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Topic: Roasting smoke and birds (8 msgs / 194 lines)
1) From: Allon Stern
Okay this may be largely directed at Starfinder, but I welcome anyone with experience to chime in :)
We're getting a pet bird (Sun Conure). I know birds have very sensitive respiratory systems, and I wanted to see if anyone had any suggestions or thoughts on roasting with a bird in the house. I do much of my roasting outside with a heat gun, but some indoors with my modded IR2 and just recently using the Z&D inside a box with my vent sucking roasting smoke to the outside; I've considered a behmor, and may try it with a similar set-up. 
I just hate the idea of anything happening to our new birdy. Am I just being overly cautious, or is there a real risk?
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2) From: Joseph Robertson
Allon,
Your taking extra care as it is. If the birdy is affected his behavior will
show it. Vent like your doing and all should be ok.
"watch the birdy" <];^)
JoeR
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Allon Stern  wrote:
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3) From: John and Emma
Allon,
You are not being overly cautious. Every precaution you can take you must.
If you can close off the kitchen and keep your bird as far away as possible
while roasting that will also be a benefit to your new family addition. Just
remember during wild fires birds are usually one of the first to flee and
alert other animals of the encroaching danger. If your bird detects smoke it
will feel very restless and will get frantic. It will be very stressful for
the bird.
John H.

4) From: French Lewis
Hi Allon,
I have 2 pet birds, a Bourke Parakeet and a Cockateil.   I roast with an old model Hot Top in the garage, and, while the house gets a coffee aroma, the birds are fine (Bourke will be 7 in February and Cockateil will be 8 in June), they go to the vet for annual check ups and have been given a clean bill of health.
My guess is they would be OK provided the house doesn't get smoky, however, as I'm not an avian vet, my opinions/thoughts are just that.    You may want to google "Avian Veterinarian" and then email the question to them, or just ask your vet.
French
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5) From: R Nepsund
If Teflon gets heated to 700+ degrees it can give off fumes lethal to
birds in 24 hours and it's not good for you either.   I striped the
Teflon off of my bread maker that I use with my heat gun.
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Allon Stern  wrote:
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6) From: Starfinder Stanley
Allon, the short answer is that there is no need to worry about the coffee
smoke and your conure.  I'm visiting the inlaws in Key West right now, and
their bird's cage sits in the kitchen, literally next to the Wolf range.
They roast in the kitchen on a (gimpy!) IRoast2 with no venting beyond
switching on the oven hood.  Haven't killed the little vampire yet.  
Birds do have ultra-efficient respiratory systems (important to maintaining
consciousness while vigorously exercising at high altitudes!) so they are a
lot more sensitive to toxins, and it is definitely a good idea to avoid
fumes and any sorts of toxins.  Regular kitchen smoke is not a problem.  One
thing that is very important to avoid is overheating nonstick teflon (PTFE)
coated cookware, because if heated past about 450 F teflon releases toxic
fumes which WILL cause a lot of problems for birds.  Regular cooking on
teflon is not an issue, but if you put a pan on the stove and forget about
it, you could be in trouble.  I was just visiting a friend yesterday who
breeds dozens of species of birds, monkeys, and other exotic critters and
who cooks on teflon in his bird-filled home without batting an eye ---but
he's also a bit OCD, and would never, ever forget about a pan on the stove
for an instant).  Some people with birds ban teflon from their homes, which
might be overkill but protects the birds from mistakes.  I banned teflon
from my home because I think it leeches toxins into the food, but that's
another story.  Regardless, IMO you can't beat a good seasoned cast iron or
ceramic coated pan like Le Cruset, and if you can't handle the forearm
workout of cooking with the heavy kitchenware, there are some great new
ceramic-on-lightweight-metal non-sticks like the Greenpan with a purely
ceramic 'thermalon' coating that give you pretty good nonstick without the
toxic chemicals.  Don't be mislead by scanpan or swiss diamond pans; both
are teflon with adjunctive technologies that protect the PTFE nonstick
coating from severe scratching, which allows you to use metal tools in the
pans but does nothing to reduce the toxic aspects of the nonstick coating.
Bottom line, your coffee roasting ventilation system sounds completely
adequate, and I'd be more concerned about what else is in the kitchen vis a
vis teflon and cleaning chemicals....
Enjoy the conure, they're fun little birds when they're hand reared and well
socialized!
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Joseph Robertson wrote:
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7) From: Yakster
Good reply, Starfinder.  Might be something to post on the Forum for
posterity/future reference: http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/forum.-Chris
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Starfinder Stanley wrote:
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8) From: Allon Stern
On Dec 23, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Starfinder Stanley wrote:
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Thanks! I feel much better now :)
I hope it's not too hard to discourage him from "helping" me roast. Burning hot air and delicate feet/feathers won't mix, I'm sure....
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