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1) From: John Nanci
Question here.  Do people see their own posts?  Ever since (a year 
ago?) that the mailing list was migrated, I've not seen a single of 
my own posts.  Which is why I have hardly posted.  I didn't think 
they were getting through.
I've confirmed they are not spammed.  It's like the mail list system 
isn't sending out the message back to the originator.  Anyone else?
John
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Testing something with my mail system.
Please ignore.  Thanks.
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2) From: peterz
I just saw this post.
When I post I just reply to the list, change the heading and delete 
everything in the body. I gets to see that for sure, but seems like 
sometimes other folks do not ;)
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3) From: Bob Hazen
Your post came through just fine, John.  As I recall, there's a setting on 
the setup page for the list that allows you to copy yourself or not.
It's been a while, so I couldn't tell you how to do it.  But if you poke 
around you should see it.  That is, unless I'm having a synaptic misfire.
Bob

4) From: John Nanci
OK, I found the toggle to receive my own message and it was set that 
I should be, but I toggled a couple others.  We'll see (or more like 
I will) if that has any effect.
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5) From: miKe mcKoffee
Seems about 1 in 8 posts I send don't go through, all but one sent today
went through, just forwarded resent one that didn't. Doesn't seem to matter
if a reply or new post. Glitchy free email list software...
miKe
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6) From: John Nanci
Right now, I'm hitting 100% that I don't get of my own, although 
Derek showed me they are being delivered.  I wish I could figure out 
what setting that is off that is causing this.  Mike, do you mind 
taking this off list and seeing if I can match your settings?
John
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7) From: Dean
I have seen that for years--i finally subscribed twice.  The account 
that sent the message >NEVER< gets it back, even when the other one does.
No settings or other things that I can & did change have helped.  It 
should be working, but not.
It is rare that a message gets dropped--that was happening about 2 
years ago. About 80% of my messages never got thru.
Somebody thought this is caused by Gmail being too smart to send you 
back your own posts, or an interaction between Gmail and the listserv 
software/site.
Unfortunately my ISP switched to using GMail instead of self-hosting 
email about 2 years ago, so alternatives are limited.
If you ever get it to work, could you post the solution?
hth
Dean
Winter is finally here in da weeds.
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8) From: Allon Stern
There are reverse DNS issues with the mail servers that can cause issues like this; I sent details to Derek, I think.
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allon
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9) From: Joseph Robertson
Did you get the bugs worked out John. I get my posts so I assume the default
is, you should receive your own.
Joe
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10) From: Rich
You receive your own post unless your ISP and/or e-mail program deletes 
them.
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11) From: Joseph Robertson
Thanks Rich,
I kind of figured it was independent of our host Tom.
Joe
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12) From: John Nanci
It's gmail, and I've checked that side.  It's simply looks like the 
messages are not being sent back out from the list server.
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13) From: Joseph Robertson
OT
Very strange it is just you at this point John.
Thank the gods we have great coffee to drink while we dig into
cyber-anomalies like this.
Joe
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14) From: Yakster
Yeah, I never see any of my messages on any list when using gmail.
-Chris
Pecked out on my mobile phone.
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15) From: Robert Yoder
Hotmail works for me.
 
Happy Roasting,
 
robert yoder
 
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16) From: Rich
G-mail very likely treats the return of your original post as a bounce 
and cans it.  Many ISPs trash bounces at the pop server, quietly.
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17) From: Terry Stockdale
Or, maybe Gmail is mis-identifying them as spam - they're being received 
into gmail.com, with a From address of gmail.com,  but not being sent by 
the gmail.com mailservers...
Terry
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18) From: Joseph Robertson
My question still persists for me. Why not me too, or all gmail users?
I see my posts just fine right in line.
Joe
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19) From: Kevin C
I recall that it used to be an option in gmail settings (to see my posts to a mail list). But it's not there now, so maybe it was a dream. 
-kc 
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20) From: g paris p
If you reply to the post as it exists you will see your post in the thread
head count from first to last in order of time. Changing subject begins a
diferent thread.
depending on whose post you reply to also depends on where you show up in
the order of things.
ginny
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21) From: Yakster
A little more detail on this can be found here:http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=2d5dbc1f28270634&hl=enBasically, GMail is following the RFC5322 standard literally and treating
the reply from a mailing list that has the same Message-ID as the item in
it's sent folder as a duplicate and not showing it.  If the mailing list
changes the Message-ID when it is sent out, then you'd be able to see the
copy being sent and verify that your message went out to the list.  If not,
all you'll see is the copy that you sent, which in some cases is added to
the message thread, without knowing if it was actually sent out to the list
or not.
From RFC5322:
The "Message-ID:" field provides a unique message identifier that refers to
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Note: There are many instances when messages are "changed", but those
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This is frustrating, and I've considered the suggestion of subscribing from
a second email address to see that my messages made it out, but so far it
seems like most of my messages have made it through.
-Chris
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22) From: John Nanci
Not true for me.  I continue to not see a single of my posts until 
someone replies to them and I see them sent in someone else's message.
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23) From: Rich
Have a chat with your hosting service customer service department.
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24) From: John Nanci
Beating a dead horse, I know.  Yeah, looks like gmail is 'helping' me 
with this 'feature' that can't be turned off.  I really hate that and 
apparently lots of others do too.
Trying to bcc myself.  Too big brotherish for my taste.
Sigh.
Happy holidays everyone.
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25) From: Rich
Well, google knows what is good for you so just be quiet and sit down. 
Google has a serious nanny state attitude.  Carefully read the terms of 
service for the free e-mail sometime, all the way to the end.
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26) From: John Nanci
Yeah, I know...sighing again.  ;)
BCC works though.
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27) From: Peter Louton
Well, I do need to take a nap and a good read might help me to sleep better.
I have been roasting almost non-stop since yesterday.  I have been using my Behmor and really liking it a lot.  Roasted 12 + pounds in about 8 hours and have been able to duplicate roast after roast.  Plus I have been really enjoying Espresso Workshop #11.  It is a very tasty espresso.  The crema from it is some of the best tasting crema and it has aged nicely right at 10 days and all I'm saying is that it is in my cup, a lot.
Well, off to roast some more, but Merry Christmas Eve to all and to all a great cup of coffee!
Peter
-- Sent from my Palm Pre
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Well, google knows what is good for you so just be quiet and sit down. 
Google has a serious nanny state attitude.  Carefully read the terms of 
service for the free e-mail sometime, all the way to the end.
On 12/24/2010 12:26 PM, John Nanci wrote:
> Beating a dead horse, I know. Yeah, looks like gmail is 'helping' me
> with this 'feature' that can't be turned off. I really hate that and
> apparently lots of others do too.
>
> Trying to bcc myself. Too big brotherish for my taste.
>
> Sigh.
>
> Happy holidays everyone.
>
> At 03:17 PM 12/13/2010, Yakster wrote:
>> A little more detail on this can be found here:
>>
>>http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=2d5dbc1f28270634&hl=en>>
>>
>> Basically, GMail is following the RFC5322 standard literally and treating
>> the reply from a mailing list that has the same Message-ID as the item in
>> it's sent folder as a duplicate and not showing it. If the mailing list
>> changes the Message-ID when it is sent out, then you'd be able to see the
>> copy being sent and verify that your message went out to the list. If
>> not,
>> all you'll see is the copy that you sent, which in some cases is added to
>> the message thread, without knowing if it was actually sent out to the
>> list
>> or not.
>>
>> From RFC5322:
>>
>> The "Message-ID:" field provides a unique message identifier that
>> refers to
>> > a particular version of a particular message. The uniqueness of the
>> message
>> > identifier is guaranteed by the host that generates it (see below).
>> This
>> > message identifier is intended to be machine readable and not
>> necessarily
>> > meaningful to humans. A message identifier pertains to exactly one
>> version
>> > of a particular message; subsequent revisions to the message each
>> receive
>> > new message identifiers.
>> >
>>
>> and
>>
>> Note: There are many instances when messages are "changed", but those
>> > changes do not constitute a new instantiation of that message, and
>> therefore
>> > the message would not get a new message identifier. For example, when
>> > messages are introduced into the transport system, they are often
>> prepended
>> > with additional header fields such as trace fields (described in
>> section
>> > 3.6.7) and resent fields (described in section 3.6.6). The addition
>> of such
>> > header fields does not change the identity of the message and
>> therefore the
>> > original "Message-ID:" field is retained. In all cases, it is the
>> meaning
>> > that the sender of the message wishes to convey (i.e., whether this
>> is the
>> > same message or a different message) that determines whether or not the
>> > "Message-ID:" field changes, not any particular syntactic difference
>> that
>> > appears (or does not appear) in the message.
>> >
>>
>> This is frustrating, and I've considered the suggestion of subscribing
>> from
>> a second email address to see that my messages made it out, but so far it
>> seems like most of my messages have made it through.
>>
>> -Chris
>>
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