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Topic: West Bend Poppery 2 (18 msgs / 429 lines)
1) From: Ryan M. Ward
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Ok, so I stopped by Goodwill today. Sitting on the shelf, starring me in th=
e face was a Westbend poppery 2 for $5.00. =
I
took it home and roasted about 2/3 to 3/4 (I know it was bound between
these two numbers) cup of beans (my kitchen scale is broken so I could
not weigh them). I found that it took almost 10 minutes to achieve a
light city roast (I killed the power when second crack began) and the
roasting was very uneven. =
Does any one have any experience
with Poppery 2 poppers? Does my experience sound typical? Is there a
good fix to this? I plan to try again later with less beans.
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2) From: William Copeland
Hi   I use a popcorn machine.  I put in 1/4 pound at a time.  The roasting
is fast, but even.  I turn the machine off a couple of times during the
roasting to prolong the roast to 8-9 minutes.  So, it would appear that
somewhere between my 1/4 pound and your 2/3 pound there are too many beans
to roast evenly.  Sounds like an experiment in the making.  Good Luck.
Bill Copeland.
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3) From: raymanowen
I Agree with Bill- I've used air poppers, including the W-B P-II:
"Does any one have any experience with Poppery 2 poppers?
[Probably the 3rd and final air popper I used. Don't try to drive with a
busted speedometer...]
"Does my experience sound typical?
[Yes- and I suspect you spent more time at the computer than roasting. Use
1/3 cup.]
"Is there a good fix to this?
[Yes again- roast more, make single small changes and note the results]
"I plan to try again later with less beans."
[Great- and might sit a little closer to your grammar book, next time it's
open]
Cheers, Mabuhay, Iechyd da -RayO, aka Opa!
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4) From: R Nepsund
When you start a new batch, turn it on and add beans until the beans
almost stop moving.   You can increase the amount you roast a bit by
tilting the popper by putting something underneath one side of it.
If it still can't roast darker then look into bypassing the internal
thermostat.   There are various tutorials on the web.  I'm currently
using a  mofidied poppery II.   You might also like to go google
"poppery mods".
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5) From: John and Emma
The info below is great advice. I used a PII until I bought my Behmor and
now only use it when beans are too small for the Behmor. I found this to be
the best method when I didn't have a scale. I always tilted the PII. I use
the handle of a wooden spoon to stir my beans from until they become light
enough through roasting that they move on their own. I tried to use 2/3 cup
and when I had a scale about 135g. The one thing I noticed is there was
variability in the amount of beans that was ideal. It depended on size of
beans, density etc.
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6) From: Joe Scarborough
My experience goes like this:
I use 1/2 to 2/3 cup of beans depending on which of the 3 poppers I use.
None of them is a true westbend II but they are all basically the same as
the PII.
The differences I see between the poppers I have are that one gets hotter
than the rest and the other 2 have stronger fans.
With the 2 with the stronger fans I let them go about 16 minutes and then
shut them down. I use the larger amount of beans in these to help bring up
the temperature. It is difficult to hear 1st crack in these machines but I
can tell by the color and surface texture of the beans that they are "done"
Of course I have to use a soup can or glass chimney on them to keep the
beans from flying out.
Hope this helps
Joe Scarborough
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7) From: Ryan M. Ward
I will try this. I did find several tutorials on moding a westbend p2, some more elaborate than others.
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8) From: Ryan M. Ward
"Great- and might sit a little closer to your grammar book, next time it's open"
Hmmmm... should I comment on the irony of this sentence? Nah... You seem like a very smart person to me, somehow I think you said this on purpose. If you said this on purpose and I comment on the comment's irony then I risk looking like a fool who "does not get it." If I don't comment on it(and you worded it ironically), then I seem like a push over. Now if you did not say it on purpose and I comment on it, then I appear snooty, (but I retain some position for flanking the attack on my understanding of grammar). If I don't comment on it then I suppose I only lose position as my understanding of grammar has been publicly called into question. If I acknowledge the comment but not directly call out its irony, the ambiguity of how I am interpreting your intentions saves me from appearing to be both obtuse and a push over(which takes care of the more subtle nature of your comment). Further, I can take care of the questioning of my grammatical knowledge by simply saying that I don't watch my grammar when typing emails, but thanks for taking the time to point out the flaws in my email writing.
"Yes- and I suspect you spent more time at the computer than roasting. Use 1/3 cup."
1/3 cup did not work. P.S. How much time do you spend roasting vs. on the computer? It only takes me about 8 minutes to roast coffee, I do this about 2 or 3 times a day (currently while I am learning the process). It take me several weeks and 2-8 hours a day to write a piece of software. So your assumption is correct, but I wonder why it is relevant to my question.
"Probably the 3rd and final air popper I used. Don't try to drive with a busted speedometer..."
Driving with a busted speedometer can be fun though...
"Yes again- roast more, make single small changes and note the results"
Thanks for I'll keep this in mind. 
Thanks Rayo your advice has been very helpful and enlightening. I will try harder to watch my grammar in the future.
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9) From: Ryan M. Ward
Do you get an inconsistency in color?
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10) From: Ryan M. Ward
"Yes- and I suspect you spent more time at the computer than roasting. Use 1/3 cup."
Oh, by the way. The fact that you use the word 'spent' instead of 'spend' suggests to me that you mean one of two things:
1) I did this while running the machine and trying to roast coffee: I did not use my computer at all, I was watching the roast
2) I spent more time on the computer trying to solve the problem the attempting to roast more coffee and get it right:
You are correct. After trying about 4 times, I decided that trying to reinvent the wheel was not efficient and that if this popper has a proper technique of use for maximizing success, somebody has likely figured it out. I did the reasonable thing to do which was to ask the list which is supposedly here to help people like me who are starting out and lack the knowledge of those who have been home (or commercial) roasting for years.
Thought I would clear that up for the record.
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11) From: Lynne
hahahahaha...
I love ya, Rayo, but he's gotcha here...
hahahaha
Lynne
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12) From: Ryan M. Ward
he he he, Rayo, I hope you know that I wrote this out of respect(If I did not respect you I would not have wasted my time responding). I had fun writing this email.
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13) From: raymanowen
Something that struck me as humorous and my reaction to it, borders on the
proscription against driving while conducting a cell phone conference or
texting. The hang-up being preceded by a CR-unch!
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14) From: raymanowen
Leaving a little to the reader's imagination or extrapolation, I didn't add
"Yes- and [having read the original post] I suspect..." to my reply. -ro
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15) From: Ryan M. Ward
You really should write a book someday, if you have not already. I'd read it.
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16) From: raymanowen
"You really should write a book someday, if you have not already. I'd read
it."
[There's #1]
You have no idea just how much I hate to read books that rehash what others
say. I wouldn't want to inflict that on anybody. Except for the Bible,
they're already outdated by the copyright date. Dad already wrote one on
Spur Gears- probably won't go out of date.
I guess blogging would keep me current on a crop that depends on virtual
gleaners to harvest, but I'd be sad to abandon all the web offset press,
 process camera and color scanner equipment I used to repair.
Commingle Airstream coffee/ espresso shop/ roastery with Wi-Fi blogging to
keep current. Visit Rest Stops on I-70 and I-25. That could get out of hand,
like, on Day 1.
Also got radical ideas for espresso brewers and roasters. Grinder ideas
aren't practical unless I can build a stiff frame and gear motor that
doesn't weigh a hundred pounds. Investment cast aluminum? Home use home
use... must fit under cabinets. Not Fire Hydrant!
Cheers, Mabuhay, Iechyd da -RayO, aka Opa!
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17) From: Ryan M. Ward
"You have no idea just how much I hate to read books that rehash what others say. I wouldn't want to inflict that on anybody."
Who said anything about rehashing what anyone else said(to a large degree I agree with you, at least with pop culture books. I can't go to the movies anymore without feeling very frustrated and ripped off because I get so tired of the cliches and old formulas used over and over with no new ideas mixed in)? Although re-examining old ideas in modern context is never a bad idea either. This is how society progresses. 
Besides, I am talking about writing your own ideas. After all, somebody had to write something original in history, there was a first book after all- an original idea can happen again. I am sure if anyone can do it you can.
"Also got radical ideas for espresso brewers and roasters."
Now that's what I'm talking about!
Oh well, just a thought. Feel free to let it float away in the wind.
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18) From: Robert Yoder
"Persist in old ways; expect new results - suborn Insanity..."
Here's a new result:  I read the quote as saying that expecting old ways to produce changes causes (suborns) insanity (in another).  I think you mean that persistence in old ways while expecting new results IS insane.  Suborn is not used correctly. The ellipsis is also misused, unless there is more to the quote which has been left out.
That's what my morning coffee produced today!
Happy Roasting,
robert  
 
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