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Topic: Technivorm KBTS vs Zojirushi (4 msgs / 122 lines)
1) From: Ross
One more opinion: I don't comment here often, but I get tired of the 
Techivorm hype, I have used it.   I have been roasting coffee now for 5 
years.  I am an amateur barista and a coffee lover.  I have tried just about 
all the various brewing techniques and electric gadgets.  My favorite 
between the Technivorm and the Zojirushi is the Zojirushi by a length.  If 
you factor in cost it wins by a lap.
I have measured the brewing water temp of both and found maybe 1 degree 
difference.  However the Zojirushi has a very good quality  insulated brew 
basket and you have infinite brew time adjustments controlled by when you 
place the stainless pot under the basket.  Much better than trying to use 
the crude slider on  the flimsy Technivorm brew basket.   The Zojirushi is a 
very nice machine.  After I tried it I gave the Technivorm away and bought a 
spare Zojirushi in case they ever stop making them.
Wishing you all good coffee,
Ross

2) From: Dave
That's the first mention I've seen of the zojirushi. Any more info? model?
Thanks!
Dave
Some days...
It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Ross  wrote:
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3) From: Martin Maney
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 04:51:35PM -0700, Dave wrote:
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It's not hard to find Zojirushi's website, though it was more of a
challenge to unearth what seems it must be the model in question:
 http://www.zojirushi.com/ourproducts/breadmakers/ec_bd15.htmlMaybe if the webfolks hadn't filed that page under "breadmakers"...
Anyway, Amazon knows about it, and the reviews seem to be divided into
two hostile camps.  The majority love their Zorishu, but there must
have been at least one really really bad batch of them or something,
'cause there are 'way too many reviews of articles that literally fell
apart.  There was one great (positive) review that discussed something
I'd never noticed (haven't used a normal autodrip machine in literally
decades) about having the not particularly insulated hot water feed
tube run through the cold water tank.  Makes some of the things I've
read recently about using warm-to-hot water in the feed tank make a lot
more sense...
Anyway, in light of the apparent QC issues, if I were in the market for
a drip machine with a nice thermal carafe and all that, this would be
one to look at.  But I think I'd forget about the possible savings from
online shopping in favor of a local retailer in case I got one of the
fall-apart ones. :-/
-- 
"What's so funny?  That I'm sitting on a deserted beach at night,
nibbling at gourmet meals, and rereading every book I've ever loved?
Can you think of anything more worthwhile?"  -- Michael Flynn
Michael, you forgot to bring the *coffee*!  -- /me
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4) From: raymanowen
"I gave the Technivorm away [Pferdescheiße!] and bought a
spare Zojirushi in case they ever stop making them."
 [What are you afraid of? The Zo is just a machine- so are you really sure
the damn Zo is going to break? How many spare cars do you keep, since
they're more likely to break due to the tyranny of numbers in the complex
machines and which one do you think you'll be giving away?]
Isn't reality Hell, especially when you just want to treat Sweet Maria's
beans right? It was like crossing the Great Flavor Divide when I got the
TechniVorm several thousand brew cycles ago. No part of it has ever failed.
I would quickly shift to the stove top Moka pot, Vietnamese filter pot,
Turkish, Greek or Cuban brewing style if it did fail. Which do you favor?
The Crapesso already lived up to its assigned moniker. Now I know how not to
break it and still keep the "rebuilt" machine pristine and clean.
When you decide you want a 210 second brew extraction time, when would you
shove the pot back in the Zo? Is it too late if the basket starts to
overflow before the brew time completes? Seems like it could be the Broom
Scene all over again in the Sorcerer's Apprentice if you try to stop the
percolating mid-cycle.
Tell us more.
Cheers, Mabuhay, Iechyd da -RayO, aka Opa!
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