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Topic: Compak vs Macap vs Rocky Grinders (14 msgs / 295 lines)
1) From: John and Emma
Feedback on grinders?
I have heard many talk of using the Rocky on this list, know there is lots
of praise for the Super Jolly and Major. How does the Compak K3 compare to
the Macap M4 (similar prices in Canada) and the Rocky (cheapest of the bunch
in Canada)? I have not heard much from people on any of the Compak or Macap
Grinders? Are these just not a popular?
John H.
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2) From: Derek Bradford
I don't know about a comparison, but I've used the Macap M4 for a year and
thought it was a good grinder.  Mine was stepless (I'm not sure the Rocky is
stepless, but I think it can be modified to be stepless).  I'm using a
Cimbali Max Hybrid now, and it is an improvement over the M4.
--Derek
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3) From: John Borella
I'd add the Baratza Vario to your list. Grind quality of a Super Jolly for 
much less then the M4. I had an M4 for a couple of years & it didn't compare 
to an SJ.
John B.

4) From: Ira
At 12:03 PM 5/14/2010, you wrote:
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I have a doserless Rocky for drip and a Macap M4D for espresso. I'd 
not recommend the Macap. If you want in depth knowledge about 
espresso grinders and you're willing to spend that kind of money 
you're probably better off reading home-barista.com. The Vario seems 
to be much liked as an entry level espresso grinder.
Ira
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5) From: Barry Luterman
I haven't had a M4 but remember people complaining about it's tendency to
clump.
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6) From: Mike Koenig
John,
I've got a Macap M4 stepless, with the doser, and I like it a lot.  I bought
it because a home-barista.com review concluded that the grind quality
was equivalent to a Mazzer Mini, and it looks better on my counter than
the Mazzer (no cord sticking out the side).  The only complaint is that the
tray under the doser is a bit small.
I've seen complaints about the M4D (the digital version) of clumping and
other quirks, but I have no such problems.
--mike
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7) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
I think Macaps are very nice, but if you want doserless I can't 
recommend them. And their doserless automatic is goofy. We wanted to 
carry them but don't like the chute design. For doser I still like 
the Mazer but I use the Compak K3 and have grown to like it. 
Adjustment can be very slight movement, but once you get used it, 
very reproducible.
Frankly, I have come to think that the best grinder improvment isnt 
the grinder. It is having a small shop vac by the grinder! I pull an 
SO shot, suck everything out, and can switch coffees easily. 
Sometimes I need to compare 3 or 4  blends or SO side by side. Keeps 
the whole area so clean too...
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-Tom
"Great coffee comes from little roasters" - Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting
               Thompson & Maria -http://www.sweetmarias.com     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
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8) From: miKe mcKoffee
Unfortunately "being equal grind quality to a Mazzer Mini" is not
necessarily considered a good thing by many these days.http://www.home-barista.com/advice/which-grinder-has-best-bang-for-buck-t14244-20.html#p170699
While the MM is stepless and hence more adjustable, bottom line Rocky is
capable of producing better shots. OTOH Rocky isn't nearly as consistent in
shot quality as a Mazzer SJ or Major. Entry level if not Rocky I'd look
strongly at the Vario.
miKe
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9) From: raymanowen
The Major (Silver Fireplug; BUFF) burrs do wonderful things to coffee beans
once again after 5 years' use, renewed a couple of months ago.  When I first
got it, the maintenance tag said they'd been in use for 10 years- I presume
at *$. There's a story in there somewhere.
(Can they even access the burrs in their present push-button pop machines-
and would they?) Employees in the SCAA, SCAB or SCAM union punch in, push
buttons, make change, punch out and cash their check. Seems like little else
was interesting to the majority in Denver town when I was seeking a reason
to enjoy espresso.
Why seek to enjoy espresso? As I said before, I was associated with a fellow
that won the bid on an equipment lot from the SS United States in dry
dock...
"Hey, Ray- What do you know about this espresso machine?
"Nuthin-' but I can count- it has 5 or 6 stations, and looks like it came
from a Tijuana Cat House, with all the black and red Naugahyde and gold
(polished Brass?) pieces...  Thus started my quest to find out how Real
Espresso should taste.
Looks like SCAA might as well be SCCA, as much as they do for the commercial
cup.  Almost made "Commercial" a four-letter word, instead of "Artisan" the
bean deserves.
In my opinion, the Grinder is Everything.  Any real coffee shop ought to
keep a stack of new burrs like the Cincinnati Kid had a stack of chips at
the table in Las Vegas.
Who promotes the palaver about coffee clumps surviving the packing tamp?
Stand up and be counted. So coffee clumps have more structural integrity
than the buildings in San Francisco in 1906, Philippines 1968, or Haiti more
recently. By comparison, the raw coffee clumps out of the new burrs in the
Mazzer are demolished by the Richter 10.0 vibration and tamping force that
resolves to a tri-axial force by Poisson's ratio.
The compression due to the axial tamping force causes transverse forces that
tend to seal the puck in the filter basket. Otherwise, the brewing water
would flow around the puck instead of through it, at reduced pressure and
extraction and little crema formation.
Conversely, a wine bottle cork screw can extract the cork when it's screwed
in less than half-way. Poisson again. Screw a wood screw into the cork, and
you're never pulling it out intact. P.
So the grinder makes clumps. They can't survive packing and tamping- I have
some extra sharp Cheddar and Irish Dubliner that might go well with your
spur gear sound.
Cheers, Mabuhay, Iechyd da -RayO, aka Opa!
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10) From: John and Emma
Thanks for all the replies.
I am surprised Tom was the only one who mentioned the Compak? miKe it is
amazing what you had said about the Rocky. 
John H.
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11) From: miKe mcKoffee
Not really. In the big hitter "Battle of the Titans" grinder shootout some
extreme Home-Barista members did a couple years ago Rocky TIED the Robur
overall in head to head three way blind shot taste tests. The Mazzer Mini
faired terribly loosing every round...
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12) From: John and Emma
miKe, 
Do you have a link to this "Battle of the Titans"? I did a search and could
not find it?
John H

13) From: John Borella
http://www.home-barista.com/reviews/titan-grinder-project-t4126.html

14) From: Phil Palmintere
Just curious -- does anyone on the list have the Versalab M3 or has anyone
tried espresso where the M3 was used to grind the beans?
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