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Topic: Dead Mazzer SJ (14 msgs / 254 lines)
1) From: DeCambre.Peter
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2) From: Justin Schwarz
I bought a used SJ a couple of years ago for a smokin deal and figured that even if it was 20+ years old that it should last quite some time in my home use.  Today I had the Brewtus warmed up and ready with a couple of beans in their peak rest window and went to grind for the first shot of the day and had no power.  
I first wiggled the cord thinking that there must be a short or something I don't know how the stationary grinder could develop a short overnight, but wishful thinking I guess.  Next, I tried googling and checking the H-B forum and others for any info about where to start troubleshooting this issue, these things are built like tanks as we all know so I could not find anyone with a similar problem.  Time to call EPNW, I just wanted to know where to start troubleshooting this thing, They told me that if it was the motor I would have better luck and less $$$ into it if I just found another used mazzer. 
I almost had an excuse to go grinder shopping, my wife was spared the experience of me trying to find a better grinder, after all if I had to replace it I would have to make a significant improvement right?  I was happy with that scenario, but being without espresso until I could afford another (better) grinder really made me unhappy.  I decided to call Espresso Machine Experts in Portland to see if one of their techs could help me, and I'm glad I did, sort of.  I found out that the timer was the most likely culprit and went on to bypass the timer for testing purpose and the grinder hummed just fine.  I'm glad I didn't give up on this grinder.
My question is this: the replacement timer is $81 and I feel that is too much to spend on a switch, albeit much cheaper than a new grinder, just seems excessive.  Is there any other way that I could use a different switch, or foot pedal? to avoid the cost of this relatively simple timer.  I am going to bring the timer to Platt(electrical parts supplier) or Norvac(electronics supply house)  tomorrow and see if I can find a suitable replacement.  Chassis modification of the SJ may be neccesary, I at least expect to drill some new holes to mount the switch
Any Ideas or suggestions are appreciated
-Justin
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3) From: Robert Yoder
Hi Justin,
 
It's a little tough to commiserate with a Super Jolly and Brewtus person, but I will if need-be(!)  As a conservative medicine sort of person, I would argue in favor of biting the bullet and installing the Factory Replacement Part, if for no other reason than the fact that this approach preserves the resale value (and the known reliability) of this workhorse, even if the Upgrade Bug were to attack. Another aproach might be to see if there is a simple Off/On Switch from Mazzer or after-market (of equivalent service capacity) which mounts in the original hole.  I'd hate to see you punching holes in this old beast if you didn't have to.  But that's just me.  Not to mention that the thought of hauling that Fireplug around to electrical suppliers makes my back hurt to think about.
 
Happy Roasting,
 
robert yoder
 
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4) From: Yakster
I've heard of people using external darkroom timers and you could wire the
grinder always on, but it would probably cost the same and take more room.
You could also install a switch in the power cord, but replacing or fixing
the existing timer is probably the way I'd go.
-Chris
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On Mar 22, 2011 11:53 PM, "Robert Yoder"  wrote:
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5) From: John Borella
Why not just replace the timer switch with a simple toggle off/on switch? 
You will need to source one with the correct amp rating but you should be 
able to mount it in the existing switch hole.
John B.
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6) From: Jim Gundlach
My old grinder has both a timer switch and a manual bypass of the timer switch.  I always use the manual switch.  I put a funnel on the coffee holder put it under the ground coffee discharge spout and then turn it on and silently say "one thousand and one, one thousand and two, one thousand and three" and turn the switch off.  That produces a generous double shot with mine.  You would have to make a few trial runs to get your time right for what you want.  If I were in your shoes and went ahead and paid the $81 for the switch I would be reminded of being ripped off every time I used it and I would find that reminder took a little away from the pleasure I get from making and drinking great coffee.
   pecan jim
On Mar 23, 2011, at 1:06 AM, Justin Schwarz wrote:
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7) From: Barry Luterman
If the old timer switch lasted 20 plus years. A new one costs out at 4
dollars per year and you save the integrity of the machine. You saved at
least that much on the Hottop. Replace it with original parts. Consider
yourself lucky it wasn't the motor or like Les it didn't fall down a flight
of steps.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, John Borella wrote:
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8) From: Scace, Gregory E. Mr.
Well the super jolly is one of the best flat-burr grinders around (read the titan grinder threads on HB), so it's worth repairing, for sure. I'd use the factory part, but that's just me.  If I was gonna put in a simple on-off switch, I'd adapt it to fit into the stock location so I didn't have to butcher the body and have the thing look like hell.
-Greg

9) From: John Borella
Chris Coffee Service has the complete Mazzer timer switch for $42. http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/home/mazzerparts/completetimeswitchWhere did you see the $81 price?
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10) From: Justin Schwarz
Thanks for the link, 42 is a bit easier to swallow but I would like to have a simple on/off switch if I can find a suitable replacement that I would be able to fit into the existing location. 
I know I'm splitting hairs here on high end equipment but $81 seems excessive.
-justin
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11) From: Michael Dhabolt
John (above) recommended a toggle switch.  In a pinch I've replaced
the timer with a 20 Amp Toggle until a new switch was procured.  Works
perfectly OK.
All the comments concerning the degradation in value of a premier
machine not withstanding you could jumper around the switch and plug /
unplug it if necessary.
I believe that Mazzer made a direct replacement on/off switch that
will fit.  Can't remember if it was on the SJ or Major but it should
fit.  I'd talk to the parts guy at EPNW.
Mike (just plain)
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12) From: Joseph Robertson
Nice idea Paul.
I thought Mazzer had a toggle switch option to put in the place of the timer
switch. My two have run so well for so long I have never had to mess with
them.
Joe
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13) From: Justin Schwarz
So, I stopped by Norvac today and asked if they had a suitable replacement for my timer that I could use on the SJ, I found one that I could install in the original location that would only require me to drill out the hole for the post slightly.  The 20A toggle cost me all of $7.25 and if I wish to re-install an OEM switch at a future date I still have the option of doing so.  
Seriously though, I think I will be happier with the toggle, the timer never really suited my needs as a home user as I would switch off the timer when my beans were done grinding anyway.  I have always thought that it would be nice to add a foot pedal to the grinder and having a switch seems to make more sense if I add an inline foot pedal than having a timer. 
I hope I don't wake my family up in the morning dialing in the grinder after removing the upper burr carrier in initial troubleshooting to see if a rock got jammed in the thing.  Hopefully I will be close at about +1 from burrs touching.  Don't want to waste too much of the Costa Rica Helsar from Coava, I guess if I do, I have some 3 day rested Sidamo Maduro that is just exploding with dark fruit aroma.
Thanks to all that replied and enjoy your coffee today!
-Justin
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14) From: John Borella
If you decide to add a foot pedal check out the Billy Pedal:http://www.amazon.com/MLCS-9080-Billy-Switch-Deadman/dp/B000LJNJOE/ref=sr_1_1?ieF8&qid01059480&sr=8-1 I use their Deadman style pedal to run my Compak K10 with the pedal mounted 
on it's side under the cupboard overhang. Pushing on the switch is more 
comfortable then stepping on & off which places all your weight on one foot.
John B.


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