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1) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
If you want to know what it is and why I am in Texas for it, I am 
updating a thread at Coffeed about this event.http://twitter.com/#!/sweetmariasHey, well I am at it, the blog post about the rising coffee market is ">http://www.coffeed.com/viewtopic.php?f!&t504Also posting updates to our twitter:http://twitter.com/#!/sweetmariasHey, well I am at it, the blog post about the rising coffee market is 
a bit interesting!http://www.sweetmarias.com/weblog/-- 
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2) From: Edward Bourgeois
Hopefully it will be productive! Been wondering if coffee growers have
been making "compost tea" to stimulate life in the soil and release
more available origin flavors?
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3) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
The first presenter was Dr Vincent Petiard who worked in plant 
science for Nestle for 25 years, arguing for focused research in 
quality at the level of plant material.
He outlined Nescafes quality research program, amazing in it's 
breadth, to trace quality from plant genome through the final result, 
the cup. Nestle can actually get enough genetic material from a final 
roasted product on the shelf to determined what cultivar the coffee 
came from, and they can track each container shipment coming in this 
way, if they want to.
The funniest thing is the break right after his speech had "Kenya" 
coffee in a big thermal container, and it tasted like typical watery 
institutional coffee. I wanted to ask him if we can check it is 
really Kenya! Practical applications...
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4) From: Joseph Robertson
Tom,
Thanks for you work with this. I'm looking forward to following your blog
and Coffeed's site when they get it up for this.
Joe
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5) From: Edward Bourgeois
Interesting, but leery of starting with the plant without thinking of
what the plant is eating. There can be a half billion living organisms
in a teaspoon of healthy soil. This is how the soil can be encourage
to break down. Adding fertilizers in a dead soil will limit the origin
flavors we cherish and is costly. Several farms I work with(not coffee
farms) have had great success spraying a compost tea brew to the plant
at certain times and especially getting it on the ground. It is
extremely cost effective and simple to make. The new approach to soil
health/life is the best thing going in farming and sustainability and
foremost taste.
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6) From: Edward Bourgeois
So they're genome mapping coffee. They're wondering why some varietals
have good results in many areas. No mention of soil health. Sounds
like the start of a outside inputs based and controlled system. Farmer
must be under contract and are forced to plant certain (gm?) seeds,
use certain fertilizers/supplements/pest controllers etc. Quality and
consistency will improve, sort of. You may be able to grow Kenyan and
Colombian on the same farm in Florida if they take it far enough. Oh
happy day.
So what if there's nothing from a blueberry in a Krispy kreme
blueberry doughnut.
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7) From: Edward Bourgeois
The Borlaug Institute
Monsanto has donated $2.5 million to Texas A&M University to fund the
Borlaug-Monsanto Chair for Plant Breeding and International Crop
Improvement. The chair is named in honor of Norman Borlaug who won the
1970 Nobel Peace Prize for his work in plant breeding.
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8) From: miKe mcKoffee
Which sort of proves just how important it is for the big hitters to keep
the masses happy with "consistent" quality mediocrity, sad. 
Slave to the Bean  miKe mcKoffee
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first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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9) From: Joseph Robertson
Now Ed,
Let us not extrapolate too much from Toms work here. It is very easy to be
an arm chair coach in this when we have so little information.
Same ol'e Joe
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10) From: phil.palmintere
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11) From: Edward Bourgeois
Joe
I'm so glad Tom is there. A voice of common sense. There's much
research that would be very valuable. It's what's done with the
research that needs to be carefully thought out. There are 2 distinct
paths for farming happening presently. One that believes we can/should
control the environment and one that believes we can work within the
environment. After 40+ years working in the later I'm convinced it's
the better path.
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12) From: Edward Bourgeois
I hope the possibility of GM Specialty coffee is addressed.
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13) From: raymanowen
Monsanto Chair- Is it a heavy ceramic thing with a lever? Even with all
membrane technology, it will still be * * * *.
The Nobel Prize is being obscured as the most prestigious award in its
field. Can you see the Nobel Prize for the Most Engineered Stable Coffee
Origins, or Roundup fertilizer, "When Performance Counts."
When Elvis and the Beatles were "It," I preferred the crunch of coffee beans
in the mouth to the vacuum-brewed coffee I brewed for my folks. (Wonder why
they both liked cream- from a cream separator- and sugar?)
My record collection included "Jailhouse Rock" on a 78, "the Nut-Cracker"
suite on some 45 rpm EP's, Khachaturian's piano concerto and several
different performances of Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite on 33-1/3 rpm LP's. Not
PC. No prize, but I like it.
Cheers, Mabuhay, Iechyd da -RayO, aka Opa!
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14) From: Edward Bourgeois
Ray
As far as I can tell, musac has not been taken off the list of possibilities.
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15) From: Edward Bourgeois
Yes, I'm skeptical of the intentions of some of the players. Once
bitten twice shy.  Unless something has changed in the past couple
years the Dr. N. Borlaug institute has not been a haven for organic
researchers. Norman was not a believer of organic production. Nor did
he believe many of the concerns having to do with industrial
ag.production or GM plants. I think it is as important for the group
to determine  what directions they won't go as it is what research
they will start to explore.
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16) From: Edward Bourgeois
Nestle's GM coffee plantlets,
“We will distribute 220 million high-yielding, disease-resistant
coffee plantlets to farmers by 2020, through partnerships with public
and private institutions in countries such as Mexico, Thailand,
Indonesia and the Philippines, where we have already distributed over
16 million coffee plantlets in the past ten years.”
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17) From: Joseph Robertson
Totally agree with you Ed.
 I started organic gardening in 1971 and never looked back. Now I own an
"Organic Coffee Shop and Bakery"  It's just that your comments seem to have
such a , almost dark side (it's either or, Black or White, only two schools
of thought goinging on here) Is it really black or white? Or is it all the
programing and learning that has come our way for the past 40 or so years.
We are about the same age so I have be subjected to the same BS when it
comes to us end users being manipulated by the giants of the Coffee Biz. I
personally hope there is a gray area somewhere in this corporate "scientific
world of coffee research". Or shall I say a medium roast result for all of
us who know such a realm exists in this complex Black Gold we love so much.
I'm heading up to Seattle Coffee Fest to ask a ton of questions again. In
between all the marketing buzz you occasionally run into some R&D coffee
guys.
Best Roast to you Ed, Thanks for all your input here on this list. I have
gleaned much from your posts.
Joe
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18) From: Joseph Robertson
Ed,
Thanks for the clarification on the GM and players here. You have a much
broader understanding of this picture than I do.
I'm anxious to hear more from Tom as the conference moves forward.
I always have high hopes for the possibilities out there.
Joe
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19) From: Joseph Robertson
Sounds like it is time to focus more on the real small coffee farmers like
the local grow food co-ops I'm am currently involved in. I personally
believe the solution resides in small operations. The real question is how
do we individuals and small businesses throw our energy / $'s in that
direction to really make the differences you and I and many other want and
need with this green badly needed and wanted crop.
I'm going to watch the current explosion of small food cooperatives that is
in part a result of the economy being in the toilet and try and apply what I
see developing to the current global coffee market/situation.
Less is More. On the surface it looks like a huge problem. It's time for a
radical solution. Problems are only dreams and possibilities yet reveled.
My 2cents over flowed, me and my soapbox.
Joe
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20) From: Edward Bourgeois
Joe
As farmers in the mid-west have found it's hard to have a "gray area"
once GMO's are in the neighborhood. Many researchers are finally
switching to the organic camp as we are now showing that it can
produce yields, be an effective way to manage pests, allow the farmers
to be less dependent on outside input costs, utilize soil based
resources and be a h*** of a lot more healthy to farmers, the
environment and consumers.
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21) From: Joseph Robertson
HERE HERE on that Ed. Thanks for a mid-west heads up. Funny how us the West
side never see the big farmers perspective.
I hope we ( those of us that are out here ) can stay in the Organic camp and
not get tromped on by Corporate GMOers.
Thanks again for your insite.
Joe
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22) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Good points - On nestle: Yes Ed, and if we do nothing, coffee farmers 
who currently cultivate with Typica and Bourbon and Caturra will 
eventually all have Catimor. Most of the push toward catimor types 
comes from the in-country research facilities and agronomists because 
they are trying to save coffee farmers from going belly up. It's 
completly understandable. Nestle sees themselves as heroes with this 
plant distribution effort. And for a farmer at 800 meters or 1000 
meters, they should absolutely plant catimors if their crop is pest 
and disease ravaged. They will use much less inputs with the right 
plant for that altitude and level of coffee quality. Right now we 
have a situation where starbucks has jumped the ship on quality and 
has moved to vietnam and crap brazil arabicas, and you have their 
competitors, Green Mountain, Caribou, those types, trying to stay 
with decent quality washed arabicas. In Colombia, much or Huila is 
just destroyed by coffee rust fungus, which requires at least 4 
fungicide applications to fight. Most of the 1100-1200 meter farms 
are wiped out. Farmers push further and further up into the mountains 
to avoid rust, and they can for a while, but eventually it follows. 
One of the things on the table is to tap the incredible diversity of 
native Ethiopia coffee types, which represents something like 90% of 
the genetic diversity in coffee (cultivated types are extremely 
heterogenous) to find disease resistance in a pure arabica with cup 
quality. This would use genetics for identification and rapid 
propagation, but not gene splicing manipulations. Hows that for a new 
answer to this coffee rust crisis? If you went there and saw how 
dramatic the problem is ... its shocking really. One thing with this 
initiative is to get a no GMO standard in there (I can't see anyone 
except the geneticists advocating for it - its not going to happen). 
The other thing I really want to see is a metric to measure potential 
research that states a project will "Increase the value of coffee at 
the Farm Gate." If a project scores well in that, it means a world of 
good for the farm: higher incomes, potentially less competition with 
food crops, better use of land etc).
One thing that 10 years ago I would not go for, but I do now, is 
increased production. Sustainable increase in production from each 
plant, paired with an increase in quality. The wine industry proved 
years ago you can have good production and improve quality at the 
same time. Low production = Quality is a myth. Low production from 
plants is the bane of the farmers existence, literally relegating 
them to a poverty cycle, to overtax their land for other uses, to 
overuse fertilizers, or to quit coffee altogether. In Harar I saw 
coffee with literally 80 or 100 cherries per tree, and half of those 
falling off green due to CBD. In that village I saw incredible 
poverty, malnutrition, and coffee interplanted with corn and cabbage 
(which will rob both food crops and coffee from nutrients), lack of 
water (too much given to crops, their well was nearly dry). So the 
need is not hypothetical at all. Besides basic extentsion work by 
agronomists and financing for their crops (neither of which this 
Initiative covers exactly) there ARE research solutions that result 
in better coffee for us and better lives for farmers in situations 
like this.
Well, that's just a few disorganized thoughts I have on this topic... 
on the flight home. Wifi on an airplane, just $5. Kinda odd, but 
quite useful too!  Thanks for your comments on this. I am glad we all 
care about these issues so much. By the way, if you don't mind I 
might paste this onto the coffeed thread because it raises good 
points -Tom
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23) From: Edward Bourgeois
Thanks Tom,
Was soil health(life in soil not nutrients) discussed at all? This is
the newest area being explored by the organic small farm movement.
They're finding that healthy soils create a whole different
environment and often help with many plant problems. This is also the
way I see the soils being able to keep up with a higher production
while keeping the origin character and keeping fertilizers at a
minimum. Unfortunately research in organic practices is not a big
money maker so isn't happening that much except between farmers as the
solutions are not often a patentable product as is the case with
compost tea brews. I wonder if any coffee growers have experimented
with compost tea recipes?
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24) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
This week was really about the structure of the thing. We had a 
brainstorm session of possible research topics just as a quick straw 
poll type thing, and issues of sustainable agriculture, organic and 
ecology were listed in several categories; agronomy, processing, 
genetics (concern for lack of genetic diversity), even in 
transportation (transport and, with vac pack, packaging materials is 
where most of the energy is consumed  and green house gas produced in 
the entire process to get coffee to market.) In fact many of these 
came from some of the larger companies there, Caribou and Green 
Mountain. But we know small companies will push for this.
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-Tom
"Great coffee comes from little roasters" - Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting
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25) From: raymanowen
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(the Semi-annual Naming Of Blogs Mostly Used to Scribble About Classical
music)
Or Muzak, the roundly denigrated elevator music some brainiac DJ'd on the
lifts in tall buildings while the passengers were forced to ride it out.
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26) From: Edward Bourgeois
More info has been added to the home site.http://www.gcqri.org/My concern is what will happen on the farm. I've tried to find and
read everything on this initiative. I've been involved with many
farming and related initiatives over the years. It is usually implied
that at the start "everything will be on the table" so to speak.
Sometimes they are and sometimes certain things are missing with no
recognition or explanation why. Also, I've found that the table of
possibilities are not shown equally. That for some unexplained reason
certain choices are spotlighted front and center where others are not.
This will make me question the true openness of the process and wonder
if there is some steering going on behind the scene. In the GCQRI
presentations graphics shown online there are pictures of what I call
"bubble boy" farming with sterile environments but none of
permaculture type farm environments. There are pictures of giant plant
propagation facilities but none of more specific on farm heirloom
selection and propagation. There are pictures of preground portioned
packets etc. but none of CCDs and grinders etc. And there is no
mention of organic from what I read in the pre-designed presentations.
This would only lead me to ask "why" in a trust but verify type
approach.
This initiative will most likely be funded with a "checkoff" type
approach as has been used in other ag. commodities. Basically, a small
tax is added to the consumer. When done right, consumer will gladly
pay when they as well as others in the system will all benefit fairly.
-- 
Ed Bourgeois aka farmroast
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