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Topic: Question on Roasting Flavored Coffee (26 msgs / 1961 lines)
1) From: craig moulton
I receive this updated email every day and I have learned a few things ab=
out home roasting.  I have a Fresh Roast Plus 8 which makes about a p=
ot at a time.  I am not a flavor coffee guy, but am curious as to how the=
se local roasters add the flavors to the coffee.  Is it possible at=
 home, if so, where can I learn about it?
 Craig =
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Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting "HomeRoast List" Digest
Today's Topics:
  1. Re: Why Behmor? (Allon Stern)
  2. Re: Why Behmor? (Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee)
  3. Re: Why Behmor? (Brian Kamnetz)
  4. Re: Why Behmor? (Barry Luterman)
  5. Re: Twiter Mail (Yakster)
  6. Re: Hearthware I-Roast 2 (Jim Couch)
  7. Re: Why Behmor? (Jeff Kilpatrick)
  8. Re: Why Behmor? (Pat Sklenar)
  9. Re: Why Behmor? (Jeff Kilpatrick)
  10. Roasting Profiles (Peter Minkow)
  11. Depressing discovery (ocrockus)
  12. Re: Why Behmor? (Dave Huddle)
  13. Re: Why Behmor? (Bob Hazen)
  14. Re: Depressing discovery (raymanowen)
  15. Good Eats espresso episode tonight (Sandy Andina)
  16. Re: Why Behmor? (raymanowen)
  17. Re: Why Behmor? (Bob Glasscock)
  18. Re: Good Eats espresso episode tonight (Allon Stern)
  19. Re: Roasting Profiles (Allon Stern)
  20. Re: Good Eats espresso episode repeats (Sam49)
  21. Re: Hearthware I-Roast 2 (Allon Stern)
  22. Anticipation (Michael Mccandless)
  23. Re: Anticipation (Doug Hoople)
  24. IR2 roasting profiles (Peter Minkow)
  25. Re: Depressing discovery (Ed Needham)
  26. Re: Twiter Mail (Christian Wiedmann)
  27. Re: Why Behmor? (Frank Awbrey)
  28. Re: Good Eats espresso episode tonight (Yakster)
  29. making coffee on a holiday... (Ries van Twisk)
  30. Re: Good Eats espresso episode tonight - viewing online (Sam49)
  31. Re: Why Behmor? (Ira)
  32. Re: Good Eats espresso episode repeats (jon morgan)
  33. Re: Good Eats espresso episode tonight - viewing online
      (David Morrow)
  34. Re: Twiter Mail (John A C Despres)
  35. Re: Depressing discovery (John A C Despres)
  36. Re: making coffee on a holiday...
      (Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee)
  37. Re: making coffee on a holiday... (Steven Van Dyke)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:05:27 -0400
From: Allon Stern 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Why Behmor?
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
    list,    available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistin=fo.html"
    
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Have you contacted Joe Behm? His support is legendary. Maybe he'll  =
send you a new brain.
Maybe he could send you the smaller mesh mind-like-a-sieve, and it'll  =
hold the manual in better.
-
allon
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:14:26 -0700
From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Why Behmor?
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
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Alas, If Joe could help with some of those problems, my new brain =
would already be installed. Of course, I would have to remember to =
suck the chaff out of my ears every few weeks, and to run the =
cleaning cycle after sustained periods of thought....
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-Tom
"Great coffee comes from little roasters" - Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roast=
ing
              Thompson & Maria -http://www.sweetmarias.com    Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
            phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - info_at_sweetmarias.com
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:25:18 -0400
From: Brian Kamnetz 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Why Behmor?
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
    list,    available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistin=fo.html"
    
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Rather than replacing my brain with a new copy of Brain 1.x, I am
holding out for the release of Brain 2.0. In my experience, Brain 1.0
is just too buggy.  I'm hoping that many of the bugs associated with
Brain 1.0 (which have required constant brain reboot) will have been
resolved in Brain 2.0.
Brian
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:27:31 -1000
From: Barry Luterman 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Why Behmor?
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
    list,    available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistin=fo.html"
    
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Jim re-reading your posts over the last few weeks the improvement in
language and syntax is quite remarkable. It is amazing just how plastic the
brain can be. It may take as long as a year but I am willing to wager a
complete recovery for you. Hang in there you will make it.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:45:34 -0700
From: Yakster 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Twiter Mail
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
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Actually, from what I've read on the twittermail site, the twittermail
address provides a way for users to update their twitter feeds.  You can't
actually read emails from twittermail.
There shouldn't be any reason I can think of for a twittermail address to be
on the mailing list roster.
-Chris
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:58:14 -0500
From: Jim Couch 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Hearthware I-Roast 2
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
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Yup, learning with an HG/DB setup is not only cheap but will allow you to be
able to get a good roast out of any of the roasting machines if you just
watch listen and sniff.
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Kidney stones may be more painful than childbirth, but, few 12 year old
stones try to browbeat you for the "right" cell phone and calling plan.
"Idiots are so much fun. Thats why every village has or wants one."  Greg
House
Why don't you ever see the headline 'Psychic Wins Lottery?
There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by
reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to
pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:33:05 -0500
From: Jeff Kilpatrick 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Why Behmor?
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
    list,    available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistin=fo.html"
    
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[Bizarre thought- Did you read the manual cover-to-cover before or after you
had trouble?] -ro
I can't speak for others, but I'm nearly certain that the first owner of the
unit I'd be buying read everything, possibly twice.  The second owner
probably didn't, but did get instructions from the first guy and the motor
failed after only a couple roasts in its new home.
-jeff
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:37:27 -0400
From: Pat Sklenar 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Why Behmor?
To: homeroast
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jeff Kilpatrick =
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coffee i've been enjoying since Christmas 2007.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:41:04 -0500
From: Jeff Kilpatrick 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Why Behmor?
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
    list,    available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistin=fo.html"
    
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Another huge thanks to everybody who's responded.  I especially appreciate
the info from those who have experience with multiple roasters.  I don't
think I'll be abusing a roaster like miKe, but it's nice to know the HotTop
can more or less take it.  MikeG commented that he has both the Behmor and
the HotTop, but only uses the Behmor.  Are there reasons for that other t=
han
the noise and filters?
let us know what you buy!!
I'm a grad student, which is relevant for two reasons in this process.
First, I have very limited income so I'm going to be very careful about
what I buy.  Last night, I calculated that I've been spending about 10% of
my gross income on coffee and related equipment for the last few months
(yikes!) which hasn't amounted to much more than a gift-subsidized Rocky and
some vacpot stuff.  Second, I'm okay with waiting a while to get something
bigger if I think it'll pay off in the long run.
With that in mind, my thoughts are as follows:
* I'm no longer concerned about reliability.  I've been keeping my 73 bee=
tle
going for almost a decade and I would think a Behmor (or HotTop) would be
somewhat less complicated.  I hadn't considered the fact that most Behmor
failures might be occurring very early in these units' lives.  Indeed, my
friend's had had only about a dozen roasts when it failed.  Behmor: 1,
HotTop: 1
* On the other hand, I'm spending a lot of time these days tweaking my
iRoast profiles.  It has very limited control, but I'm slowly learning the
art of at least getting the temperature I want to show up on the
thermocouple.  Lack of control in the Behmor is a concern.  I'm the kin=
d of
person who likes to tweak things and I'd like to move beyond ad hoc controls
like exhaust blocking/boosting.  Behmor: 1, HotTop: 2.
* The HotTop is a lot more expensive than the Behmor.  But then again, I'm
okay with the delay that causes as long as the iRoast keeps plugging along.
Behmor: 2, HotTop: 3
* I'm somewhat concerned about the long term reliability of the Behmor. I'd
like to get something that'll last me 5+ years.  (Anybody want to correct=
 me
on this one?).  Behmor: 2, HotTop: 4.
* I have the opportunity to play with a Behmor, but don't know anybody who'd
be willing to let me play with the HotTop (hint, hint to any HotTop owner
living near Houston).  Behmor: 3, HotTop: 4
* I don't mind the smoke, but my better half may soon have a say in the
matter and I'm moving to an apartment that may not have a balcony or other
outdoor roasting options available.  Behmor: 4, HotTop: 4
* Joe Behm and his company's customer service.  Behmor: 5, HotTop 4
* Desire to avoid upgradeitis for a few years.  Behmor: 5, HotTop: 5
So, that's the score right now, dead even.  In the end, I think I'll make
the call based on practical concerns: if I get a good deal on this used unit
and I have the money available at the time, I'll go for it and be happy with
the Behmor for a few years.  If not, I'll keep saving and get the HotTop =
if
I have a way to roast outside when I move.
Thanks again for your help.  This is a truly amazing group and a very use=
ful
thread.
-jeff
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:50:53 -0400
From: Peter Minkow 
Subject: [Homeroast] Roasting Profiles
To: homeroast
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On recent posts, reference has been made to long and short roasting profiles
on the IR2. Are longer profiles better for particular brewing methods and
shorter profiles for others? Are longer profiles better for certain bean
origins? My questions assume maintaining the same roast level, City +. I'm
relatively new to my IR2 and am learning as I roast.
Thanks.
Peter
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: ocrockus
Subject: [Homeroast] Depressing discovery
To: homeroast
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This list has meant higher education to me, and I remain convinced that Tom=
 is a genius and that such regular listers as Rayo, Mike etc. are true epic=
ures who know the difference between good, better, better yet and best.? I =
have fantasized about sharing a latte with Sandy.? I have?sincerely tried?t=
o improve my Life with Coffee.
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Unfortunately, careful experimentation has?forced me to admit?that, alas, I=
'll never get there.? You have persuaded me that a perfect espresso is perf=
ect, and that slyly made?French press is the finest brew, challenged only b=
y vacpot and just possibly by such as Aeropress.??Nevertheless, in my 85th =
year I must acknowledge that my?bec is just not fin enough to distinguish t=
heir superiority to a mere filtered mug of city-plus IMV made with a fine g=
rind and and 95-degree tap water.
?
The Zen of cranking on my Zass is little consolation.? Pity me, young frien=
ds, and pray that you will not yet share my fate.
      =
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:06:49 -0400
From: Dave Huddle <137trimethyl26dioxopurine>
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Why Behmor?
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
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One more Behmor comment - while the smoke suppression works, it does
NOT eliminate the need for good ventilation.
When our 1st floor was being renovated, I set off the smoke alarm
while roasting with the Behmor.  I didn't see smoke, but the Brinks
smoke detector several feet away, around a corner, detected it anyway.
Now I have an good exhaust hood over my roasting area with a door to
close off my roasting/laundry/dog room from the rest of the house.
Even after continuing to run the vent hood for a good 5 minutes after
the completion of a roast, I can smell a bit of coffee roast fragrance
in my roasting room.    But the new set up allows me to roast inside,
in comfort, year round no matter what the weather is!
Dave
Westerville, OH
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:58:29 -0700
From: "Bob Hazen" 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Why Behmor?
To: "Sweet Maria's List" 
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So Tom....  Could this be a script for a new Youtube video?  (vbg)
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 23:14:06 -0600
From: raymanowen
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Depressing discovery
To: ocrockus,     "A list to discuss home coffee roasting.
    There are rules for this list,    available at
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"...true epicures who know the difference between good, better, better yet
and best."
For dieser alte Fortz in der Laterne to be on the same page with almost
everybody on this list, an Epic Cure would have to be involved.
I used to roast a little green coffee I got from Bill Boyer in 1976/ '77.
Mostly at my battery charger shop where I had a captive group that forced me
to brew all three pots of fresh roasted/ ground Kenya AA in my Brewmatic,
before I even got a cup for myself ! It was an intriguing flavor, compared
to the roasted whole bean coffee in the grocery bins.
Between later stints at CSM Research Institute, Geophysics research and
Earth Mechanics Institute, I began to remember some Engineering Physics,
Electrical Engineering and my math minor. I was no longer intensely using or
studying any of it, so it dissipated like chaff in a gale wind, suddenly in
'74. I have no clue where the Melitta Aroma Roast drifted away.
They say the brain is plastic. Maybe not. It's highly viscous for sure. Ever
try to push toothpaste back in the tube? The head nurse in the Swedish ICU
saw Dad and me when we went down for a visit a few months after they got
tired of my colorful descriptions of hospital food. "Oh, Look! He Valks, he
Talks, He BREATHES!" with her Anglo-Saxon accent. The Voice I Remembered!
The first Doctor that saw us had said, "Hey, Owen- I remember you when you
didn't look so pretty-" OK, I got the picture from the witnesses. They
thought I'd miss the 25-car pile up. Crossed the median and made an Olds
wagon look like it hit one of the redwoods in Muir Woods head-on.
Some incredibly smart people had pulled me out of the Corvair and laid me in
a snow bank. I remember none of it to this day, and have no idea at all why
I ever thought of roasting green coffee again, after 30+ years. Boyer's is
at 73rd (same street we're on now) and Washington, and my new shop was just
down 73rd. Passed Boyer's red brick school house every day I went in to the
shop.
I stopped in one day and said, "Bill, why don't you expand a little and set
up a neat coffee emporium?"
"Ray, let me show you something..."  where they had the original roaster =
and
packaging equipment in the original school house. His first coffee shop/
espresso bar.  I remembered,
"Will you sell me some green Kenya AA beans?"
"If you want. I haven't done it for years- nobody's roasting their own. You
still got that little Melitta?"
"Somewhere-" (Think fast. I had no clue. Maybe an air popper would be hot
enough. It would be Hell to get the beans and then not roast them...) I
never knew what I was doing in the first place and forgot it anyway. There
was just something about roasting fresh, but what?
Two pounds of Kenya AA green. $18.00, same as roasted price. Same as I had
roasted over 30 years before. Came the Dawn. Let your fingers do the
walking- on the internet. My search engine was supported by Millstone coffee
and I had been getting some of their beans at the grocery.
Things were about to change.
Cheers, Mabuhay, Ito ay halos Martes umaga dito!  RayO, aka Opa!
Takes a licking, keeps on ticking. Beats the alternative anytime!
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:07:12 -0500
From: Sandy Andina 
Subject: [Homeroast] Good Eats espresso episode tonight
To: "available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.htmlA list
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Anyone catch tonight's episode of Alton Brown's "Good Eats" on Food  =
Network? (Coming up again at 3am Eastern, 2 Central, 1 Mountain and  =
midnight Pacific).  He pretty much nailed it, except I think that  =
after visiting Atlanta's Cool Beans roastery he could have mentioned  =
home roasting (unless he did when I was greeting the pizza guy at the  =
front door and I missed it).  He was using a Rocky with a doser and  =
what appeared to be a Saeco or Rancilio Audrey (Silvia's progenitor)  =
semi-auto (smaller PF with plastic spouts, unlike a Gaggia but much  =
like a Saeco)--the froth wand looked like a Gaggia.  Surprised that he  =
passed over the Silvia as having too many bells & whistles, since it  =
is in essence a bigger, more solidly built version of the machine he  =
used, with a better steam wand and pro PF to boot.  To his credit, he  =
advised ditching those plastic cat-toy tampers included with the  =
machines and instead buying a good solid heavy pro tamper.  His froth  =
was a little too bubbly (he kept heating the milk to over 160 and then  =
making big-bubble foam on top--when most experts advocate stretching  =
the milk till about 90, and then turning off the steam by 160 and  =
removing the wand).  What I didn't understand was when he was using a  =
French press as a "budget" way (i.e., sans machine) to make strong  =
coffee as a pseudo-espresso  base for lattes, he then topped the  =
coffee with steamed milk and a dollop of foam, without explaining how  =
to get steamed/frothed milk without an espresso machine. I didn't see  =
any stovetop frothers, saucepans, or Aerolatte mini-whisks lying around.
Peace & song,
Sandy
www.sandyandina.com
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:17:53 -0600
From: raymanowen
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Why Behmor?
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
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Now, I get it. Sorry Ich bin einer Arsch des Pferdes! Getting a machine from
Door #3, when owners number 1 and 2 neither read nor cared to follow
operation or maintenance instructions might be a little risky. Motors are
less complicated than 3-entrance button Westminster door chimes- mostly
bulletproof.
A five minute phone call may not be adequate OJT.
A digital control board could easily be zapped, especially when Owner #1 or
#2 has operated the machine with the polarized ground prong floating on a
two prong outlet with a reversed adapter- and the Ground pigtail or terminal
waving in the breeze. Machine has just been impregnated with electrons where
it ought to have a solid ground.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:08:29 -0500
From: "Bob Glasscock" 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Why Behmor?
To: "'A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
    list,    available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistin=fo.html'"
    
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Good morning,
As an IRoast2 user who is considering upgrading, I want to thank the group
for this very informative thread. It had the potential for flames, yet
everyone has responded with courtesy and cool.
Bob Glasscock
Greenville, Ala.

2) From: Bob
Craig,
Commercial roasters will pour flavor oils over *post* roasted
beans and then stir them in (think cement mixer style). I
suspect you could do similar with your home roast & a bit of
syrup - Stick to a quality syrup such as DaVinci Gourmet,
Stirling Gourmet, or Monin Gourmet. Start light and work up to
your strength requirements.
*Note* Only use a grinder you never want to use for regular
coffee again, it is almost impossible to remove the flavor oils
once you grind.
Bob

3) From: Sheila Quinn
No, do not use the sweetened, flavored syrups to flavor your beans. This 
is for brewed coffee only! You'll end up with a sticky mess that will 
undoubtedly attract ants. For flavored beans, special oils are used. You 
can find them if you do a Google search.
Sheila
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4) From: Sheila Quinn
I forgot to mention that it will also ruin your grinder if you mix your 
beans with flavored syrups.
Sheila
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5) From: Yakster
You might find the www.FlavorDynamics.com site interesting, they manufacture
flavors for the food and beverage industry, and also developed the SCAA
coffee cuppers kit to help "to identify and knowledgeably discuss coffee’s
defining flavor characteristics."
They have some interesting information in their downloads section, but I
don't think that they retail any of their flavors.
-Chris
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6) From: miKe mcKoffee
Correct, flavored coffees are flavored post roast. 
If you really want to ruin perfectly good coffee try here:http://www.coffeeflavoroils.com/FlavorOils.htm(or use a search engine yourself and find other sources, I quit at one)
Disclaimer: I have never and will not ever use flavor oils on coffee.
However, if you're going to do it I'd highly recommend not defiling quality
beans from Tom but rather sourcing the cheapest blah beans you can. Gonna
ruin 'em making 'em taste like something nature never intended anyway.
Slave to the Bean Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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7) From: Justin Schwarz
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Yirgacheffe, even better kona flavored Kona
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8) From: Allon Stern
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Mmm, blueberry pomegranate.
I'd rather get my blueberries the natural way - city roast IMV.
Hm, oddly, they don't seem to carry Durian flavor.
At least you can get it here:http://importfood.com/sppt0208.html:-)
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9) From: Robert Flanery
Holy smokes!  Why would anyone want Durian flavored anything.  I don't even
want Durian flavor in Durian.  It is the only fruit I consistently pass on
when I am in the Philippines.  Yech...
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10) From: Joseph Robertson
I can't bare the thought of it. Especially Tom's beans. I'm with you Allon.
Joe
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12) From: Mark Osborne
Slightly OT, but maybe not.....
into my local 7/11 for a semi-annual slurpee(tm) there is a coffee
station with a push button brew advertising "Bananas Foster
Cappuccino"....
Yech!....
Mark
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13) From: Jeff Wikstrom
Oh my god.  I always hated it when customers would come up and ask for a
cappuccino and what they really wanted was a french vanilla latte with a bit
of foam.  mini marts are the bane of good coffee.
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14) From: Yakster
Hmm, I've always been curious to try Durian, at least once, but I don't know
that I'll ever get the chance.  I hear that they're banned on pretty much
all forms of public transportation.
As for flavored coffee beans, you'll not only contaminate your grinder, but
also your coffee storage so you may want to keep your flavored coffee
experiment in a disposable container instead of your normal jar or other
container.
-Chris
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15) From: Brian Phipps
Reminds of the time a few years back when I was visiting my sister.   =
She asked if I wanted some coffee and I accepted the offer.  She  =
brought be a cup of General Foods instant mix "cappuccino" with some  =
sort of flavoring.
I'll be making sure to ask unverified sources what their definition of  =
coffee is before accepting further offers.......
:-D
-Brian
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16) From: Angelo
There is no need to use syrups and/or oils on your beans. You could 
just put a drop of the oil in your individual cup of brewed coffee. 
No muss, no fuss...
I grew up with moka pot coffee flavored with anisette. I really don't 
care for that, now, but if i do have a Sambuca (anise-flavored 
liquor), I insist on the traditional 3 (usually stale) coffee beans. :-)
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17) From: Allon Stern
On Jun 11, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Yakster wrote:
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You can find durian at asian groceries. It's often frozen whole  
fruit, or just the pods. Look in the freezer section.
And WHATEVER YOU DO, do NOT buy any wafers or cookies with  
"artificial durian flavor". They're nasty.
Real durian actually tastes pretty neat. Sweet, mild banana, embraced  
with natural gas :)
(okay, so the ethyl mercaptan in natural gas is an additive so you  
can detect leaks. you can also detect durians :)
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18) From: raymanowen
I thought methyl mercaptan was the El Stinko compound added to nat gas... ro
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19) From: craig moulton
Thanks for everyone's help.  I have found some good sites thanks to this =
"blog".  For the record, as mentioned earlier, I do not drink flavored co=
ffee, but there are some people who do out there and it would be nice to ad=
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20) From: Allon Stern
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ethyl is a bit rotten eggy, and butyl is skunky.
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21) From: Allon Stern
Okay, I take it back. It isn't eggy. it's just pungent. And duriany :-)
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22) From: Bob Hazen
Good one!  Reminds me when Oscar talked Felix into chanting the following:
Oh-wah
Ta-boo
Biam
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23) From: Yakster
Thursday, the Wife and I ate breakfast at Denny's, big mistake.  I had
dropped off the kids at school and came back to spend some time with the
Wife before heading into the office, I thought she'd appreciate it.
Instead of having a nice bagel and some fresh roast at home, we went to
Denny's for some lackluster food and horrible coffee.  I could smell the
old, rancid coffee smell as soon as the waitress set down the heavy ceramic
cup on the table.
It's actually been a horrible coffee week, I did manage to roast some
Indonesian Sulawesi last week on Saturday, but stopping for a cheap lunch at
Taco Bell on Sunday while out shopping was my undoing... I'm just now
feeling better from that, almost 90 - 95% at this point.  Don't know if it
was too much of their bad hot sauce or just food poisoning.  Sunday I had
culled through 13 oz of Colombian beans, but didn't feel well enough to
roast.  Today the wife made some bacon since the kids are out of school and
I made some Aeropress fresh roasted Indonesian Sulawesi in Bodum Pavina
glasses and grabbed a poppy seed bagel this morning at work.  Things are
looking up.
As to flavoring in coffee, I pass.  I did buy some coffee syrups when I
first started roasting coffee in the popcorn popper and got my Wife's toy
espresso machine out to make some cheaper alternatives to Starbucks caramel
macchiatos, but I quickly gave that up (as well as Starbucks).
-Chris
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24) From: Doug Hoople
"She asked if I wanted some coffee and I accepted the offer.  She brought be
a cup of General Foods instant mix "cappuccino" with some sort of
flavoring."
At least no grinders were lost as collateral damage! :-)
Doug
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25) From: g paris
Chris:
even with kids those fast food places are horrid...
as far as denny's goes, your lucky you did not have to head straight to the
bathroom
when you got home, if you made it that far!!
ginny
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26) From: Jeff Wikstrom
Yeah,
BK and Tbell sometimes send me halfway through the meal!
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