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Topic: Help ... going to Vegas ... will need coffee (39 msgs / 966 lines)
1) From: Greg Hollrigel
Hi everyone:
I'm going to Las Vegas this week.  I was getting all set to bring my beans,
Aeropress, and grinder so I could at least drink good coffee.  From what
I've read, Vegas does not have a good coffee scene.  I called the hotel to
make sure they had a coffee maker or supply of hot water in the room, like
most hotels.  They said no ... I could order coffee from room service.
Ouch!!!
Does anyone have any helpful tips for getting hot water to brew coffee in a
Vegas hotel?  I'm scared to have to buy a pitcher of hot water from room
service.  LoL
Maybe I should bring my grinder, beans, and aeropress to the Buffet and get
a pitcher of hot water at the table?  :-)
Thanks,
Greg
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2) From: Dean De Crisce
Yes...go buy a 10 dollar immersion heater (they sell em at target or bad
batha and beyond). I use it right in the aeropress no problem. you can also
heat the thing up in the microwave.
Dean De Crisce
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Ask if the room has a nuker, if not add a hotpot to your travel kit.
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4) From: Sandy Andina
Pack an electric kettle or immersion heater coil and a mug (you'd be  
surprised how many upscale hotels have only glasses, and even good  
motels only styrofoam cups).   Last time I was there, there were a  
couple of coffeehouses near UNLV--I remember the name Brewed  
Awakenings, but I'm blanking on the bigger and hipper one which serves  
mostly students rather than us grownups. (Kids are pickier about their  
espresso these days). Alas, Mermaid Cafe is no more.
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5) From: Barry Luterman
In Vegas I use an immersion heater,Aeropress , Zass Turkish and insulated
cup Has always been a winner for me. Takes the least amt of packing space.
Leave a couple of bucks for the maid.
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6) From: Yakster
If you pick the immersion heater coil, you may want two... They can
fail at inconvenient times, but are small and pack well.
I kitted one up with the AP and Kyocera grinder, but never got to
really use it.
-Chris
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7) From: Greg Hollrigel
I never heard of an immersion heater before.  That fits the bill
exactly!!!!  Thanks everyone.  Also good tip on bringing a mug and having a
spare.  I'm glad I asked.
Greg
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8) From: Terry McVay (rr)
I use the small Bodem that Tom carries and it has served well.
I can make coffee in the morning for both the wife and I in just 
a few minutes and the pour-over filters and scale fits right inside when I
pack.

9) From: Sandy Andina
Would the immersion heater be safe in an acrylic Bodum?
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10) From: decrisce.md
If you put the ap together, both parts-the immersion heater fits in there well with the stirrer. Then the whole thing can be put in a mug for travel (especially if you put the plunger through the wrong end-makes one end smaller). 
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11) From: Allon Stern
On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Greg Hollrigel   
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I have a double-walled stainless mug I got at REI a while back that I  
take with me for use with the aeropress. Great hedge just in case the  
hotel only gives you styrofoam or paper (which happened to me recently  
at a relatively upscale place - amazing how the expensive hotels  
scrimp on the ammenities that cheaper places give you for free)
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12) From: Allon Stern
On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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If it is capable of holding boiling water, it should be safe for an  
immersion heater, as long as it is immersed in water. Water can't get  
hotter than it's boiling point, unless you put it under pressure.
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13) From: Terry McVay (rr)
Sandy do you mean the immersion heater that is built into the Bodum? 
The scale and filters are very lite-weight and the bodum is pretty 
solid. Don't expect any trouble...

14) From: Rich
Just an Oh-By-The-Way.  The immersion heater will rapidly melt if 
energized without being in water.  It also will scar plastic even when 
in water if it rests against plastic.
It requires some operator attention to prevent early AM pyrotechnics.
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15) From: Sandy Andina
No, I thought people were talking about the Bodum acrylic French  
press.  My brain isn't working today--my portable Bodum Mini-Ibis  
kettle is plastic. My "duh."
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16) From: Sandy Andina
That's what I thought.  It's the reason that kettles have auto-shutoff  
once boiling point is reached to prevent boiling them dry and then  
melting the heating element.  I seem to remember when I was a little  
kid that my mom wrecked a plastic travel mug once with an immersion  
heater.
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17) From: Joseph Robertson
Greg,
If your going to the trouble, "which by the way is not trouble to me when it
comes to insuring my morning cup has some taste to it" to bring all the
grinding and brewing tools why not bring a hot water maker. You know the
one's for heating water for tea real fast. It will boil it so you can halt
the process by hitting the lever and lifting the pitcher/pot off the heating
section and your ready to brew. Takes maybe 5 minutes. Very fast units out
there.
JoeR
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18) From: Joseph Robertson
Greg,
I see I'm posting after many wise coffee folks here. I would use the pot
size like I have mentioned over the immersion heater. Just my preference. I
just have an aversion to putting a heating element in my cup when a pot of
hot water is so convenient. Now if space is an issue that is different. Like
traveling in the UK with a backpack. Good or great coffee is not a simple
process or it would be all over LV. Anyone want to put a craft roaster cafe
in town. I had no idea good fresh roasted coffee was not on the LV strip.
JoeR
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19) From: Yakster
I remember someone mentioning in a previous thread that the hotel they
were staying in wanted to charge them extra for smoking in a
non-smoking room, where the poster hadn't smoked.  They chalked it up
to the smell of fresh roasted coffee.
I think maybe it was the grounds, sometimes I'll pick up a smokey
smell from the spent grounds so you might want to dump them in a trash
can outside the room?
-Chris
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20) From: Greg Hollrigel
Good memory Chris - that was me, too.  LoL  :-)  That thought is crossing my
mind at the moment, but I seemed to have had a successful experience in
Puerto Rico recently, but they also had a source of hot water.  Hoping that
my Vegas hotel, which is pretty fancy for me, won't complain.
Joe - I agree with the electric pot, I just don't have room.  I've found an
immersion heater to borrow that I will use for this trip, and then I will
look around for an immersion heater to buy or a small electric pot that
might fit.
I agree with Allon that it is surprising when these deluxe, fancy hotels
don't provide a coffee maker device in the rooms when they are routinely
provided in Hiltons, Sheratons, and the like.  It honestly baffles me.
Thanks everyone, I'm off to the Strip!!!
Greg

21) From: Andrew Fresh
On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 05:49:11PM -0800, Greg Hollrigel wrote:
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I will sure agree with this, we end up shopping in Vegas as it is the
closest place for that.
Fortunately we generally just go for the day, but from what I have
found, there are two places that sell Illy coffee (same owner of both).
They are your best bet for something that isn't Starbucks that you don't
bring yourself.
There is one (well sort of two) inside the Palazzo and one in a strip
mall outside of town.
Espressamente Illy 
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In the Palazzo
 3325 Las Vegas Blvd S
 Las Vegas, NV 89109-1414
 (702) 869-2233
Strip Mall
 9555 S Eastern Ave
 Las Vegas, NV 89123
 (702) 243-4559
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22) From: Yakster
Wow, that was you on the previous thread?  Ha ha.  I was following
that thread closely because I was going to become a road warrior, but
that didn't happen.
As to why a fancy chain doesn't have the coffee pot, either they
really want to get you down to that Buffet (and down to the gambling)
or they're afraid of their guests turning their coffee maker's into
drug processing labs (some weird story I heard on the news).
It does seem pretty strange that there's no great coffee in Vegas, I
know that they've got a reputation for great cigars and I think that
they had someone hand rolling them somewhere in Vegas... but I guess
coffee just doesn't rate highly enough as a vice to be on their radar
screen.
I was also going to suggest a tabletop vac pot for a nice, relaxing
way to enjoy coffee, but that doesn't pack light either.
Enjoy your trip.
-Chris
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23) From: Joseph Robertson
Have fun Greg,
You know how green I am with envy. It's been a long time since  have been
strolling that boardwalk of lights.
Cheers,
JoeR
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24) From: Sandy Andina
I stayed in both a posh Renaissance and a Westin, and they provided  
only single-cup Starbucks-pack brewers. (In their defense, they were  
much better--stronger and fresher--than the Starbucks packs that come  
with the standard motel-room 4-c. drip machines and the daily supply  
was enough for 4-12 oz. cups of regular and 2 decaf). I also stayed at  
a Ritz-Carlton Resort (Lake Las Vegas in Henderson) that featured its  
own proprietary blend in those little disposable plastic trays, and  
brewed with 8 oz. water tasted watery. (OTOH, the room included a huge  
wooden chest of Stash and Tazo teabags, and you couldn't walk three  
steps in any direction without being handed a bottle of water). Last  
week I was at the Michelangelo at the north end of the Times Sq.  
theatre district--excruciatingly expensive even, I suspect, on non- 
Marathon/non-Halloween weekends.  Nary a coffeemaker in sight, but  
there was unlimited free pastries, coffee (reg. and dark), espresso,  
and cappuccino every morning in the lobby till 10:30 a.m.   I think  
even the Venetian (last time I stayed on the Strip) lacks coffeemakers  
in its bi-level suites.
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25) From: Joseph Robertson
Sandy,
Sounds like there is no lack of coffee and patron support in the city of
lights.
Other than *$'s I hope there are or is a local roaster so the "real" coffee
folks can benefit from the freshness possible. If you read this Greg, let us
know what you find. You would think the city that never sleeps would strive
for great wake up experiences besides music on the caliper of Sandy's.
Cheers,
JoeR
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26) From: Greg Hollrigel
Wow!  What a thread.  Excellent points by all.
I was thinking how to respond because I didn't want to just bag on places,
but since names have been dropped, I will chime in.
The 2 things I have to say, is that coffee here in Vegas on the Strip is
dismal except in my room in the Palazzo, and that Sweet Maria's coffee is
fantastic (but you all know this anyway).
As soon as I got here, the only 2 places that I could find that were
supposed to be somewhat good and actually in my hotel are a La Vazza shop
and Espressemente (which was mentioned in an earlier post).  The LaVazza
double espresso I had was awful.  Like old dish water.  The Espressemente
was better, but still tasted stale and overall, not good.
This morning I had 2 cups of Colombian about 4 days post roast.  Thank my
lucky stars.  Having those 2 cups made my day.
I am so thankful for the tips here because I would have been miserable not
having my coffee.  I did miss my morning routine of a double espresso and a
cappucino off my pump machine at home, but Aeropress fresh coffee got me
close to my morning ritual.
I ended up using my mom's immersion heater, which seems to be pretty
decent.  It was slow though.  So, if I can find an electric tea kettle that
will fit in my luggage, I will get one of those in the future.  If not, I
will get a couple of immersion heaters since it did the job, but just a
little more work.
What I really enjoy in my mind is that my home espresso is so good.  I often
question myself whether I'm pulling shots that would stand the scrutiny of
more polished espresso drinkers.  But when I go to places like Ritual,
Barefoot, and Blue Bottle, and Kean down in Orange County, my home fresh
espresso is as good and sometimes better than those places (at least to me,
which matters to me most).  Always a nice reminder.  But ... compared to the
espresso here, man, my espresso is the bees knees.  So much better, and I
appreciate all of my "studying" on how to make really good espresso, with
the help of Tom's beans and his workshop blends.
So, I'm a happy camper here, as long as my coffee keeps brewing!!!  :-)
Cheers,
Greg
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27) From: Joseph Robertson
 Greg,
what would you think of becoming a special envoy of SM's. A travel guide
taster to good coffee for those on this list who travel to major US cities?
All you have to do is travel and report back so we don't have all those
hotel motel nightmare coffee experiences that ruin an otherwise great trip.
Now you would have to travel a lot and possibly taste some really bad stuff
some call coffee to find the sweet gems out there.
The pay is not too good at first but I will be the first to donate to the
cause if you choose to take this mission.
If you don't this message will dissolve into cyberspace and the opportunity
will pass on to another SM's traveler.
<];^) many smiles to you Greg, I wish I was out there with you.
So much coffee and so little time...
JoeR
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28) From: Yakster
Greg,
Good to hear your able to bring the minimum requirements along.  This
thread has been very interesting to me, and I have to say that I agree
with you regarding home espresso compared to cafe.  I'm spoiled here
in that I frequent great places like Roy's Station and Red Berry
Coffee Bar (RBCB) that serve great, freshly roasted beans.  Roy's
pulls Barefoot "The Boss" and RBCB has Barefoot, Ecco, and Ritual.
When I travel out of the area and get an espresso elsewhere, I know I
can usually blow them away, at least on a good day, and that's with a
pretty pitiful espresso machine.
I exchanged some email with an espresso enthusiast in Orange County
and I asked if there were any good cafes down there (my folks live
down there).  He said, sadly besides Kean, the only good place was at
his place.  Still just islands of great coffee and espresso.
Today I stopped by both places and had an awesome two doubles of
Ritual's new seasonal Snow Cone, one pulled at 95.4 with Lime, and
Tangerine and chocolate notes and one pulled at 94.1 with more
emphasis on the chocolate and less of the fruit.  While I was talking
to the Barista, Chris, we talked about the Mypressi Twist portable
espresso maker and he whipped one out to show me.  Wow, now I know
what I want for Christmas (besides an espresso grinder).  This is a
sample he got from Mypressi that he's playing with, it's a lot bigger
then I though with a full sized 53 mm double basket.  I still don't
like the idea of using Whippet canisters for the pressure from an Eco
perspective, but they are recyclable.  Since this Barista really knows
his stuff and recommends this, I think I'll give it a try.
This Mypressi Twist, if it's that good, would be perfect for hotel
room espresso.  You'd have to pair it with a water kettle because you
have to heat up the group.
Now, if I can only get one coffee gift for Christmas, I'm now leaning
towards this and continuing to use the hand grinder until I can afford
an espresso grinder later.
I'll ask my friend in Vegas if he knows any good coffee places, but
since he's not a coffee geek, I'm not sure I'll get any great places.
I did notice a post on the Sweet Maria's forum from a home roaster in
Vegas looking to see if others were in the area, maybe they could make
a good recommendation.
-Chris
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29) From: Barry Luterman
As a frequent visitor to Vegas I have long ago given up the quest for good
coffee any where in Nevada.
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30) From: Yakster
Wow, almost sounds like an opportunity in the making there.
I've thought about opening a coffee place in Alexandria, LA (family
has a place there) but a nice coffee bar in Vegas with siphon,
espresso, and slots might be exciting.
Something to think about.
-Chris
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31) From: Yakster
The pressurized canisters that power the Mypressi Twist are not
allowed on planes, though, so you have to pick them up locally when
you travel.http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/compressed_gas.shtmI forgot about that.
Sigh.
-Chris
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32) From: Doug Hoople
Not to pile on, but why not?
I don't know Vegas, and don't like it, so this observation is potentially
worth less than you're paying for it.
I'm not sure there's actually demand for good coffee in Vegas. The one time
I was there, and despite the futility of it, I instinctively kept my
antennae out for a decent cup of coffee and a bookstore.
Now, I know books are culturally counter to the reasons why people go to
Vegas, so that was almost understandable, if a bit depressing.
And not a superb cup of coffee, either... just any coffee that wasn't drek.
Back then, the only option on the strip was *$, and it was the palest
imitation of a *$ that I had ever seen. They didn't even bother to try to
put on a show, just set up the storefront and ran it on a demoralized
autopilot. And the coffee was drek, far worse than the standard franchise
run..
It occurs to me that the crowds might not even bother to ignore a quality
coffee outlet in Vegas, and that any attempt to set one up might be doomed.
The big exception, possibly, would be a flash-and-trash halogen siphon bar,
with baristas flipping cups in the air ala Benihana, and transporting the
finished coffee to customers down a sushi boat conveyor, lights flashing and
slots chirping in the background.
Hmmm... might be something to it after all. All visual effect and who cares
of the coffee's any good? Won't be me trying it, though!
Doug
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33) From: Brian Kamnetz
I went to Las Vegas NV only once, but I had a really hard time finding
good beer there too.
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34) From: Barry Luterman
Years ago I lived in Reno. I had to fly to Vegas for a state Licensing
meeting. The meeting was held at the Las Vegas Library. I got into a cab at
the airport and told the driver to take me to the library. The response;"We
have a library?"
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35) From: Bonnie Polkinghorn
Las Vegas used to have a few independent bookstores.
My parents owned a used bookstore there from 1982 - 1998 or so, and
another used bookstore opened up next to them for a while.  They are
all gone now.  It was on Charleston near Maryland Pkwy.  Gundy's Book
World.  My dad got written up in one of the Las Vegas newspapers
because he was so grumpy and grouchy, he scared away the customers!
There was never ever decent coffee in Las Vegas in all those years I used t=
o go.
-Bonnie P.
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36) From: Jim Couch
Tell RoomService to bring you the makings for hot green tea.......
that will get you the water just off boil, should work with a french press.
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111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321
Kidney stones may be more painful than childbirth, but, few 12 year old
stones try to browbeat you for the "right" cell phone and calling plan.
"Idiots are so much fun. Thats why every village has or wants one."  Greg
House
Why don't you ever see the headline 'Psychic Wins Lottery?
There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by
reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to
pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves.
Even if the cat has kittens in the oven we ain't gonna be a callin 'em
biscuits are we?
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37) From: raymanowen
OK- not to state the obvious, but I can never resist searching for sublime
info like the "Turtle races in Sausalito," and "Las Vegas, NV coffee shops"
just up the road from George, where I crashed F-4 combat training sims.
Out of 5,340,000 hits, the coffee aficionado should find a lode or two in
the L-V area. Even had maps with flags of the locations.
Cheers, Mabuhay, Iechyd da -RayO, aka Opa!
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38) From: Terry McVay (rr)
.  So, if I can find an electric tea kettle that will fit in my luggage, I
will get one of those in the future.  
That little Bodum that Tom carries, if you fill it with things you are
taking anyway, take up no more room than a handkerchief.  And it sure makes
travelling easier.  I do a route through the other Pacific islands once in a
while and a cup of good coffee in the morning and evening makes all the
difference in the world..
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39) From: Sandy Andina
Mine is the Bodum Mini-Ibis, which is elliptical rather than round and  
thus fits into the average-sized suitcase or garment bag.
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Peace & song,
Sandy Andina
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