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Topic: Whoa! Chocolate Cherry Chiapas (16 msgs / 377 lines)
1) From: Ken Schillinger
Whoa! Chocolate Cherry Chiapas, and a new grinder.
First, I finally decided on a new coffee grinder. A couple I met recently d=
ecided to get into brewing espresso. Well, they decided "it was too much bo=
ther" and were selling their equipment. I didn't need their espresso machin=
e, but did convince them to sell me their used (less than a pound of beans =
through it) Baratza Virtuoso grinder. I had been using my old Braun grinder=
 for close to 20 years, and knew it was time for a change. While the Virtuo=
so doesn't grind quite as coarse as I would like for FP, it does do a much =
better job for espresso. Last week I roasted a batch of Chiapas just into 2=
nd crack in my Behmor, as I have done many times. I fixed myself a latté =
to go with lunch today, and was sipping away without thinking about it when=
 I realized I was tasting not only chocolate, but cherry for the first time=
 ever;WOW, what a nice treat! Who knows what new flavors I'll experience in=
 the future. To me, homeroasting really is worth the effort. =
Ken.
Carpe Ductum (Seize the Duct Tape) =
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2) From: Doug Hoople
Thanks for the report, Ken! It's experiences like these that keep us going
back to the well for better and better coffee.
When you're in charge of the process, there's always the potential for big
eye-openers like these!
Doug
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3) From: michael brown
Right on!  I think you'll enjoy the Virtuoso.  I use mine primarily for esp=
resso and Chemex.  Replaced the burrs once in the 2yrs that i've had it.  B=
een a good little friend to me.
I've got some kenyan and brazilian on the agenda for monday.  Too far into =
the day to fit it in today.  Have a great weekend everybody
Michael B
B'ham, AL
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 decided to get into brewing espresso. Well, they decided "it was too much =
bother" and were selling their equipment. I didn't need their espresso mach=
ine, but did convince them to sell me their used (less than a pound of bean=
s through it) Baratza Virtuoso grinder. I had been using my old Braun grind=
er for close to 20 years, and knew it was time for a change. While the Virt=
uoso doesn't grind quite as coarse as I would like for FP, it does do a muc=
h better job for espresso. Last week I roasted a batch of Chiapas just into=
 2nd crack in my Behmor, as I have done many times. I fixed myself a latt=
é to go with lunch today, and was sipping away without thinking about it =
when I realized I was tasting not only chocolate, but cherry for the first =
time ever;WOW, what a nice treat! Who knows what new flavors I'll experienc=
e in the future. To me, homeroasting really is worth the effort. =
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4) From: Yakster
I've been considering a grinder upgrade from a hand grinder that does
a good job for espresso but isn't very convenient.  From reading some
of the other coffee forums, I'd discounted the Virtuoso for espresso,
concentrating instead on a dedicated espresso grinder at around the
same price range but without the ability to easily change the grind
for different brew methods.
Should I reconsider the Virtuoso?  Maybe I've just been swayed by the
popular opinion in other venues that have given this grinder a bad rap
for espresso.
Someone give me a reality check, I've got thrift store espresso
machines already, but I'd like a grinder that I won't want to upgrade
from right away after I score a used lever or something, and I love
brewing in the clever coffee dripper and Yama vac pot.
Thanks.
-Chris
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM, michael brown  wrote:
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5) From: Yakster
I've already got a Cuisinart burr grinder I use for non-espresso
drinks, but I'm sure a Virtuoso would help vac pot over the
Cuisinart's fake burrs.
-Chris
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6) From: Barry Luterman
How much are you willing to spend?
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7) From: Yakster
I'd like to keep it under $200.
I was looking for a good deal on eBay, but all the desirable grinders
to be found are too tall to fit under my cabinets in the kitchen, so
I've pretty much ruled out the Super Jolly and Rocky Rancillios.
Thanks.
-Chris
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8) From: Barry Luterman
New grinder under 200 for espresso can't think of one. Don't think they
exist. Might get a used grinder that will fit the bill but it will need
work.
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9) From: miKe mcKoffee
IMO (and the opinion of many others) the Virtuoso is not a serious espresso
grinder, marginal at best. Realize the initial post was the flavor surprise
using a Virtuoso for espresso grinding when had been using a 20 YEAR OLD
BRAUN grinder. A grinder that never would have been close to decent for
espresso when new let alone worn out to hell. =
Choose to discount the experience of countless long time espresso fiends or
not, your choice. =
Slave to the Bean Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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10) From: miKe mcKoffee
THE GRINDER IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE ESPRESSO MACHINE... 
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11) From: Yakster
I'm sorry I hijacked this thread, I got excitied and went off on a
tangent.  Ken, that's great that the new grinder opened up a new world
of taste for you.  That's fantastic.
For those that responded, thanks for the advise.  It's been very
helpful and I'm going to chew on it a while.
-Chris
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12) From: John A C Despres
I upgraded from a Virtuoso to a Mazzer Mini for espresso. There's a huge
difference. My current  espresso machine is a Breville toy by comparison to
most, and will be upgraded one day, but the grinder upgrade improved the
coffee. I believe I upgraded in the right order.
John
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13) From: Doug Hoople
I've had the Virtuoso and the Vario side-by-side for a few months, and I can
say that the Vario is substantially more consistent than the Virtuoso. Can't
speak for espresso, as I don't make it, but even for vacpot, the Vario is an
improvement. It's gotten very good reviews as an espresso grinder (beating
the Mini and on par with the Super Jolly).
Doug
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14) From: Michael Dhabolt
I've had the Vario alongside my Mini for ten months or so now.  I
can't comment on grinds other than espresso because I don't consume
other brews. The features of the Vario would recommend it to folks who
grind for different brew methods regularly. It is also Kitchen
friendly from the styling and size perspective.
Whoever is describing the Vario as ;'better than' the Mini may be
doing so with respect to it's features  (which are seriously cool)
rather than grind quality.  With respect to the grind quality, if
there is a substantive difference ... I have been unable to ken it.
Based upon my in-home use of approx. two pounds a week during that
period I have no problem recommending the Vario to anyone who is
looking for a grinder capable of commercial quality espresso grinds.
That does not mean that I would recommend it over the Mini for high
volume commercial use or for in-home use for those who are willing to
trade the $200 or so extra in price for a piece of equipment that has
proven itself to be a final answer to the up-grade-itis that many of
us are afflicted with.  It was purchased originally as my final
grinder (and probably will function well for my grand kids when I'm
gone).  The only reason I got a Vario was to ensure that it was
appropriate to recommend to folks that wanted a quality grinder at
cheaper price point that wouldn't prove itself to be a rip-off with a
modicum of use.
Mike (just plain)
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15) From: Doug Hoople
Hi Mike,
I'm don't drink espresso, and I access to neither a Mini nor a Super Jolly,
so I can't comment from direct experience. Thus, your own side-by-side
comparisons of the Vario with the Mini should hold a lot more weight.
 I was talking about the Vario's output quality, and not its features.
Two things, though. 1) Most of the reviews I've read rate the Super Jolly's
output as better than the Mini's, and that's a pretty long- and
strongly-held opinion that is not often contested. 2) There are at least two
reputable reviews of the Vario that I've read that claim that its
espresso output and resulting cup are more like the Super Jolly's than the
Mini's.
YMMV, and I've already made my disclaimers.
Doug
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16) From: Tom Ulmer
In the Vario price range the Compak K3 would be more interesting to me.
Anyone care to share comments or considerations?


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