HomeRoast Digest


Topic: Versalab M3 (7 msgs / 137 lines)
1) From: Phil Palmintere
Just out of curiosity, has anyone actually ever been around the
ultra-expensive Versalab M3 grinder?  Or used one?  Or tasted the results?
Or know someone who has?
Thanks
Phil
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

2) From: Allon Stern
On Dec 25, 2009, at 10:41 PM, Phil Palmintere wrote:
<Snip>
I've tasted the results.
It was fantastic, but then again, it wasn't a comparison test. All the espresso from that shop (now closed, but maybe open in a mobile form in the DC area) were fantastic. In fact, it was espresso from that shop that really opened my eyes to how good espresso COULD be, and got me started concentrating on my technique to make incredible shots of my own.
(The shop in question was Brew Mountain, now closed)
-
allon
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

3) From: Josh Schwartz
I've been around two friends' Versalabs.  Huge QC issues, but really
thoughtful design and grind quality/distribution when they're working.  When
I decided to take the plunge for an ultra high-end espresso grinder for my
house a couple years ago I thought a lot about the Versalab, but decided
that the QC issues (and the waiting list) were too much, and went for a
Compak K10 WBC instead.
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Phil Palmintere <
phil.palmintere> wrote:
<Snip>
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

4) From: raymanowen
I looked at the
Coffetime/uk site
re: the Versalab M3 coffee grinder. Bear in mind that the 17.5% VAT on the
$2k machine represents more money than I paid for the miKe-alerted Mazzer.
My opinions are thus prejudiced.
The Versalab M3 coffee grinder in its 2008 vintage makes a mockery of good
machine design. Allen head screws- Whoopie! They could have used Torx
security heads
The upper grinding burr, drive shaft and belt-driven sheave are supported
and located by just a single bearing. Very slight bearing wear will allow
the shaft to run loose and the driven burr to wobble on a shifting axis.
Even the Corvair cooling blower and its idler pulley hub used twin bearings.
When new, with zero wear, the bearing is probably able to fix the angularity
of the vertical drive shaft. It is true that the long term sum of the
angularity induced by the beans being chipped by the burrs is zero.
Unresolved moments produced by forces on the burrs perpendicular to the axis
of the shaft would be disastrous for single bearings.
Imposing radial force, axial thrust or angular moments on a single bearing
is what Deming would describe as failure engineering.
Scroll down the Coffeetime page for a close-up photo of the grounds that
look like they came out of a Kaleidoscope...
The VAT, or the Mazzer- is that the Question? No arguing with the cup, but
at $2 Big for the grinder, it's already Second Mortgage Season. Call it good
and hope nobody notices.
Cheers, Mabuhay, Iechyd da -RayO,aka Opa!
Got Grinder?
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

5) From: Rich
But, But, RayO  It's an Espresso Grinder made in Europe!  Think of the 
snob appeal.  Not only that its clearly overpriced.  You are not 
supposed to grind coffee with it anyway.  You put it on the counter and 
let everyone look at it.  Reminds me of an old British car or motor cycle.
raymanowen wrote:
<Snip>
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

6) From: Ira
At 12:17 PM 12/26/2009, you wrote:
<Snip>
While I don't think much of the Versalab design, it's actually a dual 
row bearing so it's quite a bit more stable than you're giving it 
credit for. Given that it's a few hundred revolutions per shot on a 
bearing that likely rated for at least 2000 RPM continuous for a year 
or more with a higher load than it likely gets grinding coffee, I'd 
expect it's your children or grandchildren that would have to be 
concerned about replacing the bearing, not you.
Not that I'd suggest a Versalab, and not that I think the design is 
good, I just don't think the bearing itself is actually the problem.
Ira
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20

7) From: Ira
At 12:49 PM 12/26/2009, you wrote:
<Snip>
As far as I know, it's made in Colorado.
Ira
Homeroast mailing list
Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20


HomeRoast Digest