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Topic: Idaho bound > was Diedrich 1 Kilo Roaster OT: (15 msgs / 379 lines)
1) From: michael brown
Beautifully said Mike.  I've also heard it said, "Where one door closes, another one opens.  But it can be hell waiting in the hallway!"
That's where i've been the last several months...in the hallway.  It's taken a lot of faith and courage to stick with it but i've learned a GREAT deal about starting businesses, health departments, partnerships (or potential partnerships), networking, the list goes on...  But i've kept taking action, putting one foot in front of the other, networking, networking, networking and today found what could potentially be the future home of my (hopefully) soon to be ready 3kilo USRC roaster.  I've got a few other leads out there i want to follow through with but i think this is going to be the place for me.  When i talked to the guy on the phone before visiting he described the space as, "a small office with a storage room attached."  When i got there, the space was essentially a one car garage with a roll up door and an office attached to it.  More than enough room!  Everything i've seen in the city for the same price was smaller than my guest bathroom!  
It was Christmas last year that made me think i might could get something going with a roasting business.  Now one year later i'm pulling my hair out trying to get everything roasted in time for the holidays.  Earlier this week, i slept Tuesday night and didn't lay down again til 2am Thursday morning, roasting the entire time on my side porch on the Behmor (in four layers of clothes).  I thought by now i'd have my USRC roaster but it's only because i didn't understand/know of the challenges i'd face in finding a place to put it!  Anyway, anyone can want to start a business, it's a little harder to actually start one, and it takes a special kind of person to keep it going!  Thanks for sharing Mike.
Michael Brown
b'ham, AL
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2) From: miKe mcKoffee
My empathy and prayers are with you Michael. Absolutely no sympathy, that's
for whiners and losers. I have the feeling you've got the guts and the nuts
(as in craziness not to listen to others who don't have a clue anyway) to
make it happen, whatever it takes. Cuz' that's what it takes, whatever it
takes, no excuses, no matter what. I know well those roasting marathons
while waiting for my USRC to be built.
And I KNOW that hallway well. Two years, one month and four days since
officially starting this pro Journey taking possession and opening the door
of Paradise Café AND ten months nineteen days since beginning this Roaste=
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2nd location 2nd phase of the Journey and I'm still in the hallway. BUT,
glimpses of the light at the end of the hallway NOT being a freight train
have been coming more frequently and more vividly. While sometimes it still
seems to be a freight train yet I have faith that it's only an illusion and
haven't gotten run over yet.
Michael, Rock On! Roast On! When times get tough and your spirits down as
they will at times, when physically and mentally exhausted to the point of
despair force yourself to take a few hours respite. Recharge your core ever
keeping your focus on your dream. And know there are others treading similar
elusive paths, you are not alone.
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first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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3) From: Doug Hoople
A little heavy-handed with the self-adulation here, aren't we?
Were you in reasonable health while traversing your long hallways? If so,
then spare the agonies, ok?
We all have doors and hallways, and sometimes, as my father-in-law says,
"When one door shuts, another one closes."
There are plenty of people who set up successful small businesses, work
their asses off, and don't get caught up in the worship of every little
adversity along the way.
Doug
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4) From: Brian Kamnetz
Personally, I thought it was on-topic and interesting, and would hate
to see an end to accounts about establishing coffee shops, including
descriptions of what the easier or harder or more- or less- rewarding.
Brian
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5) From: Doug Hoople
"Personally, I thought it was on-topic and interesting, and would hate
to see an end to accounts about establishing coffee shops, including
descriptions of what the easier or harder or more- or less- rewarding."
Agreed, Brian, and I think many of us harbor some ambition of make a
professional go of our coffee passion, so it's not off-topic on a
homeroaster site to discuss such things.
And if a few of us are a bit self-absorbed, I guess that's forgivable, too,
as that self-absorption provides some of the fire that leads to great
coffee.
Still, there's a line between the day-to-day adversities we all face, and
the castles in the sky that many entrepreneurs build for themselves as they
write their creation myths. I was thinking that line was crossed this
morning.
Doug
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6) From: satya vadita
Hi, and welcome to "2 minutes on the couch" - today we have Doug
clearly reacting heavily to a fellow contributor because he presumes
an excess of self indulgence?  Perhaps as someone with the obligatory
white coat I might venture to suggest that this is in itself very
revealing and as you have no doubt guessed in the extremity of his
reaction Doug displays for all to see issues around self worth and
self acceptance. Also we might suggesst a somewhat morbid self
interest and lack of basic empathy in his apparent need to be so
openly dissmissive and hostile. Perhaps the writer of the piece he is
so disdainful about is a tad ott ...so what, he at least is unafraid
of passion and enthusiasm much better I would say than disdain and
contempt for the struggles and sucesses of others.
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7) From: Doug Hoople
Maybe i misunderstand the use of "OT."
OT is for topics that are not coffee homeroasting related.
The term for a thread that talks about 20 different things that ARE
homeroast and coffee-related is "hijacked."
Doug
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8) From: Joseph Robertson
Oh my, where would we be if we didn't have someone policing the On Topic /
Off topic nature of threads here. It could even be misconstrued as a
conversation between human beings that have a passion for coffee as well as
homeroasting. From the sounds of heat generated with this thread I guess
it's time for our host to set up a thread screening system and tighten
things up here. I'm sure there will be a volunteer that has plenty of time
to manage this system...?No?Yes? Oh, I'm afraid I just contributed to a
thread hijacking,,,,I was actually having fun till we got so serious....
JoeR
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Doug Hoople  wrote:
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9) From: Doug Hoople
"Agreed... many of us are self-absorbed but I could never profess to know,
much less judge, the toll as it weighs on another's efforts. If you proclaim
the tales told as disingenuous to your critical standards, then I shall
express my displeasure and query the means that allow you such a lofty
opinion of yourself that you may define the line you write."
I had to read this a few times in order to realize that it's probably
addressed to me.
I proclaim no tales told as "disingenuous to [my] critical standards," as
I'd have to actually know what that meant in order to proclaim it, and I
don't. I suspect that you don't either, so let's let that lie.
But your displeasure is noted.
As for adversity inflation in an entrepreneur's creation myth, I can smell
that a mile away, and there's been an increasing amount of it coming from
that corner. Every small businessman I know has had hassles with regulations
and licensing that seem senseless. Every restauranteur I know has sent the
staff home on a dull day only to findh him- or herself caught in an
unexpected rush. Most small businessmen I know feel like they're out there
on a limb all by themselves. We're supposed to respond to these Sisyphean
problems and Herculean efforts with.... what?
Sole survivor, last man standing, willing to do what no other mortal is
willing to do... that's an entrepreneur's creation myth.
This guy's not a homeroaster anymore. He runs a successful commercial coffee
and restaurant operation in multiple locations. His adversities are
magnificently large when retailed to us roaster wannabes as an audience, but
they're just part of running a small business, and not particularly
extraordinary, either, in that context.
Sorry, just my $0.02, and that's $0.02 mroe than you paid for it.
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10) From: Doug Hoople
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Sorry, Mike, I wasn't referring to you, but I can see how you might have
thought I was.
My apologies.
I'm not sure why I got onto this riff. I guess it'b because this isn't a
small business forum.
If it pleases the list to hear about the miseries of running a small
business, then far be it from me to keep that from happening.
Good luck to you, Mike, and to MiKe (the guy at whom I was directing my ire)
in making a go of your small businesses.
Doug
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11) From: John A C Despres
Doug, your responses are more than a bit harsh and over the top. But if
you're the new sheriff, then, congratulations.
However, these guys are sharing stories about roasting, both home and
otherwise. One has a dream and one's living the dream. I want to continue
hearing from both of these gentlemen in the same exact manner I've been
reading their post of many years.
miKe's input has furthered my roasting skills (and others as well, I
imagine) in a huge way. He's the guy to respond if someone here has a
question his experience can deal with.
If miKe's posts, words, thoughts, experiences, comments (caustic or
otherwise) and jokes did not belong here, Tom, Derek or Maria would have
thrown him out a long time ago.
miKe is one of the most solid members here and I look forward to his
valuable input.
Relax, have another cup of the good stuff and please enjoy everyone's input.
It's *all* valuable.
John
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12) From: Joseph Robertson
 John,
OT,,,I think, maybe not now though.
Thank you for your comments and input. Sometimes it takes this holiday
season to remind me that it is all about mutual respect for others and
sharing all the good coffee stuff I have learned here on Tom's site. I can't
tell you John how much I have gleaned from you, miKe, and all the others
here. Let me take this time to thank all on this list and especially Tom for
making it possible for us to share and learn together as a community with
one common coffee spirit. Happy Holidays to all,
Cheers,
JoeR
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13) From: Doug Hoople
Hi John,
Looks like you're the new sheriff, not me. Trust me, I know that an
objection to one of MiKe's posts isn't going to gain me any appointments
here.
You're absolutely right about MiKe's stellar contributions here, and he's
helped me, too, in my coffee roasting.
But for the past few months, it's been all about the business, and very
little about the coffee. Maybe he gets an exemption for being a local
legend, but I've found of late that his posts are far more suited to a small
business forum of. One, in particular, a couple of months ago, was quite
offensive outside of a small business forum, and my outburst yesterday may
have been a delayed reaction to that.
You might be right, and I was probably a little over the top, and I
apologize for that. I don't think, though, that I was entirely wrong.
Thanks for the feedback.
Doug
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14) From: Doug Hoople
"Your intuition is most certainly off kilter and feigning ignorance does not
support your opinion or behavior."
Sorry, Tom, I wasn't feigning ignorance. I simply wasn't going to try to
puzzle out the obvious misuse of the word "disingenuous."
Doug
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15) From: Doug Hoople
Satya,
I think the term for such gratuitous, insulting and deliberately provocative
psycho-babble nonsense is "trolling," and the proper response to a troll is
to ignore him.
Doug
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