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Topic: Use of acronyms (27 msgs / 614 lines)
1) From: Khanh Cao
To all, don't be lazy, for a better comprehension of your messages,  
please at the beginning of your acronyms give in parentheses the  
complete words of the acronym i.e HT (Hot Top), FP (French Press), AP  
[ aeropress] etc'.....
Thanks
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2) From: Jeff Kilpatrick
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I won't disagree with this, but would like to point out that these are (or
should be) well understood:
Seehttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.htmlCheers,
-jeff
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3) From: Floyd Lozano
isn't there a FAQ for those?  those acronyms have been in use on the list
for years.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Khanh Cao wrote:
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4) From: raymanowen
OK -ro
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5) From: Benjamin VerHage
Nicely done.
From: "raymanowen" 
To:Khanh Cao ; "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this list,  available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:49:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Use of acronyms
OK -ro
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6) From: denis bordeleau
Hi Ray   By OK - ro    Did you mean  zero killed - hero ?  =
    JFK           (Just For Knowing.)   Denis.
--- En date de : Ven, 21.8.09, Benjamin VerHage  a écrit :
De: Benjamin VerHage 
Objet: Re: [Homeroast] Use of acronyms
À: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this  lis=
t,  available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
Date: vendredi 21 Août 2009, 11 h 58
Nicely done.
From: "raymanowen" 
To:Khanh Cao ; "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for=
 this list,  available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"=
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:49:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Use of acronyms
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7) From: David Liguori
FAQ??
(kidding)
Floyd Lozano wrote:
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8) From: Terry McVay (rr)
Good question! And yes, I believe that Tom put one together and it should 
be in the digest..  We do indulge in a moderate number of acronyms that 
are easy for us to follow, but may seem to someone just starting out a 
little like a secret society with a language available only to the masters.
FWIW ;-)

9) From: g paris
Hi Khanh:
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is an acronym, is an acronym...
what's the point of having them if not to use them? it takes a bit of
getting used to in a new environment but trust me NO ONE
will stop using them; all you need to do is look at the FAQ's (frequently
asked question) for your answer.
print out the list that Tom has so kindly set up for us all to see. we were
all new once and had to learn.
this is not something new to the Sweet Maria List, every list on the
internet have their own language so I guess I wonder what the deal is with
your not understanding that?
ginny
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10) From: raymanowen
Aren't they just a crazy reminder of names you might forget? Wouldn't work
for me- I forget acronyms.
Could all nouns be acronyms for thoughts or images? If an undefined acronym
loses its meaning, how is a picture, worth a thousand words, of any value
without a caption? There are few outdoor advertising signs for artists or
photographers to include in the image.
Before I knew what coffee reference "Horse" had, one of the list
correspondents noted that her roast was resting and she was about to imbibe
and enjoy it. [the Horse] Couldn't believe this credible person was actually
going to devote some of her favorite beans to- Espresso!.
The thought crept in that I might be rong. Before long, I used the Box of
1's and 0's to find out that MAO Horse came from the same place as Haile
Selassie.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Got grinder?
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11) From: David Liguori
In all seriousness, though, I second this.  I guess I'm the only one.  
If you mean "Hot Top" say bloody Hot Top.  It may make your postings 
more useful to other people.  Think of all the hassle of however many 
people looking up the FAQ to find out what the heck "HT" means, versus 
the hassle of you typing 4 extra characters!
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12) From: David Liguori
Also there is ambiguity.  Since the universe of phrases is bigger than 
the universe of acronyms, there is not a one-to-one mapping.  The same 
acronym can stand for different things, usually but not always depending 
on the jargon set.  HT also stands for high tension and hyper text.  BCS 
stands for Boston Computer Society, Boston Clavichord Society, and the 
theory of superconductivity of Bardeen, Cooper and Schriefer.
Terry McVay (rr) wrote:
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13) From: Kevin Creason
There are 11 extra characters between HT and 'bloody hot top'
Just saying tho I don't disagree
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14) From: raymanowen
BS stands for Boston. Don't try to decode both letters- one is spurious.
Bardeen, Brattain and Shockley tried to invent a VCR in the late 40's.
Instead of the voltage controlled resistor, (FET) they got a point contact
current amplifier. We studied BJT's and other non-linear devices first thing
out of the gate at DU.
Speaking of ambiguity, CD could refer to a capacitive discharge ignition
system or a compact disc. Both digital, using only 1's and 0's. One
amplifying the 1v signal by about 94dB and frequency limit about 360 Hz. The
latter having a power gain of 90dB or better and F(lim) = 20.000 kHz due to
the sampling rate.
Even with RIAA equalization, the CD response is Zero above 20.000 kHz. The
shimmer of carillon and crack of percussion and harmonics are muddy with the
non-linear rolloff. Love da vinyl on my Empire 598. Had the Empire 1000ZE-X
with anti skate set to Zero and 0.6g tracking force.
I could buy three complete Audio Technica cartridges for the price of the
1000ZE-X stylus,  so things changed about 23 years ago, and I gained over an
octave of nice tight bass. Progress.
All that pales in comparison with the FTO Bolivia Caranavi, a Steinway on
the first grind in my new Major. Well, the grinder is not new, but the beans
only see the new burrs, so they don't know from new. Now, to roast and play.
Steinway with a new roast and burrs in the morning. Back to espresso in a
week or so.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
-- 
Persist in old ways; expect new results - suborn Insanity...
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15) From: John Letoto
I've been a faithful lurker/poster for nearly two years now, and while
it didn't take me terribly long to get just about every coffee-related
acronym, I'm still mystified -- and amused -- by Ray's posts.  I
forget who it was, but someone said Ray was like Doc Brown on Back to
the Future.
Brilliant!
-john
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16) From: Allon Stern
On Sep 2, 2009, at 9:14 PM, raymanowen wrote:
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Phono has RIAA (excuse me, Recording Industry Association of America)  
equalization curves.
I believe CDs (excuse me, Compact Disks) do not. Last I checked, the  
excursion of the laser (excuse me, Light Amplification by Stimulated  
Emission of Radiation) beam, and background hiss from an optical  
medium are not an issue.
And by non-linear rolloff, don't you mean "dropping off a cliff" ?  I  
mean, really, you can't make over the sample rate, though you will get  
aliasing with poorly mastered material.
Don't forget a healthy dose of snake oil, like OFHC (excuse me. Oxygen  
Free High Conductivity) monster cables, and special markers to run  
around the outside edge......
Now, quality DACs (excuse me, Digital to Analog Converters) may make a  
big difference.
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A good point for anyone who hasn't tuned out yet. Quality grinders  
will last a lifetime, but burrs will not! If you get a used grinder,  
replace the burrs first. And don't forget to replace them as needed,  
maybe every 100# or so. Degradation is usually so slow, you only  
notice how bad it is when you replace them.
Still haven't cracked open the Oriente DP (excuse me, Dry Processed),  
but did enjoy a nice IMV (excuse me, Idio Misty Valley) this AM  
(excuse me, Ante Meridiem).
s.c.f.t.h.i.
(excuse me, Smiley Captioned for the Humor Impaired)
-
allon
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17) From: Frank Parth
LOL (excuse me: Laughing Out Loud)
Great response, Allon!
Frank
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18) From: Doug Hoople
Perfect, Allon. Thanks!
Doug
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19) From: Angelo
Except that those people (readers) would only have to look it up 
once. Whereas, the writer would have to type out the whole phrase 
every time he wrote it...
If you really wanna have fun with acronyms, just move the letters up 
or down the alphabet a few places...:-)
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20) From: Angelo
That's why "context" was invented and used to this very day...
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21) From: David liguori
raymanowen wrote:
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And Richard Wagner invented the first automatic clothes washer, but it 
was completely impractical, requiring over 16 hours just to get through 
the wring cycle.
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22) From: Bob Hazen
"excuse me. . ."
Made me grin, Allon.  It's great to read techy material embedded with humor. 
You do read Pease Porridge don't you?  Now that he's left National 
Semiconductor, there's likely an opening.  He would be a hard act to follow, 
but perhaps. . .
Bob
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23) From: Allon Stern
On Sep 3, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Bob Hazen wrote:
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Never heard of it.http://electronicdesign.com/Departments/Index.cfm?AD=1&DepartmentID=6Ah, looks interesting. Take 1 part knowledge and 1 part snark, stir  =
gently.
I'll have to start :)
Hah, great take on the economy from a process control engineer...
"Alan Greenspan has admitted that he screwed up and had a bad model  =
for the economy. He claims he misunderstood what was going to happen.  =
What did Spice suggest for him to do? I coulda told you that Greenspan  =
was not doing a good job on his PID controller.
He waited too long to start decreasing the interest rates, and then he  =
decreased them too slowly. I noticed that at the time! Then, by  =
leaving the interest rate at 1% for too long, he got the ARMs to start  =
out too low. And then when the rates went up, the subprime mortgage  =
holders got whip-sawed.
This is exactly how you make a limit-cycle oscillator! In other words,  =
Mr. Greenspan did not have enough D (derivative) term in his  =
controller, and he failed to anticipate new problems. And he had too  =
much gain in the I (integral) path. I can do this any day, on my bench— =
but I don’t destroy a nation’s economy.
No, I don’t want to take over Greenspan’s job. I don’t want that job.=
  =
But I could still do it less badly"
I still gotta figure out PIDs and actually find the time to build one.  =
I have some roaster parts waiting for me to find the time :(
In the cup this morning: IMV
-
allon
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24) From: David Liguori
Allon Stern wrote:
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Anyone who doesn't live in a cave knows Laser and CD--and especially, 
RIAA, due to some of the fatuous legal actions they've taken recently.  
If you do happen to be a cave dweller, any modern English dictionary, or 
Wickipedia, will set you straight. 
Anyone have a URL for Tom and Maria's FAQ?  Google it?  Thought so.
Personally, I'm curious about the ingenious ways people have come up 
with to roast coffee, though I'm more comfortable with the fit and 
finish of a commercial home roaster, such as it is (constantly 
improving, to be sure).  I started out with an original FR, moved on to 
an AR and am now a happy GC user.  If I read about someone roasting 
coffee with a "Stir Crazy" (SC, "subcarrier" in some circles) popper in 
tandem with some other appliance (I forget the acronym) I do so with 
great interest.  However, if it's so thick with gibberish like "HG+DB" 
that it's difficult for me to tell what the heck you are talking about, 
I tend to move on.  I'm not about to go Googling or FAQ-ing unless I 
have some reasonable assurance that what I'm reading will be of interest 
to me once deciphered.    So if you're just writing for members of the 
secret society, fine.  But if you want to draw in others who may find it 
interesting but haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about, you 
should at least use the full phrase once, so people can figure it out.  
I still find writing "HT" for "Hot Top"  a bit lazy.   I also take issue 
with the suggestion that one would only have to look up the acronym 
once, considering  the number of them flying out there, and  the number 
of things never intended for coffee roasting  creative people are 
employing (and some of our memories aren't that great).   Clever things 
like "*$" that another clever person might be able to figure out are one 
thing, but  it's not reasonable to expect someone to figure out that "HG 
+ DB" stands for "heat gun plus doggie bowl" on a coffee roasting forum 
unless they've seen it before.
I take no delight in using unintelligible phrases, but you might.
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25) From: Yakster
Haha, good one that I can appreciate.
When I graduate high school, I asked my folks for the CD box set, 15 CDs.  I
have no idea now why, and instead highly recommend the 1 CD highlights, but
there's nothing like loading up all 15 in a changer and pressing play to
annoy your family on a clean up the house weekend day.
-Chris
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26) From: Floyd Lozano
How about if someone uses an acronym you don't understand, ask.
But while we're on pet peeves, I dislike it when people argue some off topic
point and then try to make it a coffee-related post by saying how much they
enjoy this origin they roasted just yesterday, or whatever.  Please ;)
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27) From: raymanowen
You're right- the CD player is supposed to put out a flat 1v signal, and the
pre-amplifier Aux input has no RIAA equalization. No RIAA equalization could
get the CCCCC of the 64' Diaphone Profunda pedal stop in the Atlantic City
Convention Hall auditorium organ to become sound pressure waves from the
Zenith Hi Fi set...
At 8.11 Hz, maybe CCCCC was in there- Down 50 dB!  Hz- Hertz, cycles per
second; dB- decibels- a logarithmic scale that is useful for measuring human
hearing response. (0dB doesn't mean 0 sound, it's a reference level like
normal conversational speech, and 3dB is the smallest change you can
perceive with normal hearing)
3dB is a 2:1 power change; 10dB is a 10:1 difference.
(dB = 10 Log Power ratio,
      = 20 Log Voltage or Current ratio.
For those that have tuned out, I'll never tell about the fresh roasted +20
hrs IMV. Bitte, verzeihen Sie mir- (Idido Misty Geological Depression- in
the country and province of birth of Emperor Haile Selassie)
First espresso grind on the new burrs- just whistled through like the
regrind of press grounds when I forget to reset for an espresso brew.
Prewash the new burrs in Dawn, Simple Green and bleach mix, rinse. Stop
potential corrosion with EVOO rub down. Was zum Teufel- (Extra Virgin Olive
Oil)
15 hours late, the Fortune Cookie says, "You will enjoy a fabulous espresso
shot"
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
-- =
“Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have act=
ed;
the indifference of those who should have known better;
the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most;
that has made it possible for evil to triumph.”
 --Haile Selassie
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