was what I heard on this list.
I spent hours researching differrent roasters, reading the specs, looking o=
n the net.
It finally came down to the many, many stories I heard about customer servi=
ce. Over and over again I heard how well people were treated by Behmor. Bel=
ieve me this kind of experience is NOT common today.
I've had my Behmor for about 3 months. I probably have 30 roasts ( usually =
227 grams per roast ). I've had absolutely no issues. I did have a minor fl=
are up in the cooling cycle with the chaff...but that's to be expected from=
 time to time. I bought mine because not because I wanted a good cup of cof=
fee but because I wanted a GREAT cup of coffee every time.
I work in an emergency department and have brought coffee in for people to =
try. They love it. The Brazil Carmo de Minas do Serrado 227grams on the #1 =
P3 C setting to FC+ has been a hit.....so much so that I've actually sold n=
early $75 worth of coffee. Bummer I have to wait until next year to get the=
 Carmo again...sigh.
For anyone on the fence about buying a Behmor I'd say...Get off the stinkin=
g fence and get one! :-)  You will have a blast.
So many coffees...
Not enough money.
Mark
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Why Behmor?
Well, Jeff, I am thinking you are over analyzing and just need to throw
caution to the wind and buy it. There has been enough good things said here
about the product (and on other forums) and the service quality, that I
don't think you should/would have any major worrys, concerns, or problems
with the purchase of the machine. Of course, I could be wrong. But, if you
are still that concerned with purchasing one of these, then you probably
shouldn't, just for peace of mind.
Now, having said all this, I must admit that I don't have a Behmor. But, I
will say it is not because of any concerns that you have for it. Right now,
I just cannot justify buying one to my wife (she does not nor has she ever
drank coffee). I use a simple, cheap popper and once or twice a week, spend
about 1 1/2 hours at a time roasting 4-5 batches of beans to satisfy my
desire (addiction) to coffee drinking (good coffee drinking). I would love
to have the Behmor, and even though I personally know no one on this site or
other forums, I would buy one in a minute just on the recommendations of the
people here. You have to put your trust somewhere.
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