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Topic: calling all virtuoso owners (5 msgs / 119 lines)
1) From: Steve Bien
Any happy virtuoso espresso brewers out there? I am about to step either up
or sideways to a virtuoso from a maestro plus and I all but get heckled
(gently heckled) for this on home barista and coffee geek, where the vario
is the talk of the town. 
i am curious to know if there are happy virtuoso owners out there. 
I brew with a silvia.
Steve
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2) From: John A C Despres
Hi, Steve.
A Virtuoso is not the best mill for espresso grinds.It'll do OK, but you'll
be looking to upgrade soon. I recommend a Mazzer Mini step;es, for when you
decide further down the road.
John
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3) From: Michael Dhabolt
Steve,
It has been my experience that the Virtuoso will provide with a
quality espresso grind for a finite period of time. Initially while
the Virtuoso is new the difference between a Mini or a Vario will be
negligible for all but the most demanding user (an argument can be
made in preference to the higher priced grinders, from a taste
perspective).
A given .... all grinders degrade in a slow almost un-noticeable
fashion.  The amount of work that the grinders burrs accomplish is
dramatically higher for a grinder used for espresso than for brew.
Burrs that will become dull and need replacement when used for brew
for X amount of time will need to be replaced in about 20% of that
time if used for espresso.  In my experience that time, for average
in-home use of the Virtuoso, would be approximately 5 years for brew
and about 1 year for espresso.
Again, in my experience, with average in-home use, let's say six to
eight shots a day, the grind from the Virtuoso will degrade to the
point of being quite noticeable when compared to the Vario or the
Mazzer Mini within approx. a year.  Unless you do a direct comparison
with a high quality espresso grinder on a periodic basis, the change
in quality will happen so slowly as to be invisible to you.  The
results will be that you will be drinking substantially inferior shots
within a year and a half or so.
The above is obviously an opinion piece.
Mike (just plain)
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4) From: miKe mcKoffee
IMO and experience overly generous expecting 1 year decent espresso grinding
duty per burr set Maestro/M Plus or Virtuoso (not same but similar burrs
IIRC). I'd either stick with the M+ replacing the burrs every 50# or so or
do a real upgrade.
FWIW I bought 5 grinders in ONE year before getting a Rocky to pair with
Silvia 9 years ago or so...Maestro and it's predecessor the Mulino where 2
of the 5.
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5) From: Dean
Speculation about grind quality degradation aside, I'd say the biggest 
reason to stay away from the Virt for espresso is the adjustment--it 
goes from powder-fine to very coarse in about a third of a turn of the 
hopper. It's been great for drip & vac pot for me, but you could never 
really finesse the grind like you can on a better grinder. 
I have a MM for espresso that I'm pretty satisfied with.
Dean
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