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Topic: Is an Anfim Grinder Better Than an ElectricChainsaw? (5 msgs / 168 lines)
1) From: Tom Ulmer
There are karmic penalties for piling on...

2) From: Rich
Oh, goody ...  FOOD FIGHT!  We have not had one of these in a looong 
time.  Pass the popcorn please.
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3) From: Doug Hoople
"Oh, goody ...  FOOD FIGHT!  We have not had one of these in a looong time.
 Pass the popcorn please."
Nah, I don't think so. RayO's a tough character with a pretty thick skin,
and he's demonstrated over time that he can take it as well as dish it out.
I fully expect a nuanced, reasoned, balanced and completely factual
response.
Doug
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Rich  wrote:
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4) From: raymanowen
"I fully expect a nuanced, reasoned, balanced and completely
factual response."
Tune in PBS, otherwise you're sitting in the rong pew. My misteaks are my
own, and I don't mind sharing them.
There is no food fight here. re: Grinders, my thought is always "I will not
subject the labors of farmers, processors, brokers and cuppers who grow and
find the best coffee beans on the planet, to less than the best finishing
work I can practice."
Everyone preceding me may be invisible to me, but their talents are of
paramount, universal importance and interest. That's not the end of the
artistic endeavor. How much time does the cupper have to try different roast
profiles and every succeeding variation in brewing?
NONE! He can't do any of that. Cupping is a rigorous, standardized,
inglorious treasure hunt. And there's very little treasure to be had. We
avoid the Gonifs that dredge the rabbit hutch and call it treasure, roasting
to oblivion and giving the char a fancy moniker for many bucks.
As I have said, My $149 Solis Maestro Plus with comical burrs was
approaching $200, and I still couldn't get a decent set of burrs for it.
Kyle Anderson sent me a set of Virtuoso burrs and that made it a whole
different machine. By then it had a different home.
My friend, Ray, has had the Solis as long as I've had the Mazzer. BUFF cost
me $285 total.  I stuck a new set of burrs in it about an hour after Brown
came sweating up to the front porch carrying the good-sized box. Maintenance
tag for the burrs was 10 years old. Now I got four years on the new ones.
Maybe I should feel froggy one day soon...
The grinder isn't everything, but it is a bottleneck that's way too easy to
solve, like a bad shock or broken plug wire. I have said nothing to inpugn
our hosts. If their clientele wants to buy $5,000 worth of coffee beans and
process it through a Good Enough $200 grinder, that's exactly what they have
to sell. Or be vilified for selling only high-priced snob equipment.
90% vs 91%? Would you like a brain surgeon tinkering around if he's 91%
swift? How about 98% vs 99.9% - Good Enough? I had a brain injury, but no
surgery. Swedish did a brain scan- didn't find anything.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Resume- "...can make coffee that's Good Enough, from the best beans on the
planet."
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5) From: Doug Hoople
"90% vs 91%? Would you like a brain surgeon tinkering around if he's 91%
swift? How about 98% vs 99.9% - Good Enough? "
First of all, I'd rather have a brain surgeon at 89% than one at 23%. And
I'd probably rather have the 89% brain surgeon on a good day than a 91%
brain surgeon on a bad day.
Second of all, it's not brain surgery. There are a lot of things in life
lacking that 'life hanging in the balance' criticality. If I had to be at a
brain surgeon's level of operating-room acuity in the morning when brewing
that first cup, I'd give up coffee.
Third of all, "good enough" sometimes represents a concious choice
reflecting rmore ational calculation than sloth. The Toyota Camry, for
example, is a better car then the Mercedes C320. Why? Its engine isn't as
good. Its suspension isn't nearly as good. But Toyota decided to perfect the
electronics and keep them as simple as possible, while Mercedes made them
complex and didn't make them bulletproof. I'd much rather have a 5-year old
Camry with 200k miles on it than a comparably-experienced Mercedes C320,
because you can drive your Camry without worry day-in and day-out, but you
have to pray that your Mercedes will even start.
Fourth of all, you're making methinks a bit too much of this getting all
reverent about the farmers stuff. The farmers deserve due respect (an
obligation fullfilled, btw, by having Tom as their customer), but this isn't
a Rite of the Sacred Knighthood. It's coffee. I reckon that most of us on
the list, whatever our grinder, have a lot more business working with that
CoE lot than Target does.
Doug
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