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Topic: Best brewing methods for addressing high (7 msgs / 272 lines)
1) From: Michael Wade
Chris, what grinder are you using now that produces less fines?  Anybody 
else?  Seems like this topic always gets dominated by the "Dark Side" 
espresso guys.  I'm interested in a good, no, make that excellent grinder 
for brewing.
 I changed my brewing to the shortest cycle I know of,  the Aeropress, to 
compensate for the overextraction of fines in other, longer cycle brew 
methods, but I'd like to get a better grinder FOR BREW, and try other 
methods again.
Michael Wade
Milpitas, CA

2) From: Peter Louton
Hi Michael,
I do both the brew, Technivorm and espresso and my grinder I use is a Rocky.  It isn't stepless and I can easily tweak back and forth between 5-9 for espresso and 13-14 for drip and I do go back and forth, when I make coffee to take to work for my night shift and a couple of tasty espresso shots before my two hour drive to work.  
Peter
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On Nov 19, 2010 11:23, Michael Wade <mlwade> wrote: 
Chris, what grinder are you using now that produces less fines?  Anybody 
else?  Seems like this topic always gets dominated by the "Dark Side" 
espresso guys.  I'm interested in a good, no, make that excellent grinder 
for brewing.
 I changed my brewing to the shortest cycle I know of,  the Aeropress, to 
compensate for the overextraction of fines in other, longer cycle brew 
methods, but I'd like to get a better grinder FOR BREW, and try other 
methods again.
Michael Wade
Milpitas, CA

3) From: Hank Perkins
FWIW I have had several grinders. When I was drinking mostly drip I used a Rocky Rancillio and was very happy with it. As a dark side espresso guy now we use a Mazzer mini electronic which is $1000 grinder. It is doserless and For home usage it is phenomenal. I have not used it for drip but make no mistake once you dialed it in you could set the ground size to what ever you wanted. Lastly I have had multiple coffee roasters makers and espresso machines. The grinders are always have made the ultimate improvement in my coffee drink regardless of brewing methods. 
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On Nov 19, 2010, at 9:27 AM, "Michael Wade"  wrote:
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4) From: Yakster
I was eyeing the Virtuous Preciso but gave up waiting and sprung for the
Baratza Vario.  I've been very happy with double duty espresso and
everything else and no stuck vac pots anymore.  Press is good too.  The
Preciso still looks interesting, especially for brewed coffee.
I took my hand grinder and twist to work for espresso here and use the Vario
at home with the Ka Peppina.
-Chris
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5) From: raymanowen
The grinder is the bottleneck between roasting and brewing. I just roasted
some Sulawesi A A WP Toraja. Pleasant brisk day for roasting, so made the
best of it and S T R E T C H ed a roast to FC+.  I wanted the long roast
without any of 2nd Crack.
1st didn't start rolling until 16:05; by 19:05 - 19:10, first C all done,
dumped in cooler and cold.
Bean crunch was unbelievable, along with fresh roasted aroma: non-sweet
chocolate on caramel. That's what came out of the silver fire hydrant with
funnel !  Drop dead aroma.
Maybe I wrecked the initial burr set after 5 years of infrequent whole wheat
grinding for bread flour. Burrs touch at 0 = micro dust, bread flour at 5,
Turkish brewing at 10, espresso brew at 20, (to start) drip ~ 32, press at
40 - 48. Original set still felt dead sharp, but I was seeing more fines.
All in my head- the 2nd new set after 5 years and about 95 - 120# felt
sharper yet and fewer fines. (Still some fines, not problematic)
I've never experienced such a delightful initial brew (Turkish) right after
roasting. Nothing but Nirvana- Have you ever caught the aroma of fresh
vanilla beans? It's in there, ever so slightly, Not amended.
It's not one of the only five things I ever do to coffee: roast, age, grind,
brew, consume. I add a) and b) steps to just plain grinding. Flash freeze to
harden the bean surface, and meter the flow of beans into the burrs using
the little gate in the funnel.
At room temperature, the beans are relatively soft and tend to tear apart
rather than crack apart like an egg shell. When beans are packed into the
burrs, many of the beans are crushed against each other rather than being
shaved by the burrs. All comical burrs tend to do that, and the only fix is
to meter the feed into the burrs. If I wanted crushed grounds, I wouldn't
have bought a grinder at all. There are B&FE railroad tracks about 150 yards
from here...
Agreed, Grinder is Job #1. A bad grinder can wreck everything that follows
even with the $2000+ coffee maker. A $1K grinder is Nothing compared to all
the flavor a cheap-o can wreck.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Hank Perkins  wrote:
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6) From: Michael Wade
Thanks Chris - and Peter, Hank and Rayo
I have looked at a bunch of grinders over the last couple of years, from the 
Rocky and that little Nuova Simonelli doserless that Chris Coffee used to 
sell, up through Compak,  Macap MC4, even the Cymbali Max Hybrid; but I 
liked what I read about the Vario, its the right size for my kitchen, and I 
like the idea of ceramic burrs.  Done.
Then maybe I'll try that Technivorm again, and maybe even the KMB.
Michael

7) From: Jim Gundlach
On Nov 19, 2010, at 10:57 PM, raymanowen wrote:
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I posted this a few years ago so several new members of the list probably haven't read about it.  I bought a 40 some  pound Brevieto (sp?) grinder that would not work from a used restaurant supply store for about $50.  I expected to have to do some serious repair work on it but found the problem was that one wire in the power cord was broken.  I replaced that and bought new burrs for it then and again about five years later.  A couple of years ago a list member gave me a spout to replace the round multi shot grinder collector that he no longer needed.  Anyway, checking a restaurant supply store that is recycling restaurant equipment might well enable list members to get top quality grinders at reasonable prices.
 
     pecan jim
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