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Topic: Rules for perfect cup of coffee - Pakistan Daily (11 msgs / 391 lines)
1) From: John Nanci
Not too far off or bad.  The only one I saw that caught my eye was this one:
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Not the temp, but that most good brewers do this.  Not in my experience.
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3) From: Janomac
I am always bemused by the expert advice not to freeze or refrigerate
coffee.
Ostensibly, this is because coffee can absorb/adsorb odors and flavors as
well as accumulate moisture; but if the beans are sealed, this is simply a
non-issue. If I know I will not consume a coffee within a given week, I
seal and freeze the surplus after is has rested the number of days at which
I wish to hold.
Amazing...all these years and I never knew it didn't work [grin].
Seriously, neither my refrigerated coffee nor my frozen coffee has ever
acquired the taste of my celery or leftover chicken.
Where do these people get these notions?...or is it they think people will
be putting open containers of roasted coffee beans in the fridge?
And then there is the question of freezing greens. Many folks on this list
over time have amply demonstrated the efficacy of vacuum sealing and rather
long-term storage of greens.
Kirk
(resident cold-storage aficinado)
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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4) From: Bryan, Compass Coffee
That is actually just a reprint of an article that ran about a month agohttp://shine.yahoo.com/breakfast/9-rules-perfect-cup-coffee-205800143.html 
Bryan Wray
Compass Coffee
Bryan
 From: Janomac 
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I am always bemused by the expert advice not to freeze or refrigerate
coffee.
Ostensibly, this is because coffee can absorb/adsorb odors and flavors as
well as accumulate moisture; but if the beans are sealed, this is simply a
non-issue. If I know I will not consume a coffee within a given week, I
seal and freeze the surplus after is has rested the number of days at which
I wish to hold.
Amazing...all these years and I never knew it didn't work [grin].
Seriously, neither my refrigerated coffee nor my frozen coffee has ever
acquired the taste of my celery or leftover chicken.
Where do these people get these notions?...or is it they think people will
be putting open containers of roasted coffee beans in the fridge?
And then there is the question of freezing greens. Many folks on this list
over time have amply demonstrated the efficacy of vacuum sealing and rather
long-term storage of greens.
Kirk
(resident cold-storage aficinado)
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5) From: Joseph Robertson
Bry,
Thanks, great articule.
I do think I might swap #1 and # 3 or combine them to stress the nature of
#3.
Joe
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6) From: Joseph Robertson
Kirk,
I'm from a generation who did not know or understand your comment,
"I am always bemused by the expert advice not to freeze or refrigerate
coffee.
Ostensibly, this is because coffee can absorb/adsorb odors and flavors as
well as accumulate moisture; but if the beans are sealed, this is simply a
non-issue. If I know I will not consume a coffee within a given week, I
seal and freeze the surplus after is has rested the number of days at which
I wish to hold."
So guess what, many of us did put open or otherwise unsealed coffee in the
fridge or freezer.
Thanks to Tom and Maria we have an open forum to learn the grade school
science of just what you described here. I now am also a,
"(resident cold-storage aficinado)"
Joseph
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Joseph Robertson
Sasquatch Coffee Roasters
Craft Coffee Roasting by Design
joe http://www.jolindas.com(360)521-3104     PO Box 451 Stevenson,Washington 98648 USA
"Security is mostly a superstition.
It does not exist in nature,
nor do the children of men
as a whole experience it."
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7) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
I think the original article was in Eating Well, and I think I 
contributed info to it (hence all the specific references to things 
we advocate, Zassenhaus, Urnex, etc).http://www.eatingwell.com/healthy_cooking/healthy_cooking_101_basics_and_techniques/tips_for_how_to_make_coffee_perfectly-- 
-Tom
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8) From: Brian Kamnetz
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9) From: Joseph Robertson
Nice......
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee <
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Joseph Robertson
Sasquatch Coffee Roasters
Craft Coffee Roasting by Design
joe http://www.jolindas.com(360)521-3104     PO Box 451 Stevenson,Washington 98648 USA
"Security is mostly a superstition.
It does not exist in nature,
nor do the children of men
as a whole experience it."
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10) From: Doug Hoople
(Scoop for scoop, finer grinds yield more flavour.)
Actually, scoop for scoop, the right grind yields BETTER flavor.
And it isn't always fine.
Coarse is better for some brewing methods (for vacpots especially, IMHO).
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11) From: Bryan, Compass Coffee
The idea of cold coffee storage can easily be compared to bread, something =
the general public is more familiar with preserving.  
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It's best to just buy your bread once a week from a local bakery. 
If that's not an option it's better to buy from a local bakery what you nee=
d to make the purchase worthwhile.  Once you make the purchase leave out =
the bread that you will use that week and freeze the rest.  Refrigerating=
 will just cause the bread to dry out faster, doing little to preserve it. =
 Once you take the bread out of the freezer you never want to return it t=
o the freezer so only take out what you will use quickly.
The worst thing you can do is to just grab a loaf of pre-sliced off of a sh=
elf in a grocery store and assume it's fresh and preservative free, using i=
t up sometime before it starts to grow mold.
If you're a DIY type of person you can just make your own bread, it's very =
simple, very easy and not very time consuming.  Depending on where you li=
ve, it can be more effort to go out every week for good bread then to just =
make bread at home.
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I probably verbalize that comparison 10 times a day at our cafes.
 
Bryan Wray
Compass Coffee
Bryan
 From: Janomac 
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this list,=
 available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html" =
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Rules for perfect cup of coffee - Pakistan Daily T=
imes
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I am always bemused by the expert advice not to freeze or refrigerate
coffee.
Ostensibly, this is because coffee can absorb/adsorb odors and flavors as
well as accumulate moisture; but if the beans are sealed, this is simply a
non-issue. If I know I will not consume a coffee within a given week, I
seal and freeze the surplus after is has rested the number of days at which
I wish to hold.
Amazing...all these years and I never knew it didn't work [grin].
Seriously, neither my refrigerated coffee nor my frozen coffee has ever
acquired the taste of my celery or leftover chicken.
Where do these people get these notions?...or is it they think people will
be putting open containers of roasted coffee beans in the fridge?
And then there is the question of freezing greens. Many folks on this list
over time have amply demonstrated the efficacy of vacuum sealing and rather
long-term storage of greens.
Kirk
(resident cold-storage aficinado)
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