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Topic: bring back green beans (25 msgs / 695 lines)
1) From: Bernard
  Another  2 cents worth.........I had no problem in Atlanta with 2 
kilos of green beans obtained "farm gate" in Chiapas, Mexico several 
years ago.  Be up front with them about what they are.  Next to me in 
another line an elderly lady in a wheel chair was being given a rough 
time about some home cooked item she was bringing back from somewhere in 
the Caribbean!  Who knows what a particular inspector  feels about 
something? Since they are in-charge we are in no position to argue.   
Bernard Gerrard
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2) From: miKe mcKoffee
Yeah, the fact that they're Government Employees paid by OUR tax dollars we
definitely should have no say in the policies or how they're enforced... 
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3) From: rosevilleroaster@aol.com
Total  bullshit! Read the Constitution, if you bave one, 1st amendment,  
freedom of speech, U moron!
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4) From: Rich
And, they are members of the Ruling Class and you are a member of the 
Country Class.  Open your mouth except to answer a question and you will 
remember it.  Don't forget to say "sir" either.
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5) From: Hank Perkins
As a frequent business traveler all I can  sat about the Thousands Standing Around is AMEN. 
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6) From: Doug Hoople
I treat customs inspectors with respect and open the conversation with them
on a note of friendship. I've never suffered high-handed behavior and have
always been treated fairly.
Doug
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7) From: raymanowen
Doug, your post outlines the total insecurity endemic to Homeland Security
and TSA, a proliferation of total and complete uselessness. Under no
circumstances should anyone be able to gain the confidence of any security
person.
That's the worst situation I can imagine, and if you can do it at will, use
common sense and start to fear for your welfare and those around you. You
might spill some coffee...
I thought I'd try for a security inspector's job at DIA, but the farther I
got into it, the more it looked to be like a *Three Stooges* show. I was
supposed to help the build-out of the baggage system. They were totally
bereft of any safety concerns. People were injured and died on the job- that
spoke volumes about their Keystone Cops Crisis Management.
I refused on two occasions to volunteer for a late-term abortion- Maybe I am
a Scheißkopf, but I won't work for one. The one understands the other too
well and it's a bad deal. Told TSA to KMA. Don't think they got it, but I'm
sure enjoying learning from coffee misteaks still.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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Persist in old ways; expect new results - enjoy the same old Insanity...
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8) From: John A C Despres
Coming back from Mexico recently where I had visited a plantation, I came
back through the agriculture line as I had been on a farm. I had my "import"
form all made out with the green coffee as one item on the list.
First off, it was a very short line - only me, I breezed past everyone else.
The gaurd looked over my list, but was more interested in what kind of farm
I visited.
"A coffee plantation"
"Okay. Did you see any animals there"
"Yes, horses, maybe three"
"Any cows, goats or pigs?"
"Nope. A couple chickens, though."
"Ah, that's fine. Thank you, sir and welcome back. Have a nice day."
"Thank you. You too."
That was easy. What coffee?
John
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9) From: Hank Perkins
 I have been flying for 30 years and don't consider myself to be a
road warrior but a frequent traveler.  Today I drive on any trip where
the distance is less than 12 hours and time allows.  So far this year
I have 12 trips via air travel and approximately 50 nights in hotel
rooms.  I am a fat middle aged white guy with no facial hair.
My dealings with Customs agents, agriculture inspectors, and
immigration officials have all been positive professional experiences.
TSA is another matter.  at least once every 10 flights I get pulled
out of line and given the business.  In the last 10 years I have seen
an Arab pulled out of line for a luggage search once, 3 months ago.  I
have been treated badly by TSA many times and can tell stories that
are quite embarrassing.  I have tried being friendly & courteous and
only speaking when spoken to.  The latter has served me better.  This
year I have forgotten to pull my liquids out of the bag twice, they
didn't catch it either time.  There are TSA agents who are
professional but I can tell horror stories about other TSA agents who
think they are in the SS.  The problem I see here is they answer to no
one.
I would be less concerned about Customs agents than TSA Agents.
Quantas will help you with the forms, be sure to fill them out
truthfully and completely.  Plan plenty of time when you get back to
LAX.  My last trip from Australia, 18 months ago we had 4.5 hours
between flights at LAX.  We never sat down and almost missed our
connecting flight.  The wife and I were dealing with TSA for
approximately 90 minutes of the 4.5 hours (it was bad).  My advice,
PACK THEM IN YOUR CHECKED LUGGAGE!!  I would not expect TSA to see
green beans very often and things that they don't see often are what
causes them issues.
You will love Australia.  The people are great, food is unequaled, and
the coffee is fantastic.  It is one of my favorite countries to visit.
 Be sure to drink espresso drinks down under.  The coffee there has
strong European roots.  We were there for 14 days and I did not have a
bad meal.
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10) From: Starfinder Stanley
My brother in law is an Australian Quarantine Officer (that's what they call
their ag inspectors, the equivalent of APHIS here).  Their purpose, and the
purpose of APHIS in the US, is to safeguard their regions against exotic
pests of any and all kinds ---bugs, plants, animals, fungi, bacterial,
viral, etc.  As long as you don't try to sneak stuff past them, they will
treat you with respect, and will simply tell you what items you can and
can't bring in.  If you have the misfortune to clear customs in a
lower-volume region used for training (like Cairns), you will be subjected
to a much more thorough inspection.  It is always best to clear customs in
Sydney, which has such a high volume of passengers that they aren't going to
spend more time messing with you than is strictly necessary to get the job
done.  Often, Ag is much quicker than customs.  I learned about the green
coffee import license when I brought 25 pounds of green down for my father,
and wasn't allowed to bring it in ---but they were very nice about it, and
held the coffee for me while I decided whether I wanted to pay to get the
license.  When I didn't, they were willing to let me take the coffee back
with me to the states, as long as I was on a direct flight out of the
country.
TSA, on the other hand, I must agree, is an utter sham, a window dressing of
security that seems designed mostly to inconvenience the traveling public
enough to give them the false sense that they must be safe.  All I can say
is that it is a good thing that most terrorist-minded people are none too
bright, because I can think of a good dozen ways to sneak lethal weaponry
past the checkpoints.  The liquids ban is truly silly.  Last year they
protected the world from the imminent threat of my quart of fine sheep's
milk yogurt.  And I dread the day they try to make me stand in a backscatter
radiation machine (those hold your hands out and stand still for 7 seconds
cubicles).... my "hell no" is going to make that trip a real headache.
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11) From: Hank Perkins
After working on radar programs for the military, and my experiences
with the TSA there is no way I will get in one of those human
microwaves.
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12) From: Martin Maney
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 01:53:31AM -0600, raymanowen wrote:
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I'm sure you don't mean that.  If that were true then they should
simply not let anyone board or exit any plane at any time.  Letting
someone past *means* they've "gained the confidence" of the
inspector(s).
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Don't let the fearmongers manipulate you for their own purposes.  They
want you scared, because scared people are more easily duped.  Fear is
the mind-killer...
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Yep, security theater.  It has been ever thus.
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To be alive, is that not to be
again and again surprised?  -- Nicholas van Rijn
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13) From: Joseph Robertson
They are not gaining my confidence. Two years after 9/11 I boarded a flight
out of Kalamazoo Mi. for PDX and home.
Let me back up a bit. When I awoke at 2am to leave the house by 3am I
intentionally tossed my two very nice folding craftsman box type knives into
my check on to avoid problems at the gate.
Well a week later at home I went through my check on bags looking for my box
razor knifes. Not to be found. I figured they took them.
Then on a fluke I checked my carry on and what do you know, there they were
safe and sound. I had unknowingly carried on two lethal tools used to bring
down planes 2 years before. Gaining my confidence? Not now, or ever.
You want my trust. Don't make these kind of mistakes cause your looking at
my shampoo and toothpaste and computer wall warts.
Joe
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14) From: Rich
The TSA came into existence because the Govt. was issuing security 
regulations by the ream and the airlines could neither comply or afford 
the cost.  The customer was not going to stand for the ticket increase 
either.  So, after the liberal application of steel engravings of 
Franklins congress decided to create another big, bloated bureaucracy, 
The TSA.
As they say, the rest is history.
If you are interested in efficient airline safety that works then take a 
real hard look at El Al.  They have a very good program as they have not 
had any airliners experience security issues.  But the Israeli security 
techniques can not be employed here by the U.S. carriers.
The TSA is just another Govt. program that is designed to make most 
people feel good by severely inconveniencing them.  It is a joke.
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15) From: Hank Perkins
I was on my way to DC on 9-11 (with my knife in my pocket).  Had we
not been diverted to the ground I would have landed within minutes of
the plane hitting the Pentagon.
For the next 2 years I carried the same briefcase when I traveled.
After 2 years it broke and I cleaned it out.  I had inserted some foam
in the bottom to cushion my laptop.  I found a leatherman under the
foam that had been in there for years.  How may trips had I made?
somewhere between 15 and 30.  So potentially 60 passes through
security.  2 of the trips were international.  On both International
trips I was pulled out of line a given the through search.  Who knows
how many domestic trips where this occurred.
On one of the domestic trips I was flying out of Nashville TN where I
had a Agent go off on me (my daughter was with me, she was 18 at the
time ).  He had me go into the glass booth and pull my pants down.
Yea, you got it, daughter standing there.  And the Leatherman was in
the bag.
This is why I drive as much as I do.  I have a poor opinion of TSA and
Homeland Security.
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16) From: Rich
Homeland Security is an oxymoron and when it was originally announced I 
mentally pictured a box on a German org chart from the 1930s.  That has 
to be the most tone deaf name for a Govt. Bureaucracy I have ever heard.
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17) From: g paris
TSA sucks big time!!
do not show them anything you do not want taken away! priod.
they are SS, dump and that is all I have to say.
drop your stuff into your checked luggage and have a merry trip.
g
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18) From: Frank Parth
Hank,
Like you I travel a lot (often over 150,000 miles a year internationally). I have found Customs Inspectors all around 
the world to be much the same. They're charged with making sure nothing illegal is brought into the country. Much of 
their work is based on trust. If you filled out the customs forms and state that you have nothing to declare, they will 
let you go unless your behavior makes you suspicious. I've never been stopped by a customs agent in the Middle  East, 
southeast Asia, Europe, or Australia (I opened an office in Melbourne earlier this year. I haven't found the coffees 
anything to brag about, but the wines are fantastic).
The only time I've had a problem in the US was returning from Vietnam back to Los Angeles. I packed a wrapped meat 
sandwich into my carry-on for a mid-flight snack (just in case I couldn't easily get out of my seat during the flight) 
and  a customs dog found it by sniffing around my bag while I was waiting for my luggage. The inspectors passed it from 
one  to another, x-rayed it, and discussed it for about 20 minutes before they let me go. I'm sure there's a black mark 
against my "Trusted Traveler" file now.
Regarding people's experiences with TSA, I've found them to somewhat more dysfunctional than other airport 
security organizations around the world. But as much as I fly into and out of the US I've never had a problem with 
them. Many overseas airport security groups have a much longer history than TSA does and are much more used to 
international travelers.
I blame the idiots in the US Congress for TSA's problems. They put a mandate on the newly created TSA to hire tons of 
people on a short deadline. The hiring process was much faster than they could possibly screen employees and ended up 
with a lot of people who should never have been hired. This created a culture with a high turnover so there are always 
a lot of inexperienced screeners who just move a lot slower than the experienced ones do.
Frank
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19) From: Mike Chester
Gentlemen,
While I, too, have had my share of experiences with people in authority 
positions who have rectally dominant personalities, and are there for the 
power trip, I find that most are just trying to do their job and will treat 
you with the same respect that you show them.  Even if they really are 
jerks, arguing with them is like wrestling with a pig - You get really 
dirty, and the pig likes it.
Mike
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20) From: Joseph Robertson
Frank,
Thank you for the world traveler viewpoint. Many of us can only afford to
drink and roast coffee we get our hands on through SM's or a nice cafe with
a superior track record. Hearing your view point is eye opening.
Airport Security is not as simple as we would like to make it. Mistakes will
be made. Hopefully it is only a sandwich in the carry on or some such thing.
Cheers,
Joe
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21) From: Tom Ulmer
Maybe you should join the tea party as this is the coffee party.

22) From: mcsparky6670
Good one
McSparky
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23) From: miKe mcKoffee
Speaking of morons, ever hear of sarcasm, as in the obvious tone of my post?
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24) From: silas coelho
I just came back from an international trip, and brought some green beans
with me. I have declared then on the paperwork, as usual the Agriculture
folks asked what was the 'food', after my answer he let me go without
further inspection.
Grato/Regards
Silas
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25) From: Eddie Dove
Ummm ... even I got the sarcasm.
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