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Topic: Nesco/Z&D (13 msgs / 369 lines)
1) From: Allon Stern
I don't see a lot on this list regarding the Nesco/Zach & Dani's  
roaster.
I friend of mine had (a used) late-model Z&D given to him, and he  
thought I'd like it.
I've been playing with it for a few months now. I have to say, I like  
it a lot.
The light roasts you can get from this are far more even than you  
could ever get with an iRoast, and this thing roasts a heck of a lot  
more consistently than the iRoast. I've been doing 142g batches of  
IMV, Oriente, and others to get some really awesome city roasts. I  
try to roast enough that I'll have a pipeline of coffee resting, so  
it can be at least a week rested.
The Oriente, on a city roast, with a week of rest is one phenomenal  
bean.
The Nesco is also convenient for me in that I can set it and (mostly)  
forget it. Yes, I like to tune and tweak, but the light roasts I get  
from this machine without profile control (other than time) are  
better than I get with tweaking on the iRoast. I should note that I  
do stop the roaster when it hits the cool cycle, and cool the beans  
in a fry basket over a small fan. (I put the roaster back together  
and let it run its cool cycle empty, to prolong its life)
Anyway, I'll still use the iRoast and heat gun, but the Nesco  
deserves some respect too. For someone who wants hands off  
convenience, high quality light roasts, and doesn't need the batch  
size of a Behmor, I'd say this roaster would be a perfect choice.
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allon
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2) From: raymanowen
For someone who wants hands off convenience, may I suggest Starbucks or
other reliable emporium of coffee like commerce? The Volksdreck isn't worth
much vexation, as you say.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Allon Stern  wrote:
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3) From: Allon Stern
On Jul 21, 2009, at 1:28 PM, raymanowen wrote:
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There is a difference between hands-off convenience and dreck.
You seem to be taking the attitude that if it isn't work, it isn't  
good. This is not always the case. The point was that the Z&D can  
roast a light batch very well without having to be tended to to  
adjust this and that throughout a whole roasting cycle. The Behmor is  
good for hands-off convenience too. Are you saying that anyone who  
buys a behmor must not care, and would be just as well off drinking  
crap?
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4) From: Bob
Agreed!  I often use mine as a test roaster for that first 
1/4lb. Simple, easy to use & easy to clean. I've got the old Z&D 
that requires a couple books on the top to keep it running 
(hair-trigger kill switch), but it gets going fast and the 
roasts are always consistent.
Bob in Denver

5) From: Frank Parth
Allon,
A number of us started with the Z&D and moved to other things. I sold mine at a steep discount to a friend, andnow her 
husband has gotten hot and heavy into roasting.
Frank
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6) From: raymanowen
"You seem to be taking the attitude that if it isn't work, it isn't good."
As Dr. Ising, my physics prof used to say when I'd make a bad assumption in
the solution of a problem,  "B-B-But! No!"
I always think of the amount of work already expended by others just to
cultivate, harvest, process, store, ship, evaluate and care for the beans
before we get our grubby mitts on 'em. Then we toss them into a machine,
push buttons and hope it was the right combination...
Unlike the Popeil Look-Alike, the Behmor 1600 is not alleged to be a "Set it
and Forget it" appliance but it is a masterful roaster implementation. Like
any machine, the first few trips around the block with a Behmor should be a
total learning process.
If it is too much like work just to pay close attention to the results of
our few hours' effort to extract the ultimate nectar from the beans,
compared to the preceding months and years others put into the same beans,
our values could be misplaced.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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8) From: miKe mcKoffee
Couldn't agree more. Z&D respectable little guy especially for light roasts.
CCR HotTop 'taint cheap but does make "hands-off" roasting possible. And
paid an additional $4,000 to enable hands off roasting with my USRC 3k! (ie
multi-tasking while roasting) Both hands off is of course after dialing in a
profile for given bean given batch size. Producing dreck? I think not.
Though I will say the Behmor isn't close to this level roast control and
don't consider it a hands-off roaster.
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9) From: Slinkster
raymanowen wrote:
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exactly the sort of smart-a$$ comment that makes me so reluctant to post 
anything at all here.
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10) From: Justin Schwarz
On Jul 23, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Slinkster wrote:
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Everyone here has already been commited to a certain level of hands on  
experience, It is hard to justify going back to oily burnt beans  
served in such establishments.  RayO may be a smart ass sometimes but  
I thoroughly enjoy all of his posts.
The response was not directly related to a question from a noob  
searching for a method of roasting that didn't requre effort to be put  
forth into the process.  We don't bite, I promise.  Please don't be  
discouraged from posting, this list has been too quiet as it is.
If Dennis True reads this, I would be curious if you are still  
roasting with your Z&D aboard one of our country's finest floating  
vessels?
-Justin
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11) From: Michael Dhabolt
Slinkster,
A certain amount of tongue in cheek 'Smart Ass' is common fare in this
community and we all hope it wouldn't be taken too seriously.
Underline 'Tongue in Cheek'. The only times I have seen this group
devolve into the kind of communication that is fairly normal on other
lists is when folks get a little too 'Thin Skinned'.  Personal attacks
are very few and far between here, and easily recognized.
Justin,
I believe Dennis is still doing a tour at Gitmo.  I think he has
mentioned that his time on line is somewhat more precious than in the
past.
Mike (just plain)
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12) From: dennis true
Still in GTMO Still working in the camps and still roasting
My Z&D didn't survive the mailing and a list member shipped out a HG/ 
DB for me I missed the earlier part of this thread
I really loved my Z&D I got over 150# roasted in about 19 months
Dennis
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13) From: Michael Wascher
Dennis,
My Z&D has been replaced by a Behmore.
At the end the Z&D was giving erratic results. I found a broken wire, but
only to the catalytic converter. And the hinge was broken long ago (I ran it
with a weight on top).
It's yours if you want it ... maybe you can get 1 good one out of 2 broken
units?
--MikeW
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:53 PM, dennis true  wrote:
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