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1) From: Mike Davis
I'm mostly a lurker here, so forgive me if this is out of place.  As a 
very long time forum and list user (started in the '80s with an Atari 
800 on Compuserve), I have always tried to reply to interesting posts 
either without including any previous text, or by cutting and pasting 
minimal phrases, sentences or paragraphs in my replies when it is 
clearly necessary to understand the context of my responses.  It's a 
simple switch in most e-mail browsers and it eliminates having to wade 
through the original post text dozens of times to find the new 
response.  This is usually included in list rules, although I don't see 
it for this list.  It does make reading the active threads much easier, 
and seldom is the entire thread from first post to last necessary.  I'm 
sorry if this offends long-time posters here.  It has been common 
courtesy among long time list users.
On the other hand, I monitor both the list and the forums and find value 
in each.  Much information is also being passed back and forth on 
Twitter, although I am a very reluctant fan of that venue due to the 
difficulty in finding identities of persons you wish to "follow".  Time 
marches on, and the rules change ....
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2) From: g paris
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Mike Davis  wrote:
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3) From: g paris
Mike, Mike, Mike...
said:>>>I'm mostly a lurker here, so forgive me if this is out of place.  As
a very long time forum and list user (started in the '80s with an Atari 800
on Compuserve), I have always tried to reply to interesting posts either
without including any previous text<<<
sorry about the previous post it was a mistake...
ya know I have been online a bit less then you have, started with an old
KayPro ages ago...
got my first Mac in 1983 and never looked back.
the conversation you bring up is always around and the real issue is stupid,
lazy people. I have banned my family and friends (read the few I have left)
from forwarding me anything, ever; start new or forget it!!
not only is it a huge waste and time taker of bandwidth but it is totally
useless crap!!!
Mike if you offend someone, you should and perhaps it will make more folks
here aware of the problem.
we can only hope!
Warmest Regards,
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4) From: Doug Hoople
"the conversation you bring up is always around and the real issue is
stupid,
lazy people."
ginny,
please tell me you forgot your smileyface. This is a little harsh, don't you
think?
The long chains of quoted text get hidden by modern email programs (like
gmail), and so most of us are unaware that the stuff is even there.
And we'll all have to be forgiven if we're completely oblivious to the
digest subscribers out there. I was a digest subscriber for a week or two,
and all the attached text baggage IS, in fact, a terribly annoying chore to
have to wade through. I got off the digest as quickly as I could, solving
the problem of too much traffic in my personal email account by dedicating a
separate email user for the purpose. I've long forgotten that the attached
text is even an issue.
So, for normal subscribers, all that attached text is not a burden of any
sort whatsoever, and is, sometimes, a real convenience. In an era of
graphic-laden transmissions and broadband connections, all that text is
actually a drop in the bandwidth bucket. For the sake of digest subscribers,
though, I'll try (no guarantees) to keep this in mind.
Doug
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5) From: raymanowen
"In an era of graphic-laden transmissions and broadband connections, all
that text is actually a drop in the bandwidth bucket."
True enough, but multiply the drop by a million and you have rain. Speaking
of wasting bandwidth and the receiver's time- it's not all that tough to
edit text and subject lines.
Not pushing the  button but composing an actual message instead of
propagating the spelling and grammatical errors does not require an
extraordinary burst of mental activity. I think. -ro
Got Grinder?
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6) From: Rich
Its the REPLY button, not the FORWARD button.
(please note that this message is sent as text only, no emoticons)
raymanowen wrote:
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7) From: Doug Hoople
"True enough, but multiply the drop by a million and you have rain."
Note when the word "rain" is defined by the word "YouTube."
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8) From: Doug Hoople
 "True enough, but multiply the drop by a million and you have rain."
Sorry, that was supposed to be "not," not "note," as in:
Not when the word "rain" is defined by the word "YouTube."
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9) From: g paris
Mike,
I did forget my smiley face!
Clearly I did not mean all of the fine people on this list are stupid and
lazy, just that we get too busy
to remember the little things.
have a great day.
g
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10) From: Allon Stern
On Aug 20, 2009, at 10:33 AM, raymanowen wrote:
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It's not the text that's the problem. It's the HTML with flashy  
graphics, ads, etc. that bugs me, especially when the only real  
content being sent is text. And then the HTML flows all wrong.
text/plain is best for text..
At the very least, multipart/alternative so those of us with  
mailreaders that can do plain text have a way to see that plain text.
-
allon
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11) From: Andy Thomas
I knew it was a typo, and I still don't know what it means.
From: Doug Hoople 
To: homeroast
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:32:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Posting replies
"True enough, but multiply the drop by a million and you have rain."
Sorry, that was supposed to be "not," not "note," as in:
Not when the word "rain" is defined by the word "YouTube."
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12) From: Doug Hoople
See, I'm already in trouble for snipping the attached text! :)
I made the point that, given broadband connections and the high burden of
graphics-laden traffic relative to text, that it's no longer valid to
complain about bandwidth consumption for long text messages. It used to be a
serious issue, but not any longer. I think I said "It's a drop in the
bucket."
RayO shot back with "True enough, but multiply the drop by a million and you
have rain."
Using YouTube as a metaphor for bandwidth-gobbling graphics traffic, and
given how casually we use it, even millions upon millions of unsnipped and
unnecessary thread messages made up of text will not amount to a significant
amount of bandwidth.
Thus,
Not when the word "rain" is defined by the word "YouTube."
For a complaint to have force, it should be valid. It devalues the currency
of complaints to file invalid ones. And that old bandwidth shibboleth for
text is no longer valid.
The valid complaint, in my mind, is the burden placed on readers of the
digest version. If you've ever seen it, you'll know what I mean.
Doug
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13) From: Rich
As most people are not paying for internet access by amount of data 
transfered the unclipped message only impacts speed.  Some of the 
European users however are still paying by the bit transfered, and they 
care.  You are correct though, bandwidth use is a specious argument. 
Comparisons to any unmoderated usenet group is laughable.
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14) From: Ira
At 09:42 AM 8/21/2009, you wrote:
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It's not bandwidth that I'm concerned about, it's finding the one 
line answer buried in among the 10,000 lines of digest.
Ira
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15) From: Yakster
I hope we've all got the point now.
Just wish there was as much passion in the coffee discussions as there is in
this thread.
I enjoyed roasting coffee over the campfire so much, I'm thinking of trying
it in a fire pit at home.
-Chris
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16) From: Doug Hoople
"Just wish there was as much passion in the coffee discussions as there is
in this thread."
That's easily enough done, isn't it? Just make a sweeping statement saying
that just about everyone here besides you is lazy and stupid. You're
guaranteed action! :)
Doug
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17) From: denis bordeleau
guaranteed action you got, my dear Doug:  I bought one full year ago 4 tw=
enty pounds bag each of the following : Sumatra Mandheling    Zimbabw=
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xpresso and I consume about 2 pounds a week .  I roast with a Behmor.  =
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e that anyone will  suggest ?           Thank you. =
        Denis
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it :
De: Doug Hoople 
Objet: Re: [Homeroast] Posting replies
À: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this list=
,  available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
Date: vendredi 21 Août 2009, 17 h 22
"Just wish there was as much passion in the coffee discussions as there is
in this thread."
That's easily enough done, isn't it? Just make a sweeping statement saying
that just about everyone here besides you is lazy and stupid. You're
guaranteed action! :)
Doug
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18) From: Jim Gundlach
I suggest you don't bother trying blends.  Sweetmaria's coffees are  =
usually fine experiences in and of themselves and blending is nothing  =
but a process of trying to make average or even worse coffees  =
drinkable.  And, roast for your own tastes.  You may well find that  =
you prefer light roasts or that you find some of the coffees more  =
satisfying if they are roasted a little darker.  Experiment and roast  =
like you like them the most.  Outside of the rules that you need to  =
roast till the coffees snap and that very dark roasting kills most of  =
the desired flavors, you should be looking at satisfying your own  =
tastes.  I have found that there are a couple of list members with  =
whom I tend to agree on what makes a very good coffee and when they  =
say they are happy with something, I will usually give it a try.  But  =
the truth is, you are in a world where you get to satisfy your own  =
tastes and the fact is that you, like most humans, have unique tastes  =
and the coffees available here allow you to find the coffees that you  =
like the most.
        pecan jim
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19) From: denis bordeleau
Dear Jim ,  I am very happy that you wrote about my question for the best=
 mixture  and -or  best roasting degrees  you had in mind for the 4 k=
inds of coffee I specified:   Sumatra Mandheling    Zimbabwe AA+ =
  Bali AWP1 "Paradise Valley"    Tanzanian "Elephant Beans"   ( 20 =
pounds of each )   .   When you say and I quote :"  Blending is nothi=
ng but a process of trying to make average or even worse coffee drinkable" =
, I think this is not a  is not a real answer.   I was only asking fo=
r blend proportions and roasting intensity .   Your point of view about c=
offee blends is very interesting but it doesn't correspond to what I was as=
king for.                     Denis
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De: Jim Gundlach 
Objet: Re: [Homeroast] Posting replies
À: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this  lis=
t,  available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
Date: vendredi 21 Août 2009, 18 h 47
I suggest you don't bother trying blends.  Sweetmaria's coffees are usual=
ly fine experiences in and of themselves and blending is nothing but a proc=
ess of trying to make average or even worse coffees drinkable.  And, roas=
t for your own tastes.  You may well find that you prefer light roasts or=
 that you find some of the coffees more satisfying if they are roasted a li=
ttle darker.  Experiment and roast like you like them the most.  Outsid=
e of the rules that you need to roast till the coffees snap and that very d=
ark roasting kills most of the desired flavors, you should be looking at sa=
tisfying your own tastes.  I have found that there are a couple of list m=
embers with whom I tend to agree on what makes a very good coffee and when =
they say they are happy with something, I will usually give it a try.  Bu=
t the truth is, you are in a world where you get to satisfy your own tastes=
 and the fact is that you, like most humans, have unique tastes and the
 coffees available here allow you to find the coffees that you like the mos=
t.
       pecan jim
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that anyone will  suggest ?           Thank you.     =
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20) From: Angelo
I agree...
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21) From: denis bordeleau
Dear g paris .        So, you forgot your smiley face....Poor l=
ittle you.     Do'nt worry.    During the meanwhile, we had Mark Os=
borne, inspired by a vague feeling of  sarcasm or irony who taught all of=
 us about s.c.f.t.h.i. (Smiley Captioned For The Humor Inspired)   =
  This guy even thought that maybe we were not paying attention to detail=
...  He even tried to talk Little Endian vs Big Endian with Mr Ray Manowe=
n but without success because as you know, this querel is endless and being=
 so, on a binary year like 2009, becomes also meaningless.      =
                  Furthermore, I got a ve=
ry good and useful teaching session on blending coffee by Mr Mike mcKoffee =
on August 22 2009.  Altough he did not seem to be pleased by my post at f=
irst glance, I soon realized that coffee is his passion and,even keeping hi=
mself humble about the never achieved task or research for the perfect home=
 coffee roasting science, he
 certainly looks like somebody who knows what he is talking about.   =
      Go and see his post on this day, it is worth it.   =
    About the Smileys and  the old goodtime calculator rules and al=
l the Texas Instrument or HewlettPackard machines, we only have to imagine =
that all these come  from a garage floor and a  bright guy , like roast=
ing green coffee beans,  but the only thing that can be cupped, appreciat=
ed and enjoyed either in 1936 or in 2022 will still be coffee; so, let' all=
 of us enjoy it!      Be sure none of us is lazy and stupid.    =
       Got brain?              Denis
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De: g paris 
Objet: Re: [Homeroast] Posting replies
À: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this list=
,  available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
Date: jeudi 20 Août 2009, 11 h 42
Mike,
I did forget my smiley face!
Clearly I did not mean all of the fine people on this list are stupid and
lazy, just that we get too busy
to remember the little things.
have a great day.
g
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