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Topic: iRoast fire (22 msgs / 489 lines)
1) From: Jeff Kilpatrick
Hello,
I apologize to forum readers for the double-post.
This morning, my mom's iRoast caught fire.  Within a couple of minutes of
roast start, sparks and flame shot out of the base into the roasting
chamber.  Provided she can produce proof of purchase (which may not be
possible since this one is a replacement for a previous defective unit),
Hearthware has begrudgingly agreed to replace it.
Has anybody else experienced sparks or flame in the iRoast?  Has anybody
tried roasting in the dark or in dim light?
Thanks,
-jeff
son of a likely future Behmor user
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2) From: Rich M
Been using the iRoast for about 4 years now. Luckily, no flames even  
though I've accidentally let it run way too long a couple of times.  
Ruined beans, but no fires.
Rich M
On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Jeff Kilpatrick wrote:
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3) From: Barry Luterman
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Jeff Kilpatrick
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4) From: Allon Stern
On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Jeff Kilpatrick wrote:
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I've seen sparks shoot out of my heat gun, usually when chaff gets  
sucked into the air intake.
I've taken apart an iRoast, and there was a ton of gunk built up on  
the inside.http://www.radioactive.org/iRoast2%20Teardown/Photos_files/DSC_0081.jpgIn general, I've kept my iRoast clean, and not had problems with it  
(the one in the picture is a dead one given to me).
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5) From: James Quentin
Jeff -

Well, it should taste just like Starbucks when you're done.

Jim
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Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:16 AM
Hello,
I apologize to forum readers for the double-post.
This morning, my mom's iRoast caught fire. Within a couple of minutes of
roast start, sparks and flame shot out of the base into the roasting
chamber. Provided she can produce proof of purchase (which may not be
possible since this one is a replacement for a previous defective unit),
Hearthware has begrudgingly agreed to replace it.
Has anybody else experienced sparks or flame in the iRoast? Has anybody
tried roasting in the dark or in dim light?
Thanks,
-jeff
son of a likely future Behmor user
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6) From: Joseph Robertson
Sounds like you got another bad unit. I wonder who they contract the
construction of these units. The quality of any product is no better
than the sum of all the parts, which includes the assembly.
I have had good luck with mine never had any issues at all. They may have
changed contractors if this becomes a pattern.
JoeR
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7) From: raymanowen
"Has anybody tried roasting in the dark or in dim light?"
Yes.
About 3am, it's far more more sunbeams falling on Bangkok than here. The
red-orange glow of the heating element of my Wagner HT-1000 heat gun is
quite visible on the beans as they tumble about in the bread machine in the
wee hours.
Wagner is running fine after nearly a year beyond the 2-yr warranty. Had to
repair the thermal fuse, and a few months ago I had to braze the heater
element end back on to its power rivet. Takes a licking and keep on
ticking...
-ro
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8) From: Larry Williams
I have been the IR2 for 2 years with no problems - certainly no fires.  I
use two machines at a time - one roasts and the other cools.  I cool them
for 14 min on my Jennair down vent.  Roasting 150 gms up to 2 lbs total for
the event.
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9) From: Bill Johns
Joseph Robertson wrote:
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This whole thread is becoming scary.  I'm expecting my my first roaster, 
an iRoast2, to be delivered today . 
Questions:
How old was the unit that caught fire?
Any idea on how it was maintained/cleaned?
The picture showing the gunked-up roaster was sorta scary.  Does that 
sort of fouling happen with normal use and care?  Is taking the unit 
apart to that degree periodically required for home maintenance? 
Any tips on home maintenance of an iRoast2 would be appreciated. 
Thanks,
Bill Johns
Colton, WA
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10) From: Joseph Robertson
So far it seems if you go out of your way to cool these hot little puppys
they run forever and you can even do "back to back roasts" did I say void
the warranty?
Maybe I should say I have roasted several roasts close together with no
problems with adequate cooling in between.
JoeR
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11) From: Jeff Kilpatrick
Before I address Bill's concerns, I'd like to thank everybody for their
insight.  Allon, your photo was very educational in particular.  I won't get
to see her roaster until Thanksgiving, but my guess is that a large chunk of
chaff came loose inside the base and caught fire on its way into the
roasting chamber.  I'm hoping Hearthware will replace the unit (so they can
do a post-mortem and improve their design, if nothing else), but we're
considering other options for replacement.
On to Bill,
How old was the unit that caught fire?
I don't know for sure how old the unit is, but my best estimate is about 1.5
years.  It's definitely less than 3 and almost certainly less than 2.
Any idea on how it was maintained/cleaned?
Every time I visit my mom, I'm shocked at how much cleaner her iRoast is
than mine; she's meticulous about it.  That said, she does not take it apart
to remove the gunk Allon showed in that picture.  After all, she's not
accustomed to disassembling any of other her consumer appliances and there
is nothing in the manual to suggest she should.  In fact, the manual
explicitly states she shouldn't:
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I haven't taken mine apart yet, but my guess is that it does. Thinking back,
there was certainly chaff build up in my old CaffeRosto and a recent thread
suggests HotTops have similar issues.  My mom doesn't do anything strange
with the roaster and, truth be told, she uses it less often and more
carefully than I do mine.
Is taking the unit apart to that degree periodically required for home
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Not according to the manual.  However, if you are comfortable doing so and
are willing to assume the risks associated with taking apart an electronic
device, I would recommend internal cleaning from time to time.  I know I
will.
Thanks to all and good luck to Bill!
-jeff
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12) From: Avalon
  I have been roasting 3 to 4 batches per week on an iRoast2 since 11/05.
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13) From: Allon Stern
On Nov 11, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Joseph Robertson wrote:
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The iRoast does best with a long cooldown between roasts. Otherwise,  
the profile (such as it is) gets all screwed up on the second roast.
I wouldn't worry too much about the iRoast. It's been a pretty decent  
machine.
On Nov 11, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Bill Johns wrote:
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No, it is not. That machine was given to me after having been run into  
the ground. The roasting chamber was pretty gunked up too (sadly,  
though, the glass broke in shipment) indicating that it wasn't  
necessarily cleaned as often as it could be. Also, one of the coils  
(there are two coils) has an open circuit. I'll have to figure out how  
I can fix that someday (the coil is all corroded next to where it was  
crimped into a riveted round lug)
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14) From: Jeff Kilpatrick
Quick update on the iRoast fire situation:
Hearthware has changed their mind and are no longer willing to replace the
unit.  Instead, my mother has the option to ship the base to them at her
cost and, if they determine the base is faulty, she'll get a discount on a
replacement.
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15) From: Rich
One word comes immediately to mind *Behmor*.  I would write a nice 
letter to the president of Hearthware and explain why you were not going 
to accept their gracious offer.
Jeff Kilpatrick wrote:
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16) From: Bob Hazen
How far out of warranty is the iRoast?
Bob
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17) From: Jeff Kilpatrick
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The short answer is, I don't know.  Sometime over the past couple years,
they replaced her base after it nearly caught fire between roasts.  I don't
know exactly when that was or if that would have reset the warrantee clock.
-jeff
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18) From: Bob Hazen
Seems it would be a stretch to push them for a "warranty" claim.  If it were 
just out of warranty, or not a replacement base, then it might be worth a 
shot.  Even so, if they were interested in customer loyalty.....
Someone else said Behmor.  I'll second that.  I moved from an IR1 to a 
Behmor and never looked back.  Joe's customer service is second to none. 
I've had a couple minor issues and he's been right there.  Oh, and there's 
this bit about the coffee tasting really great out of a Behmor.....
Bob

19) From: Allon Stern
On Nov 14, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Bob Hazen wrote:
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Coffee also tastes great out of an iRoast :)
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20) From: Bob Hazen
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Indeed it does!  I found the coffees roasted in my IR1 had "full range" 
flavors.  By that I mean that the bass, midrange and treble notes all seemed 
to poke through.  Not that I'd call the profile bright; just full range.  By 
contrast, the Behmor tends to produce flavors without so much treble.  I 
gravitate toward thicker, heavier, brooding coffees, so that result works 
well for me.  Still, I've had some "full range" coffees from the IR1 that 
would knock my socks off - except I usually run around barefoot.
Bob
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21) From: raymanowen
...out_an iRoast might be a new problem or an old problem expired. Since the
17th century, a "warrantee" is a person to whom a warranty is made.
I remember John Wayne's comment that one person could engage the rapt
attention of another in a certain situation. In any event they have yours,
do they not? If the manufacturer replaces the roaster base under warranty,
they are idiots.
Encouraging the use of a toy to do the work of a commercial machine in a
home environment is distributing the cost of the folly among their future
customers, and risking litigation for their failure to anticipate
misapplication.
miKe roasts more coffee in a week than a toy should do in a whole lifetime.
No warranty against Cali-fornication. Leave that to me- The Wagner, a China
native, is not a Master, the Wagner is not a Master, the Wagner is not a
Master, the Wagner is not a Master, the Wagner is not a Master.
The HT-1000 played its final movement. No 3rd encore. Wouldn't try to fix it
again- I got my $24 worth over three years- a year beyond the 24-month
warranty. Two Fix-its now I think it's done for.
The Wagner finale came just as First Crack really got lit up in 400g of FTO
Bolivia Caranavi. Closed the bread machine to conserve heat as First did its
own thing. 16:54, and I only saw 374 F max. The test Steinway confirmed =
it
was a viable roast, but my Celtic Critic disagreed.
At least I think the door is open for it to sparkle as it ages. With 23
hours' rest, a couple of 1L press pots into my glass thermos air pot, plus
the s/s travel mug, and I hit the grand opening South Westminster Art Group
(SWAG) art show at the restored Rodeo Market.
"Snob- brought your own coffee, huh? Can I have some?"
"Sure... Let me know how you like it. Just roasted yesterday and it will be
even more complex tomorrow." Zeit sagt alles-
Survey says "I'd like it a little deeper or darker roasted..." But my air
pot is about empty. Maybe I could sell bags of fresh roasted coffee- Not!
Maybe I could teach an art class on how people can roast their own coffee,
with attribution to the best source on the planet.
Cheers, Mabuhay, Iechyd da -RayO, aka Opa!
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22) From: Joseph Robertson
Go for RayO, I think you would make one of the best art instructors I or
anyone ever had.....Coffee Art?
Nice sound..
JoeR
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