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1) From: Rbt Tut
I have one.  got it from SM
I cant imagine a better machine.  there will be bigger ones, fancier looking
ones, double boiler ones, etc
but I doubt any will make 'better' espresso.
some costing a lot more ( at least double the price) will make repeated
shots easier
not better!
that being said
go to YouTube and search for some vids
you need to learn to 'temperature surf'
you need to get a good heavy tapper thats not included w the machine
(SM adds one!)
and you need to learn to keep it clean
wont do well for a large crowd, but for 'home use'  nothing i think will
make better individual espresso shots
given "the same beans, grind, etc"
Sweet Maria's cups are mandatory!
RT
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2) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Not true IMO. Had a Silvia for ~4yrs. A respectable home machine. When I got
the Bricoletta did numerous head to head shot comparisons before selling my
PID'd OPV mod adjusted Silvia. Silvia's best shots where run of the mill
shots for the Bric' (or Linea) but Silvia could not match the best shots of
either. Believe the difference primarily less intra-shot temp stability with
Missy. 
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3) From: Mike Koenig
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4) From: Allon Stern
On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:06 AM, Mike Koenig wrote:
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The real question is, did you gain experience from operating the  
Silvia that you would never have had you gone straight to the  
Bricoletta?
Did your technique get refined to the point where the Bricoletta made  
sense, versus having a machine cover for sloppy technique? Would it  
be that with sloppy technique, you'd only get good shots on the  
Bricoletta, but because of the techniques refined on the Silvia, you  
can get spectacular shots on the better hardware?
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5) From: Mark Osborne
Good morning,
Where and how would one find truly good espresso to use as a
reference? Are there resources for benchmarking skillfully pulled
shot? Seminars, classes, secret meetings in dark smoke (roasting
smoke) filled rooms in major metro areas?
I have  pretty good palate, just not a good reference.....
Mark
Nor-Cal
SJ-Behmor-Mistress Silvia
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Mike Koenig wrote:
 Most of what I did get with the Sylvia were better
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6) From: Brian Kamnetz
Mark,http://www.norwestcoffee.com/And, It wouldn't be TOO far from northern California....
Brian
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7) From: decrisce.md
Monkey blend from sweetmarias. You can order the beans, and I believe a roa=
sted pound (if they still offer that service) and can then an idea of a ben=
chmark to shoot for. =
Also in april/may roasting and cupping classes are open to consumers at the=
 scaa. There are various local trainings also depending on your location. I=
 believe one is koffee klatch ?? In so cal??  Don't know about no cal. =
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8) From: decrisce.md
There are various good shops in sf. Blue bottle, I believe is a respective =
place. Tom has given classes before in oakland. =
Also you can find good shops on espressomap.com  and finally I believe ther=
e can be found top class barristas in your area on the world barrista websi=
te. =
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9) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Maybe. Most highly likely experience less frustration and experience more
satisfaction sooner. Would you gain experience from operating a 1960 VW
Beetle you could not get going straight to a Porche 911? (If you happen to
be 16 year old guy just "going for it" the former likely better 'cuz the
later too much too soon to handle. But then again, under supervised
tutelage...) 
 
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Cover for sloppy technique? Invalid. ANY machine is quite capable of sink
shots caused by the handle side of the portafilter.
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Ditto above.
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10) From: Allon Stern
On Jun 30, 2009, at 12:59 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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Right, but my point was that on a machine that produces better shots  
with less effort, would you necessarily learn what extra effort to  
put in to get those spectacular shots? On lesser hardware, you might  
have had to put in that same extra effort to get just good shots.
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11) From: Mike Koenig
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12) From: miKe mcKoffee
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To an extent I'd agree with your latter point. For instance, unbeknownst to
me my Silvia came with very high pump pressure, like 13 bar! Even with high
shot pressure the first time I tried a nekkid pull (after 1+ years with
Missy) somehow got zero spritzing etc. very first nekkid shot. So my
technique had to be somewhat decent even by that point. Only later when got
a PF guage (to do the OPV washer mod) discovered how high the shot pressure
really was. Oh, yes shots improved quite noticably dropping shot pressure
from 13 to 9 bar.
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13) From: Mike Koenig
I don't think I'd be pulling bad shots had I gone straight to the
Bricoletta from my previous machine (Saeco Classic).  I certainly knew
MUCH more about what it takes to pull a good shot by the time I got
the Bric (and I had a better grinder), so the learning curve on the
Bric was much shorter.   By this time I had also become obsessed with
things like water quality, so I had already removed that as a
variable.
However, much of what I learned on the Sylvia was ways around it's
quirks, like temperature surfing, that I don't need to deal with now.
 Now, I'm not trying to fight with my machine,  I just enjoy the
process (same reason I bit the bullet and got a HotTop).
--mike
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14) From: Greg Hollrigel
Mark - I think Ritual Roasters has a shop in Napa too.  Depending where you
are...
Greg
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15) From: Phil Palmintere
If you're ever in Silicon Valley, try Barefoot Coffee Roasters on Stevens Creek @ Lawrence Expressway.  Ditto on the hipsters, if anyone in Silicon Valley can ever be considered a hipster.
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16) From: raymanowen
Stop reading it this gets too long, but I don't believe you are going to
find a machine that does Anything better with less effort than another
machine doing the same job.
The comparison would be that the inadequate machine yields Nothing for the
greater effort you might expend trying to use it. You could practice and
practice, say, on a spinet piano from eBay. It might have all 88 keys like
the Steinway or Baldwin, but the same performing artist could produce a much
more impressive sound on the bigger pianos, albeit with greater effort.
Khachaturian's Piano Concerto can be really impressive with a good artist.
The Bosendorfer Imperial Concert grand piano was designed just because
pianos of the time could not survive a strong performance of the
Khachaturian piece.
The higher quality machine will respond in kind to the greater efforts you
put into using it. You don't get more out for less input to any process.
The pump style has a minimal effect on brew quality, compared to the
temperature setting and stability. The complication of a rotary pump adds
nothing to reliability, the water volume or pressure, compared to vibrator
pumps. A hydraulic accumulator could replace the OPV and eliminate the
pressure pulses from any pump.
Two vibe pumps, parallel plumbed and wired 180 out of phase would reduce
pressure pulsations and double the volume, or use smaller pumps.
Four vibe pumps, plumbed and wired like 1 and 2, but 3 and 4 wired on a
capacitor leg for a McGuyver setup with pumps at 0, 90, 180, and 2=
70
without the hydraulic accumulator. Ultra smooth and reliable, without the
current surge* of a motor start. [*Needs study]
Then just properly set up a PID controller on the HX brew / E-61 convection
boiler, always set for the correct brew temperature. This is the only boiler
per se,  all construction of 304 stainless, with the steam wand tapped off
of the brew circuit and routed through a steam flash heater for unlimited
separate or simultaneous steaming and brewing.
Cheers, Mabuhay und Guter Abend -RayO, aka Opa!
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17) From: Griffin McKinney
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If "Nor-Cal" is the bay area, then Barefoot or Ritual is probably your
only real answer.  The bay, and indeed most of northern California, is
rather a wasteland when it comes to good coffee shops, in my
experience (Though Monteray is worse).  Muddy's Cafe in Arcata is
"ok", if you're a bit further north.
Barefoot does good- I'm confident in recommending them.  Additionally,
there are now some spin-off cafes starting up here and there that use
beans from Barefoot or Ritual.
Some people like Blue Bottle, as well.
Anyway, Barefoot does have classes and they do happily talk coffee
there, so if you're near give them a shot.
-Griffin
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18) From: Bruce Garley
Kean's in Tustin (Orange County, CA) was pretty good this AM. First espresso
was a bit underextracted, but they were quick to correct.
Bruce Garley
Plant Whisperer
San Juan Capistrano, CA
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