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Topic: Quest M3 (32 msgs / 693 lines)
1) From: ricky carter
I have been contemplating the purchase of one of these roaster and have a
question.  When watching the video available on www.coffeeshrub.com, it
appears to show several different configurations with regards to temperature
probe locations.
A dial temp gauge is shown in the stock bean mass temp location below the
trier but in other photos that same single dial gauge is shown in an upper
right hand location that would be more suitable for measuring ET.
The photos that show the BT gauge location do not show any visible location
for moving the gauge to an ET location, however the photos with the guage in
an ET location clearly show a bolt closing off the BT location.
Confusing enough?
It's clear that several different roasters were used to make the video.
What is the configuration that shrub delivers?
thanks!
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2) From: Steve Sakoman
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:26 AM, ricky carter  wrote:
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I just received my Quest M3 yesterday.
The thermometer is shipped uninstalled.
I installed my thermometer in the stock bean mass temp location below
the trier, as the instructions indicated.
I've only done one roast so far, but I really love the machine.  I've
used a Hottop for 6 or 7 years and this is definitely a nice upgrade!
Steve
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3) From: Steve Sakoman
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Steve Sakoman  wrote:
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BTW, I'd love to get a second dial thermometer.  Are these available
from Sweet Marias/Shrub?
Don't see them on either site.
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4) From: Hank Perkins
Try Tru-Tel thermometers. Most cooks view these as the best dial therms out there. 
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5) From: ricky carter
Is there a place to mount the ET probe already provided or does the face
plate need to be drilled?
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6) From: miKe mcKoffee
Congrats! 
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7) From: Steve Sakoman
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 9:41 AM, ricky carter  wrote:
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There's a drilled & tapped hole on the right side of the face plate,
at about the same level as the tryer.  As shipped, there is a bolt
screwed hand tight into this spot.
But from what I read online, this location isn't a particularly good
one for useful measurements.
There's a pretty extensive discussion of thermometer mounting points here:http://www.home-barista.com/home-roasting/another-airhead-drums-initial-impressions-of-quest-m3-t12502.htmlSteve
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8) From: raymanowen
Dial-type thermometers are most accurate at mid scale. To calibrate them,
you set Zero and Full scale at 10% FS and 90% FS. The two dials I saw in a
QM3 image showed several degrees disparity at the apparent room temperature.
(No indication that the machine had been recently shut down and was cooling
from operating temperature)
At least, the operator would never expect the two measured locations to read
the same in operation. But when the machine is cold... And turn the
thermometers so that the temperature of interest is at 12:00, for ease of
reading.
Other than being the rong scale, rong orientation and rong calibration,
maybe it's OK for some roasters.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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9) From: ricky carter
Holy Cow!
I will have a Quest M3 on my doorstep tomorrow!  My amazing wife has been
scrimping and saving for the last 6 months to purchase one for me.  I was
floored when she told me she had bought it and it would be here tomorrow!
This is no small thing financially speaking for our family. I'm hoping it
will be a good learning tool in my journey.
Dear Sweet Rachel, I thank you for believing in my dreams!
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10) From: Steve Sakoman
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:25 PM, ricky carter  wrote:
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What a wonderful woman!
You will enjoy your M3.  I'm really happy with mine.
Steve
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11) From: ricky carter
I really can't hardly wait!  I can't sleep now so I'm doing what may be my
last batches for a while on the ol' Behmor.
:D
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12) From: Yakster
Congratulations, you've got a great wife.  Enjoy the roaster.
-Chris
Pecked out on my mobile phone.
On Oct 28, 2010 9:33 PM, "ricky carter"  wrote:
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13) From: Robert Yoder
Congratulations, Ricky!
 
Please share your learning curve with us.
 
Many happy roastings to you!
 
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14) From: raymanowen
Ricky's learning curve? Ricky's will be preceded by those of Tom Owen and
the M-3's manufacturer and brokers who, according to Tom's video, are vexed
by the machine's proclivity to shell out heating elements.
It's none of my business, but electric toasters and coffee pots seem to have
solved the very primary problem of large inrush currents involved in
repeated hard-starting of electric heating devices even from cold to red
heat without a sophisticated soft-start switch or other complication.
One of my first introductions to the QM-3 was Tom's video. It might as well
have been captioned "Here's a New Drum Roaster that is currently SNAFU, but
should be debugged soon.
   - Between heater failures, here's a roast demo..."
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
The Learning Curve is I-70 west of Denver. I hear an overturned semi
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15) From: John A C Despres
Most excellent! Congratulations. My wife is responsible for me home
roasting. She bought me a book, though. I had to do the rest of the
purchasing.
John
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16) From: g paris p
i want one too...
what is the capacity of this beauty?
ginny
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17) From: Steve Sakoman
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 9:07 AM, g paris p  wrote:
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The user manual gives settings for 150, 200, and 250 gram loads.
I've been using 250 gram loads and having no issues at all.  This is
not an underpowered roaster!  You can easily hit start of first in 9
minutes with a 250 gram load.
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18) From: g paris p
steve,
thank you. I want one and will most likely order this week.
After your time using this QM3 are you happy with it?
thanks for your input I really appreciate it.
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19) From: ricky carter
ginny,
I've had my Quest for less than a week, and I absolutely love it.  My "test"
bean surpassed all expectations and I can't wait to get more roasts in.
I started out with the Costa Rica Dota Tarrazu "Sangre de Toro".  The reason
I chose this bean was that I was rather unimpressed by the results I got
when roasting it on the Behmor.  Not bad mind you, but not WOW either.  The
flavors were nice, but nothing that stood out.
My very first roast on the Quest was too long of a dry phase, too long of a
ramp to 1st and too quick on the finish.  It showed in the cup.
On the second roast I made adjustments and got closer to what I wanted and
ZING!  this bean came alive!  Just spectacularly sweet, nice acidity,
honeyed chocolate tones and amazing aroma.
I had chosen this bean because I felt I wouldn't mind if I ruined a couple
batches learning how to operate the Quest and now I wish I had another 20
lbs!  I am really a rank amateur when it comes to roasting knowledge
and ability, yet a new flavor experience has been opened up to me on just
the second roast from this machine.
Since then I have roasted Jimma, Los Chuchos Colombian, and the Guji Oromo
WP Ethiopian, all are still resting (less than 16 hours out from roast right
now ).  If I have the same experience with these beans as I had with the
Sangre de Toro, I will be in coffee heaven!
Oh, I forgot to mention, it's a blast to operate!
:D
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20) From: Robert Bedwell
Congratulations on your Quest.  I actually had my name at SM but I couldn't wait and bought a Hottop.  No regrets.
I would love to see your roast log on the Jimma.  It would be interesting to compare to the HT.
I did three roasts today.  First was Amaro Gayo, Yemen Sharisi and Ethiopia Harar Biftu Genema.  Still a learning process!
Enjoy your roaster.
Bob
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21) From: Steve Sakoman
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Yes, indeed!
My experiences match ricky's.  It really is an excellent machine.  You
won't regret your purchase.
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22) From: g paris p
Hey Guys:
Thanks so much for your input. Aside from the fact that is a really cool
design, a bit retro, cool...
I feel the opportunity for me to really do some serious roasting is
available with this little roaster.
While it will not give me the total I may need to roast at one time between
the Quest M3 and my Hot Top
I can for sure do more which I need to do.
Looking down the posts I see you are beginning to talk Quest M3 tips and I
think that is a great idea and would love to see them
in one place for easy access. Me thinks I will start a new forum onhttp://www.homeroasters.org/php/news.phpfor this little retro machine and anyone who wants to ad tips and tricks and
post away.
Thank you again for your input. Clearly I did not need much of a push in
that direction. A small batch
shop roaster 1 to 3 pound is out of my budget.
warmest regards,
ginny
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23) From: g paris p
mine is on it's way as I type.
cannot wait for this cool tool!
need more profiles guys.
ginny
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24) From: Hank Perkins
Can this roaster be operated on 220v or just 110v?
Thanks,
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25) From: miKe mcKoffee
Well if you ordered a 220v model (for Europe etc.) it would operate 220v, US
model is 110v, neither model is dual voltage as is the case with the vast
majority of electrical devices, one or the other. Sure some small appliances
have built in transformers allowing 220v/110v selection, which basically
steps down 220v to 110v internally. Never seen this type of thing on a
serious powered device, wouldn't make sense. 
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26) From: raymanowen
"Can this roaster be operated on 220v or just 110v?"
I have no idea about the QM3, but I have worked on many very high powered
conveyor ovens. Some were designed as multi voltage, jumper-selectable
machines for worldwide application.
It really is intuitive to the meanest intelligence that the heaters could be
identical parts, wired in single, two or four series-connected banks for
120, 208, 240 or even 460 volts. The 208 and 460 were three phase Wye
connected. Child's play to arrange 120-volt heater sections in series or
parallel for the available power.
Transformers are a waste of iron and copper when variable speed DC motor
controllers with SCR bridges or PID temperature controllers exist with
switching supplies. My temperature controller input power is rated at 85 -
265v, AC or DC. What transformer, with what rating?
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Be alert- we need more lerts and never do anything you haven't read about in
a book.
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27) From: Joseph Robertson
More OT Power Talk............
RayO,
Do you have any experience with the new digital motor controlers, like my
Eaton Culter Hammer MVX 9000 AF Drive.
I have been running my 3phase grinder on it. Sweet little boxes.
  The first PUD guy I called said I need to ditch the road out front to
bring in 3phase or put a pole in and run over head for a small fee of about
5K.
After I choked I started making phone calls and discovered there is ahhhh,
modern alternative to the older analog spinning motors to generate a 3rd
phase for about 350.00. After the job got done the local power company
dropped by to look at it because they had never seen one before. I started
to feel nervous that I might know more than the guys I called for help.
Just wondering if you have had a chance to work with them? Or may have an
opinion about these little units?
Now back to roasting..........
JoeR
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28) From: David Liguori
Completely OT, of course...
Or like this one:
 http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Drives/GS1_%28120_-z-_230_VAC_V-z-Hz_Control%29/GS1_Drive_Units_%28120_-z-_230_VAC%29/GS1-10P2I'm interested myself.  Thinking of one for a 3-phase drill press.
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29) From: Rich
There are lots of them out there and they function just fine as long as 
you do not overload them.
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30) From: raymanowen
"Do you have any experience with the new digital motor controlers, like my
Eaton Culter Hammer MVX 9000 AF Drive."
A New Cult drive by Cutler-Hammer?
In 3-phase-speak: "No, No, No experience," but the new front loader washers
use similar controls and 3-phase motors for home use. Variable speed
reversible with no moving electrical parts or starting switches- ideal set
up.
Your big old grinder with variable frequency power supply could easily be
run over speed. We had a 12"dia X 3" wide grinder in the shop at CSMRI. The
3hp motor could have hit 8,000 rpm with high frequency dialed in to it. I
wouldn't want to be in the same county in that case! That would take just
133 hz dialed up from 60hz.
These little drives can control Enormous motors with the use of magnetic
amplifiers and saturable reactors. With absolutely NO application to home
coffee preparation or consumption, geeks loose around the globe would rather
use solid state controls.
Fine. Avoid the rush, get a forktruck and drag out the mag amps for the
3,600 hp motor powered by 14,400v 3-phase.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Zap!
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31) From: Joseph Robertson
RayO,
Very sorry if this got sent to you twice. Found it in my draft folder.
Thanks for your take on these "state of the art" power supplies so to speak.
Right now I'm underpowered so I guess I have some tweaking to do. I'm not
the electrical engineer or even electrician in any way or shape. But I know
a guy in the back at Platt Electric who can get me dialed in.
Electricity taught me a long time ago a simple rule, if you don't know what
it is, don't touch it. Find someone who does and have them touch it. I use
that rule with snakes too. <];^)
Love your take on the whole," geeks loose around the globe would rather use
solid state controls." All the old dogs I'm coming in contact with tell me
that "solid state controls" are the  standard anymore. Seems even our new
tooth brushes have solid state controls.  Come to think of it doesn't my
IRoast2 have solid state controls?
JR
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32) From: raymanowen
I just get a charge out of it. Back in the day, transistors were more like
thermometers- the operating point would drift with the temperature of the
Germanium junctions!
Earliest Variac were Lionel train variable transformers. Hooked them up
back-to-back to blue dot some outdoor Christmas light bulbs.
When I roasted half of the Sulawesi A A Wet Process Toraja 1# sample, I had
no clue what it would taste like- I just followed Tom's roasting suggestions
and stopped the roast on the dime when it got to the middle of his
recommended range, for a total roast time of 18m:32s . After a couple of
days of flavor progression, my Honey asked- "Can we get more of this one,
the Sulawesi?"
"Go for it, babe. Get a Fiver!"
Maybe if I roast some for her Dr., the bill will quit growing like Jack's
beanstalk. Guess that's what happens when you take a 10-day camping vacation
at St. Anthony North campground
-ro
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