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Topic: Maestro vs Plus vs Virtuoso vs Rancillio Rocky (13 msgs / 288 lines)
1) From: Ken Schillinger
It's about time for a new coffee grinder, and I'm not sure which one to get. I've looked at the Maestro, Maestro Plus, Virtuoso and the Rancillio Rocky, and can't make up my mind. I have switched to brewing mainly with a French press (down to a couple cups a day) and an occasional espresso beverage. My old grinder does ok for the espresso grind, but has way too many fines for the press. Which of the listed grinders gets the nod with this group?
Thanks for your input, Ken.
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2) From: Yakster
Ken,
Do you plan to keep your old grinder for espresso and use the new one for
press or are you hoping to buy one grinder for all your needs?
What I've heard about the Baratza's is that they're good grinders, but not
necessarily for espresso, but I've no experience with these grinders other
then reading forum posts.
-Chris
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Ken Schillinger  wrote:
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3) From: Bill S.
Ken,
I use a Maestro dedicated for french press, and a Mazzer Mini dedicated for
expresso.  I'm a fairly low volume home user.  I dose by measuring whole
beans into the grinders and run them till empty.  I use a rubber ear suringe
to blow beans and pieces in the hopper for a complete grind.
This set up works well because I can leave both grinders set for their
tasks. IMO the Maestro works well for french press.  I haven't tried it for
espresso, but others have commented that it doesn't do well for that
purpose.
Bill S.
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4) From: Hap Maguire
Hey Ken
I picked up a Mazzer Super Jolly a couple of months ago and it works  
super. Its also very quiet which my wife really appreciates.
Hap Maguire
On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Ken Schillinger wrote:
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5) From: Ken Schillinger
Good question Chris,
I would like to have just one grinder as I have a really small, full house.
The way I do it now is that I have two marks on the adjustment ring of my 
grinder; one for espresso and the other for press coffee.
Ken.

6) From: Doug Hoople
Hi Ken,
If you're brewing press a lot, as well as espresso, you may actually want to
consider the Baratza Vario, too. By all reports, it produces great espresso,
and it also is pretty consistent with medium to coarse grinds, which can't
be said of most grinders on the market.
Short of something in the stratospheric class of the Mahlkoenig Tanzania,
the Vario's probably as consistent a grinder as you're going to find for
press, drip and vacpot.
Doug
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Ken Schillinger  wrote:
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7) From: Andrew Fresh
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:07:58AM -0700, Doug Hoople wrote:
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I have a Vario and know that Coffee Geek[1][2] (Mark Prince) is
currently doing a longish term test with one. 
I really like mine tho I use it for espresso 99.9% (or more) of the time. 
We did try some Turkish coffee and it seemed able to do that just fine
as well.
And, hi all, I am fairly new to home roasting, up to 54 roasts on my
Behmor, mostly the Espresso Monkey Blend, tho 20lb of the New Classic
Espresso should be here tomorrow.
I have pictures of my Behmor[3] and the rest of my coffee setup[4] if
you are interested.
[1]http://twitter.com/CoffeeGeek[3]http://twitpic.com/7kj1b[4]http://flic.kr/p/6LDPyd ">http://coffeegeek.com[2]http://twitter.com/CoffeeGeek[3]http://twitpic.com/7kj1b[4]http://flic.kr/p/6LDPyd 
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8) From: Michael Dhabolt
Ken,
I'll add my vote to the previous recommendations for the Vario.  It is
easily adjustable between grinds so should meet your requirements.
I've been doing my own test for 8 or ten months now (sits alongside my
currently not being used Mini).  I'm impressed.
Mike (just plain)
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9) From: Ken Schillinger
Thanks all for replying to my question. I'm sure the Vario is a great 
machine, but my budget won't allow for over $400.00. I really am trying to 
stick to the price range of the three mentioned in the subject line. I 
realize I won't be getting the top of the line, but surely I can get a 
decent grinder for that price?
Thanks, Ken.
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10) From: Mike Chester
With a $400 budget, I would opt for a used commercial machine like a SJ, 
Major, Mini, etc and a new set of burrs.  I think you would end up with a 
better grinder than a new one in that price range.
Mr. Chester

11) From: Andrew Fresh
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 07:34:23AM -0700, Ken Schillinger wrote:
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I got my Vario for under $400, I called Chris Coffee and got a discount.
Don't recall, but I think it was 10% off or something that brought it to
around $380 and free shipping.
(Tho don't tell Baratza cuZ they apparently get mad if it is sold for
less than whatever their minimum price is) 
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12) From: Ira
At 01:20 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote:
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Legally, they can only get mad if it's advertised for less, they can 
have no say in the sale price.
Ira
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13) From: raymanowen
If your "old grinder" was ever satisfactory for all of your brewing modes,
why not hang on to it and just replace the grinding burrs? The beans won't
know from new, you'll have a familiar machine and have some discretionary
wampum left over for other necessities,
like More Beans.
If you can detect fines at any grinder setting, rest assured that it
produces the same fines at all settings. Why wouldn't it? My Maestro,
Maestro Plus and Bodum Antigua all suffered from the same rough-cut upper
ring burrs and generated lotsa fines. All have good homes now.
My BUFF grinder arrived with decade-old burrs, but I had a new set ready to
go before I did any grinding. Just did it again (a little Late) after four
years and minimal use. (200#?) Have to keep watch on the fines and have a
new burr set on hand by 2011.
BUFF was the only way I could achieve the three-prong grounded electric plug
and grounded frame. It's hard to believe how much difference the grounded
frame makes, but it does. The grounds are exquisite and the flavors beg to
be experienced.
Ah, well- there's a small problem. My Celtic Critic honey used to despise
all coffee and was a real Fire Brand when I did something SNAFU in roasting,
aging, grinding or brewing a cup for her to sample.
The Costa Rica Naranjo Caracol at C+ just Has to be experienced as a 1.5:1
Steinway. Roastus Interruptus (C+) produces a delightful symphony of
flavors.
"This is good, Ray, But-"
"But, what?"
"It's not espresso!"
Aw, dammit- Over the Top...
"How can you critique the coffee when I can make so many misteaks with the
Crapesso?"
"I said* *it was good-"
The caveat. Guess I need to build a Crapesso table with rain gutters.
Cheers, Mabuhay, Iechyd da -RayO, aka Opa!
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