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Topic: Bottomless and feckless (30 msgs / 620 lines)
1) From: Samuel Goldberger
There is an electrical engineering concept I find most useful in a variety of contexts, called the "signal to noise ratio." It is used to measure the efficiency of information transmission systems, especially audio and video systems. But it can usefully be applied to language as well. The higher the signal to noise ratio (also known as s/n) the more efficient the transmission.
To achieve a high s/n ratio in written communication, it's important to ask oneself not just what do I want to say, but how well I say it? Did I choose the right words? Is my sentence structure clear? Is what I am saying logical? Is it true? Is someone else going to understand it? Ideally, one also asks oneself, "Is what I am saying relevant to the conversation? Will others be interested? Am I moving the discussion forward?"
We are often urged to "love the sinner and hate the sin." Whether hate is the proper term is arguable. But it is fair in this case to point out that the s/n ratio of many of Ray's communications is notably low. They often give the sense of unedited expostulations, often of an uncomfortably personal nature. They use peculiar language, are fraught with obscure references, and require a great deal of work to understand; at the end of the day, one often finds that there is relatively little content that's relevant to the conversation. The shame of it is that Ray is clearly a capable, creative person with an enormous array of experiences who loves coffee and roasting. But because the s/n ratio is so low, he ends up doing himself, and his readers, an injustice and causing unnecessary frustration. 
So in the spirit of the bumper sticker "bark less, wag more," may I suggest: "talk less, think more." 
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Samuel Goldberger, Ph.D.
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2) From: Allon Stern
On May 6, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Samuel Goldberger wrote:
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you're approaching the shannon limit there....
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3) From: Peter Louton
Hmm, I don't know, maybe a carbon-fiber BP might be a good thing for the kids of today and get them to drink more espresso.  Maybe we need a "Pimp my Machine" Contest.  I could add some multi-colored LED's to my carbon-fiber BP and as the time ticks they could change color as the shot is being pulled to know when it is done.  Hmmm, I'll get right on it
"TL, TM" - S. Goldberger
Peter
Roasted 4 different 1/2 pound batches and am really liking the Kenyan Peaberry (FC) and the Sumatran (C++) a lot, so much that I haven't tried the other two a Sulawesi and Brazilian.  I can't taste everything that Tom described in them, but I did get 2 out of the four flavors he described 
Peter
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On May 6, 2010 1:06 PM, Allon Stern <allon> wrote: 
On May 6, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Samuel Goldberger wrote:
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> So in the spirit of the bumper sticker "bark less, wag more," may I suggest: "talk less, think more." 
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> Samuel Goldberger, Ph.D.
you're approaching the shannon limit there....
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4) From: Samuel Goldberger
Not a bad idea. However, I can assure you with complete certainty that this would never be approved by the International Confraternity of Coffee Pimps (aka Ay See See Pee), as we reserve carbon fiber and LED's for our machines themselves. 
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5) From: sci
RayO may have a low s/n value, but there's entertainment value and he gives
this list some flair.
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Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:52:22 -0700
From: Samuel Goldberger 
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bottomless and feckless
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There is an electrical engineering concept I find most useful in a variety
of contexts, called the "signal to noise ratio." It is used to measure the
efficiency of information transmission systems, especially audio and video
systems. But it can usefully be applied to language as well. The higher the
signal to noise ratio (also known as s/n) the more efficient the
transmission.
To achieve a high s/n ratio in written communication, it's important to ask
oneself not just what do I want to say, but how well I say it? Did I choose
the right words? Is my sentence structure clear? Is what I am saying
logical? Is it true? Is someone else going to understand it? Ideally, one
also asks oneself, "Is what I am saying relevant to the conversation? Will
others be interested? Am I moving the discussion forward?"
We are often urged to "love the sinner and hate the sin." Whether hate is
the proper term is arguable. But it is fair in this case to point out that
the s/n ratio of many of Ray's communications is notably low. They often
give the sense of unedited expostulations, often of an uncomfortably
personal nature. They use peculiar language, are fraught with obscure
references, and require a great deal of work to understand; at the end of
the day, one often finds that there is relatively little content that's
relevant to the conversation. The shame of it is that Ray is clearly a
capable, creative person with an enormous array of experiences who loves
coffee and roasting. But because the s/n ratio is so low, he ends up doing
himself, and his readers, an injustice and causing unnecessary frustration.
So in the spirit of the bumper sticker "bark less, wag more," may I suggest:
"talk less, think more."
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Samuel Goldberger, Ph.D.
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6) From: Justin Schwarz
I'm willing to bet he is calculating the S/N ratio of this thread
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7) From: Allon Stern
On May 6, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Justin Schwarz wrote:
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Well, we're off to a good start with the N part.
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8) From: Michael Mccandless
2nd that.
Those who are complaining seem to be completely lacking the sense of humor
required to decrypt RayO's comms.
McSparky - Who thinks more people should be comfortable with using a
portafilter naked
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9) From: Wally Merrin
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So are we to assume you are ok with editing other people's posts so  
their words are changed to say something completely different?  That  
is what started this, and it isn't the first time it has happened.   
There have been several occasions where quotes were altered in order  
to establish a straw man argument.  That may be humor to you, but to  
me it is dishonesty.
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10) From: Michael Mccandless
Take it with a grain of salt - or use your delete key.
I know what to expect when reading RayO's often tongue-in-cheek stuff - I
try to take it as intended.
Life's too short to nit-pick.
An occasional chuckle is good for the soul.
McSparky
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11) From: miKe mcKoffee
Indeed, and when using a nekkid portafilter naked you'll indeed work to
improve your technique to remedy hot channeling spritzes!
miKe 
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12) From: Kris McN
I'm with you, McSparky. I'd rather read Ray-O's idiot savant poetry than
pompous windbaggery any day!
xxoo *sparklehearts*
Kris McN, Ph.D.
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13) From: Samuel Goldberger
Cheap shot-ery rarely prevails against windbaggery, real or imagined. 
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14) From: Ryan M. Ward
I am so not getting into the middle of this. 
All I have to say is I really enjoy this list and think you are all really cool and intriguing people- Ray-O included. Not that I agree or disagree with anything in particular, I will keep that to myself. 
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15) From: Sandy Andina
someone mentioned a carbon-fiber portafilter---isn't that material a lousy conductor of heat, and would make an underextracted shot (if it survived the temps)? I have some carbon-fiber pens, which are cool. OTOH, I think a carbon-fiber shell would look fierce on an espresso machine.....although it'd cost more than the machine itself.  (Talking about the stuff embedded into a resin, of course).
3:20 am???!!!--uh-oh, gotta start roasting decaf again. G'night!
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16) From: raymanowen
Have you heard about the cavalcade of flavor and aroma of the Ethiopia
Dry-Process Sidamo MC Decaf?  A later Sidamo WP FTO Shoye has arrived, but
we like Door #1- Fabulous and it's still on the offer list.
I digress-
Somebody was watching Bill O'Reilly on March 22 when, according to my notes,
he rolled out a Word of the Day that resulted in my getting a Violation and
Summons for Feckless Writing.
Uncle!  You Win! In the future, I'll put more feck in my writing.
I still don't have any gold stars, so until I can fulfill the backlog I owe
Daniel, take a number.
And don't be such a *dx/ dt*.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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17) From: Scott Miller
I like coffee!
This morning? Brasil, but I digress.
cheers,
Scott Miller, B.S.
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18) From: Tom Ulmer
I am reminded of Peter Gabriel's "Signal to Noise" repeatedly in this
thread. Seems its crescendo will be playing in my mind for yet another day.
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19) From: raymanowen
" [carbon fiber] a lousy conductor of heat, and would make an underextracted
shot (if it survived the temps)?"
Well, my Capresso has an investment-cast aluminum portafilter body, that
conducts heat far better than even Marine brass. That has no effect on the
extraction, which has already taken place in the filter basket.
The 58mm portafilter handles have two ears to lock into the group. At 9 bar
brew pressure, each ear has to support about 271 pounds of force. The three
ears of the 53mm Capresso pf each have to support 151 pounds force, at the
same brew pressure.
It is what it is, with some advantages but horrible filter shapes, something
besides the machine design controls shot quality.  With pre-heated reservoir
water, even the wimpy heater can maintain the brew temperature. Pressure
depends only on the (adequate) pump capacity and the packing density of the
grounds.  The latter depends on grind quality and packing technique.
A box of Grape=Nuts says "Product sold by weight, not volume. Some settling
may occur during shipment."  I force the settling in the pf basket by
holding it against the vibrating porta filter fork on the BUFF grinder as it
continues to run after grinding the 14g of beans. Probably use less than 10
pounds force on the tamper.  Just even and level the top of the "puck."
Cheers, Mabuhay, Iechyd da -RayO, aka Opa!
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20) From: Ryan M. Ward
"3:20 am???!!!--uh-oh, gotta start roasting decaf again. G'night!" 
No way! Decaf is cheating!! You gotta go for the Caffeine!
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21) From: Brian Kamnetz
I still chuckle every now and then when my mind wanders to Ray's
Glorious People's Orange heat guns. And also his Mazzer "silver fire
plug" grinder.
Brian
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22) From: Phil Palmintere
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23) From: Allon Stern
On May 7, 2010, at 4:21 AM, Sandy Andina wrote:
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A lousy conductor of heat wouldn't necessarily affect the shot temp too badly; a lousy conductor of heat has another name - insulator.
It wouldn't keep the shot temp stable by being the same temperature as the grouphead, but it also wouldn't pull that heat away from the water as it extracts.
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24) From: Ryan M. Ward
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25) From: BSGarley
Apparently the 3rd derivative of position at Airbus is called French.
Bruce Garley

26) From: raymanowen
Let me try and add a little Feck to this feckless thread. (Thank you Mr.
O'Reilly- "Don't be 'Feckless' if you wish to opine...") I'll try, and I do.
The Costa Rica El Puente Tarrazu Caturra was about 21 hours post-roast when
my Celtic Critic accused me of trying to slip it past her this morning as
much too juvenile, compared to the roast tailings from as old as 308 hrs
post-roast.
Not!  While the CREPTC had a short rest, the flavor was dynamic and
blossomed on the tongue. And blossomed yet more and more- a parade of
still-muted flavors.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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27) From: Sandy Andina
For some reason, my inbox (in Mac Mail for OS X) has the sender correctly listed as Ray, but the header in the mail itself is listed as Art Menius, who posts to the Folk Alliance listserv and is in my address book.  (AFAIK, he's not a home roaster). Weird.  My astrology-believing friends might blame Mercury retrograde (which sounds like a car parked uphill but left in neutral, or a Ford Motor Co. vehicle with only a reverse gear), which is supposed to negatively impact both communications and transportation (come to think of it, had car problems too).
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28) From: Sandy Andina
What's even weirder is that the two different listservs are on two different e-mail accounts!
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29) From: Martin Maney
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 05:33:07PM -0700, Wally Merrin wrote:
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Mama Mia, now that's a straw man!  Anybody got any Alka-Seltzer?
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Just to be clear, if Ray mangles others' words in a serious discussion,
then yeah, that wastes everyone's time.  This was about *THE* CHURCH*
*OF* *THE* *GREEN* *BEAN*, an imaginary congregation of obsessive
coffee homeroasters.  It's frickin' humor *all* the way down.
Chastising someone for loose quoting in a laughter-filled thread says
more about the humorless commenter than the misquoter... and is,
frankly, stupid.  If you just can't stand Ray - and I can sort of
understand that, he's often pretty... opaque - then learn to use your
"next" key; if the irritation is really bad, learn to use your mail
tool's filtering capabilities.
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30) From: Ryan M. Ward
Well, to speak to Ray's defense, he did use standard notation to indicate that he had changed the quote:
"...according to the tenets of the Church of the Green Bean, as they have
been revealed to [*$]"IE the square braces. 
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